Windows 7 will not support Blu-ray playback - Page 2

Blu Ray has such a small percentage of sales versus DVD's that it would be stupid for MS to spend money so that a very small niche market could play their blu rays inside of MC. Thats what blu ray players and TMT/PDVD/WinDVD are for.

Yeah and look how many problems people are having with them. Some new discs just won't work.

It depends who you ask. I have always been able to play all the blu-ray new releases that come every tuesday....going back to when I installed PowerDVD 8. Actually, I dont even think about it... just put the disc in and watch the movie.

I'm using PowerDVD 8 Ultra with patch 2217-50 + a current version of AnyDVD. However, I agree, there are certainly a good share of people who have issues from time to time on some discs. I have no idea why it doesnt work for them; but works for me.

I was really hoping Microsoft would include BD playback support in Win 7. The industry really needs a heavy player like Microsoft to come in and provide BD playback that works for every disc. The 3rd party apps are very crude and only work for some BDs.

The incentive for Microsoft is that they'd have a big selling point for Win 7.

And for the current 3rd party apps, they'll have to raise their game and do better than MS, or get out of the way.

Has Microsoft committed to at least making sure that the Blu-Ray experience in Windows 7 is better than in MCE2005 or VMC? I really don't mind using a 3rd party application, it's just the lack of an integrated interface that drives me batty.

You're using AnyDVD HD for your flawless playback. Not everyone wants to resort to using such apps that circumvent copy protection just to watch the disc.

It's a sad but true fact that the industry wants to make playing a simple movie so difficult at times. With the prices of hard drives the way they are right now, Microsoft could stand to make money by allowing a fully integrated interface for bluray which allows users to copy their movies to hard drives for easier playback, possibly even supporting multi-room configurations similar to Kalaidescape.

If the industry would wake up and see that people are STILL pirating the movies even before they are available on disc and open up the format, we'd have a lot more innovation in this market. With a partner like Microsoft, we could even see affordable whole-house entertainment systems that are functional and easy for the average user to set up.

Is that really Microsoft's responsibility? If they have released the details and put in the necessary interlinks to allow other apps to integrate into MCE I don't really see it as Microsoft's fault that other vendors are ****. And given that PowerDVD 9 is able to integrate http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/03/02...-ui-goes-live/ (not sure how well) it seems to me it's more likely to be the other vendors fault...

remember the whole antitrust suit a few years back, why do you think they don't bundle software anymore?

microsoft would put software companies out of business if they made all that software.

Meh. I could care less. I set up my library of ripped ISOs with OML, One click and it mounts with Virtual Clone, opens and plays in PowerDVD. What I *really* want is for PowerDVD to work more smoothly.

I do not use AnyDVD HD to play back a disc, I only use it to backup the disc to my hard drive.

The only time I have had problems with the new discs is when the BD-Live servers could not handle the load (Iron Man anyone?). I had a great fix for that, I blocked the BD-Live communications from my PC and it went away - I could play the discs.

Maybe Arcsoft TMT is just ahead of the curve, which is why I do not have the problems others have had. Don't know.

There is a now long running thread on Windows 7 Beta. Perhaps this discussion should stay there. Helps to consilidate these things for future reference.

Also, It is still in BETA form. Once the actual retail version is release, my guess is the big 3 BD software players will have plugin available. Just give it time.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...291&highlight=

That's what people said about vista.

I don't expect much honestly.

The new slysoft player is intriguing, can't wait to see how it turns out.

I have been using Windows 7 Beta build 7000 for nearly 2 months now. It is so much faster and works wonderfully. BD isn't going to be added in natively because MS doesn't want it. But plugins will be available.

It's not because they don't want it.
It is because they would have to pay a license fee for every copy of Win7 sold even if the purchaser does not even have a BR drive.

It's a rumor. The Slysoft forums proved so. They have considered the idea but have not done any work on it... so even if it does happen, it's gonna be a while.
Smitty

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=28240

sounds more like a certainty to me, but it's definitely well off into the future.

By plugin do you mean for MCE (or VMC or whatever it's called)? If so what's wrong with the PowerDVD 9 one?

All this talk about Windows 7 not support bluray is kinda mind boggling me. MS was very bitter about the whole Bluray HD DVD fiasco. They use licensing as an excuse.

As it is now, it can decode both VC-1 and HDAVC. There are already plugins that handle DTS-MA and MKV.

So what is the problem here? If you are going to load a rip, just convert it to MKV.... or strip it to a single M2TS file and hack it to play in windows.

If you play from disk as I do, just set it to autoplay with your desired app and it will auto launch when the BD is inserted. Windows 7 does recognize BD Roms.

So Windows 7 DOES support bluray... just not bluray movies. I just don't see how people are getting so worked up over this.

Windows XP (which launched in 2001) didn't natively support DVD even though it came out in 1998. It would follow logic that this may not support BD natively (as it will be 3 years after BDs launch). It wasn't until much later that DVD support was added through plugins.

Atleast you can play BDs on it. Can't say the same about its competitor Apple.

I getting the feeling reading some of these posts are just jumping on to bash an OS that they haven't even tried yet. My apologies to those that have.

I can only talk of my own experience here in play several BDs every week using WinDVD 9 for 2 months now in Windows 7. I personally prefer WinDVD 9 anyway with BD support as it adds in many of the video features present in FFDShow including a very good denoising filter. Their All2HD system is pretty impressive.

As others have stated, it's unlikely the licensing issue is an excuse (it will cost a fair bit of money). Also as others have stated, MS executives are doing are very poor job if they're letting their bitterness get in the way. Far more likely, even more so since MS hardly invested as much as HD-DVD as Sony did BluRay they're annoyed but there's no chance in hell they're going to let that damage their business. But BluRay support is simply not an attractive proposition yet. If they are trying to harm BluRay it's not primarily because they're bitter but because they'd much rather see something else succeed (e.g. online downloads from MS)

Awesome. Very, very, awesome.
Now, if only the release could coincide with Win7's release
Wishful thinking...

This is a complete non-issue. If you buy a computer with a blu-ray drive it will play them. If you build your own system you will have to buy the software of your choice for playback.

The fact that the function is not in Media center has to do complety with the fact that the 3rd party software makers haven't yet made their apps intergrate to that interface.

DVD's play because of the mpeg2 licence so that Atsc broadcasts can be decoded and played.

dvd playback has never been microsoft's burden to provide playback for. OEM's have allways had to include some type of software to handle that.

It has absolutely nothing to do with microsoft being a HD-DVD backer, Apple is a Blu-ray backer and thay have never had blu-ray drives.

This will only affect people who build their own machines since they have to buy a playback software of anydvd. It was the same for dvd.

What's next are people going to complain that they have to buy office because windows7 cannot open a excel spreadsheet natively? To argue this point is somewhat ridiculous.

UNBELIEVABLE, I cannot believe that some people in the "HTPC forum" do NOT want blu-ray disc playback nicely integrated in Windows 7 media center and at the same time JUSTIFY a corporative decision that clearly harm them.

These HTPC aficionados actually prefer "to fight" with third party software... UNBELIEVABLE.

Then you will really flip when you find out that a LOT of people in the HTPC forum don't even use Media Center but actually prefer "to fight" (as you put it) with third party software for ALL their HTPC needs and only use Windows for the OS.

I personally don't care to pay the additional premium for the OS because of even more liscensing fees for something I'll never use. If I could purchase a copy of Windows with everything except Media Center, I would love it.

The Corp that is attacking others is Sony not Microsoft. If you have an Xbox and add Netflix streaming to it Sony movies can’t be streamed to the Xbox. They can be streamed to any other Netflix box but the Xbox.

If Microsoft bundled a Blu player into Win7 that would mostly kill Windvd and TMT and have Microsoft in court for another 2 years like for before in the IE crisis.

TMT has a very nice VMC plug-in and will have the same with Win7. Most people use Klite codec and MP Classic or VLC etc to play media because WMP is very limited.

It would be great if Win7 did everything we wanted but then everyone including the government would be crying foul. So we must continue to have many different programs that just partly work instead of 1 that just works.

Now we have a stand alone player and a cable box and a receiver and an HTPC and an Xbox or ps3. Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to just have 1 pc instead and everything worked? Everybody wants a large piece of your ass and will never let you have 1 piece of equipment to do all. Everything including you receiver has a boot time now because they are all just PC's but you have to have 3 or 4 or 7 etc... Sorry for the rant but it just pisses me off that we cant have it all in 1. It can be done but it will never be done.

I think its shockingly absurd to not advocate playback of what will be a popular and commonplace media ideal for computer screens by the time Windows 7 is released officially next year. Windows Media Player has had DVD capability for a long time now. Its insanely difficult and expensive trying third party software. This isn't some new novel format any more. An OS that features a Mediacenter released in 2010 had better damned well play Blu Ray. It was the first feature I requested they work on when I got the Beta.

I'd hate to have an all in one device cause then the day something breaks...EVERYTHING is down!

If MS included everything HTPC related in W7 and it worked...
you guys would need another hobby.

This in bold I think is dumb. Native support would only help WinDVD and others of its kind work better and easier and make them more compatible. All Microsoft has to do is provide the same playback capability it has for DVD. Windows media player DVD capability has not caused a lawsuit and it has not killed WinDVD or Cyberlink or TMT. These other companies are offering other perks like up scaling and something resembling 120hz dejuddering, attractive interfaces with cataloging, social networking, reviews, image enhancements etc. TMT has a whole suite of products already in existence that could be competitive enhancements to TMT.

Microsoft was sued by Netscape, not for just including a browser but for a laundry list of anticompetitive practices which included contracting agreements with vendors not allowing Netscape to be preinstalled in Windows based OEM computers. Accusations were leveled that Microsoft was engineering Windows to cause the Netscape browser to be buggy and to fail. And not providing access to necessary information about incremental changes in the OS that would allow the product to be competitive.

Mine would be watching movies.

Quoted for truth.