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post #3181 of 9976
I just looked at a 50" G10 on display at the local BB. It was playing a blu-ray loop. Remembering the comments about text reflections, my wife and I deliberately searched for reflections.

We both could see reflections only when:
a) we stood at least 45 degrees or more off-center, and
b) there was white text displayed on a black background

I was surprised how obvious it was when I did see it. However, I do have to stress that I could NOT detect any reflections when a movie was displayed.
post #3182 of 9976
You mean like double text? Heh I haven't notice but I see it on my Toshiba DLP if I am looking down at 2 feet away...
post #3183 of 9976
i got my 42G10 on friday and i have been playing around with the settings to see what i like.
But my HD content doesn't look crisp at all? i managed to get the time warner cable dvr to output 1080i. My connection is CABLE > DVR >HDMI>G10 yet the HD broadcasts still look like SD can anyone please help me? My HD channels just look blurry
thanks a lot!!!
post #3184 of 9976
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktwenebo View Post

i got my 42G10 on friday and i have been playing around with the settings to see what i like.
But my HD content doesn't look crisp at all? i managed to get the time warner cable dvr to output 1080i. My connection is CABLE > DVR >HDMI>G10 yet the HD broadcasts still look like SD can anyone please help me? My HD channels just look blurry
thanks a lot!!!

what does it look like when you take out the DVR?
post #3185 of 9976
Can you connect this TV set to a Linksys router or PC (for example) and watch MKV, avi files, etc.?
post #3186 of 9976
When watching non HD content on TV should I fill up the whole screen(use just mode) or no . As when watching non hd channels I see black bars on the side of the picture.

Whats the best way to clean the fingerprints on the tv ??
post #3187 of 9976
I've had my 50" for a couple of days now, and have a couple of questions (probably very simple).

First, I'm wondering whether I should bother trying to make a wireless connection to the internet. My cable modem is a bit far to make a direct connection. What kind of equipment do I need to connect to my wireless router? The same kind of adapter that connects to a desktop?

Second, my son plans to connect an xbox and/or wii. If I limit his game-playing to an hour or two at the start (offset by many more hours of viewing HD tv), is there any significant risk of burn-in? (Last time I researched this general issue I had the impression that burn-in was not much of an issue with plasmas anymore, but I'm not sure if that was based on game playing as well as TV viewing.)

Third, am I correct in understanding that, once he connects the game(s) physically, the TV will automatically put him in "game" mode (i.e., as opposed to custom, standard, etc)? Or do we have to go through any kind of setup procedure? If a setup is required, is it true that the unit will automatically remember the proper setting whenever the game(s) is played?
post #3188 of 9976
If you already have a wireless router setup, you can get a wireless bridge, something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833124015

If you have another wireless router around, there's a chance you could turn that into a bridge as well by using "Wireless Client mode" or something to it... Depending on brand. You hook up the PC to router alone and set it up so it'll connect to your main wireless router. Then you plug your TV in port one.
post #3189 of 9976
post #3190 of 9976
You could also run a Linksys WRT54G[L] (~$60 at Newegg) with DD-WRT firmware (free). The $35 extender is the cheapest option if that's all you will ever need, though.
post #3191 of 9976
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Originally Posted by broketoo View Post

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833180035

Should work good as well. Cheap.

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Originally Posted by kevm14 View Post

You could also run a Linksys WRT54G[L] (~$60 at Newegg) with DD-WRT firmware (free). The $35 extender is the cheapest option if that's all you will ever need, though.

Thanks: one more stupid question:

Do these types of products require any kind of software installation, or is simply a matter of plugging them into the Panny? Is the process easy for someone (like me) who is NOT very computer-savvy?
post #3192 of 9976
You'd need to hook the extender to your PC first and configure it so it'll connect to your wireless router. Then it's all plug and play after that.

EDIT: And as for WRT54GL with DD-WRT (I have that as well) you'd need to flash the firmware to it then go to configuration page and make it a "Client Bridge".
post #3193 of 9976
It's a shame Panny didn't include a USB port for wireless connectivity.....so you could use one of the cheap dongles like this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833166022

Oh well, my next little project is going to be a HTPC , Universal Remote, and then finally a new AVR to replace my 3 yr. old Panny xr55.

Noticed that the 50G10 is #4 in Amazon TV's - Best Sellers

1. 52B750
2. 32B460
3. 46B750
4. 50G10

The 42G10 is 7 and the 42X1 is 12! woohoo...go Panny PDP's!!!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...rsr_e_1_3_last

I'm fearfull that the 50G10 is going to make my fat/fatter...lol. Is it me or does The Food Network have some of the most stunning HD programming ever?...practically everything is in 1080/5.1 even the adverts... I find myself transfixed with TFN and I've been watching it a lot since getting the 50G10 about a week ago....and it's makes me hungry all the time!!
post #3194 of 9976
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowjack View Post

I just looked at a 50" G10 on display at the local BB. It was playing a blu-ray loop. Remembering the comments about text reflections, my wife and I deliberately searched for reflections.

We both could see reflections only when:
a) we stood at least 45 degrees or more off-center, and
b) there was white text displayed on a black background

I was surprised how obvious it was when I did see it. However, I do have to stress that I could NOT detect any reflections when a movie was displayed.

That has been my experience for the past 4 years with my Plasmas. The internal reflection thing is being overblown by some people here when in fact it's only visible when text is displayed over a highly contrasting solid backround and you're viewing from an extreme angle at closer distances. It's more noticeable with white over black or black over white, and less noticeable when the backround is a lighter color like orange or purple or green behind the white text (yeah i've checked it a billion times). But throughout all this, it is simply not noticeable when just watching movies or TV programs.
post #3195 of 9976
Got the 50g10 on friday, have run the break in slides about 20 hours and have watched 2 full screen movies...LOVE the TV.

I'm a 'former' LCD-man, coming off of the purchase of a defective (terribly clouding) ln46a850 last month....Got this in time as a replacement after a horrible service job, and could not be happier.
post #3196 of 9976
Has anyone compared a 42PG10 with last year's 42PZ85u? Any significant viewing qualities? A friend is selling his used PZ85u.

Thanks.
post #3197 of 9976
How would I find a compatible wall mount for the TC-P54G10?
I found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/PANASONIC-TC-P54...QQcmdZViewItem, which, obviously must be compatible, but was wondering if there are any better deals available.
post #3198 of 9976
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

That has been my experience for the past 4 years with my Plasmas. The internal reflection thing is being overblown by some people here when in fact it's only visible when text is displayed over a highly contrasting solid backround and you're viewing from an extreme angle at closer distances. It's more noticeable with white over black or black over white, and less noticeable when the backround is a lighter color like orange or purple or green behind the white text (yeah i've checked it a billion times). But throughout all this, it is simply not noticeable when just watching movies or TV programs.

I agree. This "issue" is a NON-ISSUE, unless, of course you plan on watching white text, over a black background, with the contrast cranked up, at extreme angles. If that is the case for you, then this is not the TV for you. If, on the other hand, you plan on watching HD movies and want AWSOME picture quality, go with the G10. BTW I do NOT find THX mode too dim!

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post #3199 of 9976
Finally decided to buy the P50G10 after about a month of thinking about it, couldn't be happier so far. Sooo much better than my 3 1/2 year old Vizio LCD. Got a FANTASTIC deal on this from a local shop and just couldn't pass it up. So far have it on Standard Mode with Cool2 picture. Obvious tweaking yet to come. I do have a small issue that I will post about in separate thread, not a Panasonic thing I don't think though. Watching the Stanley Cup right now and it's so much better in every way than my other TV. Better colors, blacks, motion....you name it.
post #3200 of 9976
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post #3201 of 9976
Got my Panny 54G10 today delivered by Sears. The price was the best I could find with free delivery (after rebate) and 3 years no interest financing to boot. The delivery was on time and the guys who brought it also put the stand on before they left.

This is my first flat-screen. I gave my Mitsubishi 48 inch projection TV (6 years old) to a friend.

I am running the break-in slides w D-Nice's settings. I did watch a few hours of Comcast cable TV and some of the BD version of the Dark Knight and SD-DVD of Gladiator (watched on new Panny BD60K player). Here are my observations:

1. No buzz. If I put my head behind the TV there is a very slight buzz at times but nothing audible from the front.

2. No stuck pixels or phosphor trails noted.

3. I really like the look of the TV. It seems solid and well-built. I debated going with the V10 but the looks and 96HZ were not worth it for me.

4. Sound from the TV's speakers is not bad - better than I thought it would be after reading this forum. I am running a 5.1 system for the BD player though.

5. SD broadcasts do not look bad. Again, better than I thought based on reading this forum.

6. HD broadcasts look really nice and, as others have noted, there is a real difference depending on the channel. Really good HD broadcasts look REALLY GOOD.

7. SD DVDs look almost as good as BD! The Panny does a great job upconverting - I was surprised at how good they look.

8. BD is AMAZING! The quality is 10 of 10 to my eyes. Wow, wow, wow....

9. I am using "custom" for my viewing and some of the settings discussed in this forum. THX is just what others have said although not as dim as I expected.

10. Black level looks very good and so do colors. I looked at last year's 800 and 850 Panny's and the 54G10 seemed to have slightly better black levels and was a little brighter.

11. The remote is ok although just the volume and channel buttons light up.

12. The TV gets hot running the break-in slides in vivid mode. I could feel the extra heat in the room and coming off the TV. Custom mode generates less heat.

13. The screen reflects more light than the Pioneer's but a bit less than the Sammys I looked at. Regardless, it's a lot better in that regard than the 48 inch Mitsubishi projection TV it replaced.


A few final comments which may be helpful for those debating the purchase of this TV versus others:

Other TVs I looked at were Pioneer 5020s and FD111s and Sammy B series 560 and 650 plasmas and the 7000 series Sammy LCD. The Pioneers were all that's been said on AVS. I did not like the whites though ("dirty"), plus a lot of complaints about buzzing made me nervous and so did the fact that Pioneer was going out of TV business. I also got the 54G10 for less than the 5020 was on sale for before at Best Buy. I loved the 111 but I wanted something bigger and the money I saved on the 54G10 paid for a lot of extras. To be honest, even with the "whites" issues, the 111 was the nicest TV I saw next to the 54G10.

The Sammys surprised me, even the LCD. They were all very good in the picture department. Great colors and adustability but with blacks a bit lighter that the Pannys. I know this is very subjective, but I just did not like the look of the Sammys. The stands and clear plastic around the edges of the bezel looked cheap to me and their build quality (seams and materials) was below the Panny. Finally, I was somewhat concerned about the plasma models' IR, buzzing (seems to be an issues based on reading the Sammy forums) and overall quality. However, I have other Sammy products and their quality has been excellent. So, I think the Sammys could give the Panny a run for the money and they certainly seem to have come a long way from last year's sets. As for the LCD, I really liked it but the picture quality did drop off a bit (not as much as I thought it would) at angles and the cost was way too high.

To conclude, I am very happy with the 54G10. I appreciate all the information on AVS that helped guide me to this purchase and look forward to learning more.
post #3202 of 9976
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadking1962 View Post

Got my Panny 54G10 today delivered by Sears. The price was the best I could find with free delivery (after rebate) and 3 years no interest financing to boot. The delivery was on time and the guys who brought it also put the stand on before they left.

This is my first flat-screen. I gave my Mitsubishi 48 inch projection TV (6 years old) to a friend.

I am running the break-in slides w D-Nice's settings. I did watch a few hours of Comcast cable TV and some of the BD version of the Dark Knight and SD-DVD of Gladiator (watched on new Panny BD60K player). Here are my observations:

1. No buzz. If I put my head behind the TV there is a very slight buzz at times but nothing audible from the front.

2. No stuck pixels or phosphor trails noted.

3. I really like the look of the TV. It seems solid and well-built. I debated going with the V10 but the looks and 96HZ were not worth it for me.

4. Sound from the TV's speakers is not bad - better than I thought it would be after reading this forum. I am running a 5.1 system for the BD player though.

5. SD broadcasts do not look bad. Again, better than I thought based on reading this forum.

6. HD broadcasts look really nice and, as others have noted, there is a real difference depending on the channel. Really good HD broadcasts look REALLY GOOD.

7. SD DVDs look almost as good as BD! The Panny does a great job upconverting - I was surprised at how good they look.

8. BD is AMAZING! The quality is 10 of 10 to my eyes. Wow, wow, wow....

9. I am using "custom" for my viewing and some of the settings discussed in this forum. THX is just what others have said although not as dim as I expected.

10. Black level looks very good and so do colors. I looked at last year's 800 and 850 Panny's and the 54G10 seemed to have slightly better black levels and was a little brighter.

11. The remote is ok although just the volume and channel buttons light up.

12. The TV gets hot running the break-in slides in vivid mode. I could feel the extra heat in the room and coming off the TV. Custom mode generates less heat.

13. The screen reflects more light than the Pioneer's but a bit less than the Sammys I looked at. Regardless, it's a lot better in that regard than the 48 inch Mitsubishi projection TV it replaced.


A few final comments which may be helpful for those debating the purchase of this TV versus others:

Other TVs I looked at were Pioneer 5020s and FD111s and Sammy B series 560 and 650 plasmas and the 7000 series Sammy LCD. The Pioneers were all that's been said on AVS. I did not like the whites though ("dirty"), plus a lot of complaints about buzzing made me nervous and so did the fact that Pioneer was going out of TV business. I also got the 54G10 for less than the 5020 was on sale for before at Best Buy. I loved the 111 but I wanted something bigger and the money I saved on the 54G10 paid for a lot of extras. To be honest, even with the "whites" issues, the 111 was the nicest TV I saw next to the 54G10.

The Sammys surprised me, even the LCD. They were all very good in the picture department. Great colors and adustability but with blacks a bit lighter that the Pannys. I know this is very subjective, but I just did not like the look of the Sammys. The stands and clear plastic around the edges of the bezel looked cheap to me and their build quality (seams and materials) was below the Panny. Finally, I was somewhat concerned about the plasma models' IR, buzzing (seems to be an issues based on reading the Sammy forums) and overall quality. However, I have other Sammy products and their quality has been excellent. So, I think the Sammys could give the Panny a run for the money and they certainly seem to have come a long way from last year's sets. As for the LCD, I really liked it but the picture quality did drop off a bit (not as much as I thought it would) at angles and the cost was way too high.

To conclude, I am very happy with the 54G10. I appreciate all the information on AVS that helped guide me to this purchase and look forward to learning more.

Thanks for great feedback. Your post is pushing me towards the 54G10. I am debating between this and the 50V10 but I want the extra 4 inches and I don't think I'll die without 96Hz playback. I'm coming from a pioneer pro 111 which is the best television I've seen to date. I had to return it due to possibly being laid off. Now I'm at a $2000 max budget and I think the 54G10 will fit the bill. I know its not a pioneer but from the reviews I've seen they aren't far away. As long as they are not sitting side by side I don't think I'll notice a big difference. Once again thanks for the input.
post #3203 of 9976
Great post. I plan on writing a review when the break in is finished. So far, my 42" is great! I only wish I had room for a 50" because the V10 is going to look great at 96 hz. I'd like to add at this time that blu-ray even at 48hz looks wonderful! It only flickers when the picture is bright, but little judder. If blu-ray is a major part of your purchase, I would most def. wait on V10. If only the V10 were in 42".......
post #3204 of 9976
Quote:
Originally Posted by motospark View Post

I had the same problem, just go into the ATI control panel and enable overscan and set it to 0, you will now have the full screen, I was pulling my hair out trying to fix this. I'm using the LG blu-ray ROM and Power DVD and your right it looks sweet.

And what you see is called phosphor lag, and is normal for plasma sets, most of the time I don't even notice it. I would rather live with that than purchase an LCD that has more motion blur.

Yep. Overscan was set to 15% in the ATI control panel forcing me to stretch out the picture making it blurry. Set it to 0 and the PC is now as sharp as I've ever seen it. Thanks
post #3205 of 9976
Quote:
Originally Posted by fastrandstrongr1 View Post

what does it look like when you take out the DVR?

Without the DVR the digital channels looks great, very crisp images. However with the DVR i feel the HD channels could look better. Is it the feed and not the TV?
post #3206 of 9976
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I don't know what "hdtv, and the appropriate input signal" means (your 8300HD obviously has different software than my 8300HD with Passport) but if there's an output format setting for 1080i Fixed or some other way to force the box to output everything at 1080i then try that. When i force my 8300HD (and Tivo S3) to output all the HD channels at 1080i the image is crisp and more detailed on all my various HD TVs.

It could also be that your particular cable franchise is choking back the HD signal to gain more bandwidth and make room for other useless channels and if so then there's not much you can do about it because the source is not up to snuff.

Can you connect the TV to an over the air Antenna and check how the local HD channels look compared to their cable counterparts?


Thanks Randy for your help, i changed the DVR to only output 1080i but the image has a slight graininess to it. The image that comes from the OTA is very crisp.
maybe Time Warner is choking back on the HD signal like you stated
post #3207 of 9976
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktwenebo View Post

Thanks Randy for your help, i changed the DVR to only output 1080i but the image has a slight graininess to it. The image that comes from the OTA is very crisp.
maybe Time Warner is choking back on the HD signal like you stated

There are times the HD channels looks like crap, Alittle blurries, tons of grainness. And there are times, it looks SHARP and CLEAR as hell like Super Bowl.

I wish everyone get HDTV so we can free up all those analog/SD channels for better HD contents.

Also, I've notice when I watch a NFL game on Fox then switch over to NBC for other game, I could tell huge difference in clarity/crispness on my 65inch DLP.
post #3208 of 9976
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Originally Posted by BradleyAV8R View Post

I picked up my 54G10 from Sears the other day. I am very pleased though I had to make them re-run the purchase because the 36 month 0% finance didn't just "happen" like it does with my Home Depot card. Classic Sears. The size was the right balance for my space 16' - 24' room with seating distances of 7 - 12 feet and budget of less than 2K. I like it's uniform 2" form factor which feels slim to me though I know they can be half that size. Of course my TV is at the far end of the room from the entry so not a lot of down the wall sight lines. Overall, I like THX mode the most right now even with 6 windows in the room (East and North facing on North side of house) though I am trying the different temperatures looking for the skin tone that feels best, currently Warm 1. I am running the break in slides around some day time viewing so I don't want to make to strong a statement about yellowish tints in THX until the break-in period is done and I work with the setting but I can see what people are talking about. I also haven't tried a lot of custom settings for the same reason but I anticipate optimizing a daytime setting in Custom. The THX mode has been bright enough for me in daytime though it may not be the best the set is capable of producing for daytime environments.

I have been playing with the Vierra Cast and it is responsive and I like it for the easy weather and the YouTube may prove a diversion. I tried the Amazon service last night with the HD version of the 2nd of the 3 part Battlestar Galactica finale. I have fairly good DSL connection and the show streamed very well without glitches and only about an original 30 sec sync time. Very impressive but interestingly the THX mode was unavailable with a Cinema mode replacing it (firmware glitch?) so I found myself hunting the modes for the picture I wanted because I haven't calibrated Custom or Standard yet. Also I couldn't pull up the information button to see what resolution I was actually getting. Qwirky but I will get some use out of it depending on how their pricing goes. Right now Movies seems a bit high for the time you get the rental but I think on TV shows they actually add them to your library as a purchase so the prices seem reasonable.

Finally got my 54G10 up and running yesterday afternoon. (I had a lot of cleaning and moving things around to do, plus putting together a TechCraft glass stand that I had bought months ago in anticipation of this momentus event. The frame of the stand is piano black, so it looks like it was made for this TV).

I knew the default settings would be bad, so I used those posted by CRChef(?), either referenced earlier on this thread or on the break-in thread:

Contrast: +65
Brightness: +50
Color: +38
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +25
Color Temp: Warm 2 (Like Bradley I actually opted for Warm 1)
Everything else pretty much off, Video NR: Weak, Black Level: Light


Beautiful PQ. My son and I watched Kung Fu Panda in HD via cableTV (1080i). Those animated films always look great. Finished watching the Braves game, also in HD, and a couple of hours of the Nature's Amazing Events(?) on Discovery Channel HD. I am totally sold on this unit.

After running for 8-9 hours, and just before turning the set off, I checked out the heat that was being output. I thought it was really negligible, just slightly warm, and not a concern at all. (On another site, I guess some LCD fanboys were trying to tell folks if they bought this plasma, it would heat their whole house for the winter - lol. I had the AC set to 72-73 on a close to 90 degree day, and all was fine). This unit generates a lot less heat than my Dad's 42" Hitachi plasma purchased 1.5 years ago. So I'm very pleased with the heat generation, (or lack of), with the TC-P54G10.

Bradley - thanks for the heads up on the credit regarding Sears, since the 36 mos., 0% financing was the incentive that made me finally pull the trigger.

I told my son that I wanted to do the 120 hour break-in via the SD images. He didn't want me to change a thing on this set - lol. He thought it looked that good.

So I am very, very pleased. Many thanks to everyone who contributed, and continue to contribute, on this site, and this thread in particular. I'm sure I will have many questions as my experience with this set grows. (Randy, I promise I will do my best to do a search for the obvious - lol).

- Bill
post #3209 of 9976
Quote:
Originally Posted by goofyjessie View Post

Just a quick update.
Have had my 46" G10 for a just over a month. All I can say is that I am absolutely thrilled with the panel!
In response to the requests for settings from a reliable source, here are mine after someone else posted after Chad calibrated his panel. (sorry - no SM offsets this post)

Custom Mode
Contrast +65
Brightness +50
Color +38
Tint 0
Sharpness +25
Color Temp Warm2
Color Mgmt. Off
x.v. Color Off
C.A.T.S. Off
Video NR Weak

Adv. Picture Settings
Block NR Off
Mosquito NR Off
Black Level Light
3:2 pulldown On
HD size 2

Obviously without the Service Menu offsets, this is not a complete answer for anyone, but it should give everyone a starting point for their tweaking.
I can't say enough about how great the picture quality is on this panel.
If there is anyone on the fence about this, you can fell great about pulling the trigger on a G10 I.M.O.
Hope everyone is having a good weekend - the weather here is perfect.
Best

Have to give proper credit where it's due. These were great settings right "out of the chute." I went with Warm 1, as opposed to Warm 2.

Now, to do the SD break-in!

Great picture - great set.

I'll now do a search for maybe an extended warranty here. Any suggestions? thanks.

- Bill

Oh - Should I drop the Contrast to 50 for that remaining 90 hrs., or am I OK at 65? Thanks.
post #3210 of 9976
At the moment I'm very close to pulling the trigger on either the 46-G10 or 50-G10, leaning towards the 46, as I think the 50 might be a bit too sizable for my viewing area. I would be interested in getting the set ISF calibrated after the purchase. Has anyone here had theirs calibrated yet, and have comments regarding the improvement from default(or calibrated) user menu settings?
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