Another subwoofer GTG, Southern style - Page 18

we are here- I hope.

Just got here and starting to set up.

Liveblogging the meet if anyone's on Twitter

http://twitter.com/wpmegee

Can't wait for the summary, I am jealous and would love to be part of something like this. I used to live in Marietta when I was in school.

Well, made it home. How was the huge danley beast?

Pretty cool!!!

It has huge output.

no sh!t sherlock...


































j/k. can't wait for the reviews.

First of all, thanks for hosting it Brandon, great job and great barbecue.

BIC H-100: Not impressed overall but for $249 it had some good output. Boomy and not much output below 30hz

LFM-1C: About the same output level as the BIC but much cleaner and more articulate. Didn't like some of the lower stuff - anything below around 25hz it struggled with. FWIW it hits 20hz in my room which is 17x14

Shiva-X: Very very impressed. Huge output, got deep, and clean musical bass too. Extremely nice for $450. Also, this sub had a near death experience on the THX demo (I think?), we think we hit the limits of suspension. It seemed to recover nicely after we turned down the gain a bit.

A7S-450: Comparable output to the Shiva but not as musical to me. Reasonably small box and cool looking driver.

Brandonnash's 18" eD LLT: Very nice output, massive excursion from the drivers. Nearly as musical as the Shiva-X. Louder than either the Shiva or A7S-450. Box was nearly as big as the back seat of my car - it's designed to basically sit behind a couch.

Dual Sealed 15" TC Sounds: Needs a much bigger box to really shine. Clean on music but struggled for HT

Worx sub - Most SPL so far, 123db, not much happening below 25hz here. Anyone else think it looks like a gray version of a M F W-15?

LMS 18" Sealed - this sounded a lot like the A7S-450 but even more output - impressive for the smallish box size

Enjoyed meeting everybody. Once again Brandon thank you for hosting and the BQ was excellent. Please tell your wife thank you for letting us invade your home.

Made it home last night late. The large Danley was a beast. In my opinion it was the only sub that handled the THX scene well. I have a family GTG this afternoon after church, so I will try and post my thoughts this evening.

I'm going to inline a few of the photos, all 62 are at my flickr below. Use them however you like and if you want a bigger version PM me.\\\\

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wpmegee...7616952294063/

LMS 18


Dual 15" TC Woofers:


Ivan from Danley and Brandon next to the Shiva:


Shiva:



"The ultimate weapon is the one you only have to fire... once"


Triple-X and foodages:


The Worx and Danleys - yes that's a fridge on the left


Equipment and maze of wires:

nice job on the photography. good balance of the subs, equipment, and the attendees. i take it the pics didn't come off a camera phone. ;-) very sharp.

Had a lot of fun guys, thanks to Brandon for providing the place and food and Ricci and Ivan for all their equipment and setting up. Had a really good time.


Oh ya, if anyone's heater goes out in the winter just host one of these GTGs. It literally was 15 degrees or so hotter than in any other part of the house or outside lol.

Thanks. Digital Rebel XSi with the kit lens and a 430EX Speedlite Flash. There's a lot more than what I embedded here on my Flickr if you didn't click through.

Sounds like it was a lot of fun! Thanks for sharing!


Any chance you have output #s for the H100?



Thanks!


Jason

I would personally like to thank Branndon for hosting. The BBQ and beans were GREAT.

I liked the idea of just having food out so that people could grab and go and not really miss anything. There was no downtime for a "meal".

I would also really like to thank Ricci for helping me interface with all of the "stuff" and workin late Fri night (actually into Sat morning) to get it all wired up and working so that we could just "plow through" the subs without issues.

Thanks also to everybody that showed up and either brought their subs and those who didn't.

We had a good crowd and as far as I could tell, a good time was had by all! I know it was very enlighting for me.

We took two very different sets of measurements and it will take a little bit to put them together in a fashion that would make sense.

On the measurement side- it was a GREAT example of what measurements can and can't tell you about how a sub interacts inside a room-especially a small room (as opposed to a theatre or arena size room).

When the measurements come up, people will see HUGE differences in them, and also very similar (in some regards) results. It all goes to show how important position is.

Sounds like y'all had a nice time with well set up get together.

When people make comments about the Danley, I assume they're referring to the TH-SPUD shown in one or two pictures?

Keith

No, they would be talking about the TH50-the last thing in the lineup.

The listening tests were stopped when stuff started "falling".

I can't wait to see/hear the video.

I did bring a pair of SPUDS, but due to physical space limitations where we would be putting the loudspeakers. only 1 would fit (without moving more stuff around), so that is all I brought into the room

I believe max SPL was around 108db. Extension was probably around 25hz (guess)

Just getting on the road. Rested and ready.

Thanks Brandon. We all had a nice time. Food was great. If you see any more of the speakers you got on sale-buy them- buy them all. You could make a killing reselling them. Who am I to talk about selling, I can't bare to part with anything. Anyhow, I had a great time.

Thanks,

Robert

How was the Danley CS30?

Thanks, looking forward to it.

Sorry I'm late in posting. I just got done unloading equipment and catching up on some things at the house. It was great to meet everyone.

Mad props go to Brandon for hosting this monstrous undertaking and allowing all of the equipment to be jammed into his house. The BBQ was as good as the hosting.

A lot of thanks go to Ivan who brought a lot of knowledge, some mean subs and really helped this thing run smoothly. It wouldn't have been the same without his expertise on hand. We spent about 3-4hrs Friday night getting the "plan" together. I think between using what he had on hand with what I had there, we came up with a pretty solid procedure.

I'd call this thing a success. We got through all 12 subs, nothing got destroyed, we only ran about an hour and a half behind schedule and we had a decent amount of organization. Everybody got their equipment wrapped up and out of Brandon's home by roughly 10pm. I almost can't believe it.

Thanks to everyone else who came out and brought their gear as well. (Robert you are a madman.!)

I'll post up the measurements that I took and my thoughts on each sub later on in a much more detailed post. I'll also post up the order in which we ran the subs, the 2 channel track listing and the movie track listing as well. Hopefully I can do it tonight.

I guess I'll post my impressions of the subs we listened to. Everything was crossed over at 100hz and everything was ran about as loud as it could handle. I was probably the least technical guy there so I'll just post my impressions. This is the order of the subs we listened to as well.

After the first couple of subs we opened up the window because it was getting warm, so the room couldn't really be pressurized so I may of not gotten as much out of the low notes as I should have. You can kind of read my opinion on that on my Worx review.

Bic H100- This is my sub and at the $250 point I enjoy it. It was the cheapest out of all the subs, so it can't do the stuff that the other subs can, but it doesn't try to and distort the sound either. I'll let other people comment more about it since I've probably got some bias.

Outlaw LFM-1C - I thought this was definately a more musical sub than the Bic. It had a pretty good sound to it on the music, but when we switched to movies I prefered the Bic.

ED A7S-450 - Big step up in output from the first 2 subs. Did highs pretty well. Kind of overpowered the mains so it may of sounded a little muddy. (We ran the first few subs about 10 or more hot so thats the reason). I thought it did pretty good in the output department.
(both the A7S & Shiva are mjgs)
Shiva- For the price point it was probably my favorite sub of the day. It had less output than the A7S-450, but the SQ seemed a little better. It does seem to go lower than the 450.

TC Epics- They had a large amount of output to them, but couldn't go very low.

ED 1902 - Pretty good output to it. Tuned to 15hz so it was the first sub to actually be able to rattle the doors a bit. For Brandon's application directly behind his seat it probably would shake things up a bit. A couple of times I thought it started smoking, Brandon said there was some sawdust still in it and when we hit a couple of low notes it made the saw dust fly out. It was pretty cool to watch.

LMS 5400- This is the sub that I basically came to listen to. I was expecting a lot from it and it didn't dissapoint. I could feel this sub the most out of everything we listened to. My impression was...this is what a sub should sound like. I wish I could afford about 4-5 of them in my home .

XXX- Similar in sound to the LMS. Does need a bigger enclosure though per Ricci, so that has to be accounted for in WAF as the LMS is in a rather small encloser comparatively. It could go down lower than the LMS, but I couldn't feel it as much in my chest. Very nice sub though.

Worx- Pretty cool sub. It could only go to around 25hz or so. To be honest before the meet I thought I needed a sub that could go down to 10hz or something crazy in order to get everything. I seemed to enjoy things the most in the 20 to high 30 hz range the most though because thats what I could feel. It made me realize I could be very happy with a sub that could only go down to 20hz or around there. Lot of output, not the prettiest sub in the world, but I wish I could have a few in my home.

Danley- I didn't write down the model #s so I may get them confused so forgive me if I do. The first one was the smallest I believe the CS30. I've never heard a horn sub before and it definately has a different sound. The CS30 had some crazy output in the mids and rocked, but I felt the highs weren't at the same level as the mids that it did.

THSPUD- It is designed for you to sit your cough on it and go from there and since it was stood up on its side we were listening to it at something other than its intended purpose so you have to take that into account. Sounded good, but I couldn't feel anything from it...until I moved up within 5 feet of the sub. Once I did that I could feel my pants vibrating. I put my head down by the port and I could feel the sound pushing on my head, it was a cool sensation, but I couldn't handle it for too long.

Unfortunately I had to leave before the Danley 50 was done so I can't comment on it. It was a 4 hour drive and I didn't get home until a little after midnight.

Feel free to ask any questions about what I wrote.

vili, thanks for the write up. were there any scenes/music where various subs particularly impressed you either positively or negatively? did you hear any port chuffing on the ported subs?

I honestly don't do a lot of music listening at home, but found it much easier to judge a sub based on it's music listening than the HT aspect. I could tell some differences in the movie scenes, but they were much more apparent when listening to music. I honestly think what I am looking for in a sub now is the feeling of the sub. I want to be able to feel that it is there. When Ricci posts his list, my favorite to listen to was track 5, I could easily tell a difference in all the subs on that track. I believe he said it was kind of a spinoff of Bach. I'll let him post the actual name.

The Shiva is a substantial improvement in output and it sounds great, but I didn't really get the presence of a sub until we went to the LMS. I honestly think for when I upgrade subs I will need to get a sub that will envelop me so to speak and I can feel it in my chest and not just hear it. I could feel nearly every note of the LMS and thats what I loved about it. The XXX did it as well, but not quite near as much although it hit lower notes.

To be honest I'm not sure what port chuffing sounds like, but I didn't notice any abnormal sounds from any of the subs. We were driving the subs really to the highest point that they could take and the THX scene on the first track of the movie disk made a few of the subs make some strange sounds/noises, but it was beyond what normal listening levels of the subs would of been so its not really fair to say they didn't do good.

Here are my impressions.

1. Bic H100. I was very impressed with this little guy. It well surpassed my initial expectations. At the price point, I think you would have to either find or steal the parts in order to beat the price and build it yourself. Bang for the buck is phenomenal. Very articulate, nice SPL 111 max reading, lack of mid bass punch, Ran out of juice on the subsonic frequencies, better at the hearing parts and struggled on the feeling tracks. Best bang for buck of the store bought equipment.

2. LFM-1 compact. More musically oriented. Beautiful build quality. Easily the prettiest of the bunch.It topped out at 108, but it is only a 10" driver. For music, it performed smoothly with a little flutter from the driver in the most bass heavy tracks and lacked impact in the demanding tracks, but details were nice. The room we we in was rather large for the smaller cabs, and I would love to have one of these in a very small room and see what it could do. Nice little sub and it does what it was designed to do very well.

3. ED A7S-450. A big step up in pressure 114.7, but also, a big step up in price and size. Not musically oriented at all for me. The first 2 subs were very integrated in the system, but this one stood out and was not as articulate. It was a brute and made it's point. It was a little muddy, but had a lot of oomph-almost too much. I noticed, and it may be just me, that it had some cab resonances because I was up close. I wanted to get a good feeling for the cabinets and how they reacted to the "torture". Good volume overall and for the price a real SPL beast.

My battery is going, more later

Silly question but, was all of the demo material played with all the speakers involved or some with only the subs?

Also, was Bosso sub there and was anything from AE there?

Thanks, James