Panasonic TC-P42G10, TC-P46G10, TC-P50G10, and TC-P54G10 Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 138

Thanks for the info. Im trying to decide whether I should get a g10 and have it calibrated or the V10 w/o a calibration. Anyone have thoughts on that?

Odd, mine is very bright even in my brightly lit living room.

Post all of your settings and tell us what your source and or content is when the TV is too dim. Something isn't right.

Hi, The source is Panasonic BD60 blueray player and couple of blue ray movies. I use HDMI cable (a cheap one bought from monoprice.com for $8). I just bought this TV. The vivid mode is bright but it brings lots of grains. The other modes are too dim - except the game mode which is little better. In the movie 'break-up' the bright sunny day scenes looks like cloudy day. I increased the brightness and contrast and i am not getting anything good.

In response to twisted, I have a 42" G10, with older Xbox 360. It RRODed only a few weeks after I got the tv, but through Component at 1080i, I saw no measurable delay through my eyes. I play mostly Halo 3 and some COD4, very fast paced games. There is some judder on Halo, but I do not know if it is because it is interlaced, or if it is even a true 1080p game. But either way, I plan to try 720p when it is repaired. Hopefully that will not create any delay.

So does the G10 have any problems displaying regular 24p? I don't really care to speed it up or anything, I've never really been a fan on the higher than usual refresh rates, I just want them to play properly at their native speed.

Yes, none of those codes worked.

However, 10250 worked, mostly. I can't use the cable remote to switch inputs, but that might not ever work. At least the TV volume and power buttons work.

Again, not enough information.

Here, fill in the blanks:

Source/Input ______

Picture Mode: __________

Contrast: __________

Brightness: __________

Color: __________

Tint: __________

Sharp: __________

Color Temp: __________

Color Mgmt: __________

x.v. Color: __________

CATS: __________

Video NR: __________

Zoom Adjust: __________

3D Y/C Filter: __________

Color Matrix: __________

Block NR: __________

Mosquito NR: __________

Black Level: __________

3:2 Pulldown: __________

24p Direc In: __________

HD Size: __________


And are you sure the DVD Player is set correctly? My old DVD Player had a LIGHT and DARK setting in the menu, maybe yours has something similar.

Source/Input HDMI from Panasonic blue ray player DMP BD60

Picture Mode: THX

Contrast: 100

Brightness: 58

Color: 50

Tint: 0

Sharp: 75

Color Temp: warm 2

Color Mgmt: 0ff

x.v. Color: grayed out

CATS: off

Video NR: Weak

Zoom Adjust: grayed out

3D Y/C Filter: off grayed out__________

Color Matrix: HD grayed out__________

Block NR: off grayed out__________

Mosquito NR: off

Black Level: Light

3:2 Pulldown: off

24p Direc In: 60 Hz

HD Size: Size1

checked all the menu options in the DVD player, i dont see any options as such...

sundar, those are just the factory defaults for THX mode - and THX mode is indeed very dim on these new 2009 Panasonics and lots of people here have complained about it, while others said THX is just perfect while watching movies in a very dark room. I also feel that THX is way too dim, especially if there's any light in the room. I like a brighter TV than most and THX does not look good to me personally.

Here are my Custom mode settings that i'm currently using for watching DVDs. We just watched Marley and Me and they looked pretty good, but she wouldn't allow me to fiddle with the settings menu so i didn't get a chance to fine-tune em or try anything different. Switch your TV to your DVD's HDMI input then change it to Custom mode and try my DVD settings. You can use these as a starting point then fine-tune them to your liking. The TV is much brighter using Custom mode.

Input/Source: HDMI-2 / Upconverting DVD Player outputting 1080i

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: +84
Brightness: +39
Color: +35
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +42

Color Temp: Warm 1
Color Mgmt: Off
x.v. Color: Off
CATS: Off
Video NR: Off Weak

3D Y/C Filter: Grayed Out - OFF
Color Matrix: SD
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 Pulldown: On
24p Direct In: Grayed Out - 60Hz
HD Size: Size 2

That's my basic understanding as well. I also had Chad B calibrate my P54G10 about a week and a half ago. He mentioned to me that the G10s tend to push too much blue out of the box, which he measured on my display, and corrected through grayscale adjustment. He did say that he couldn't improve the color accuracy on the G10s though......although it looks accurate to my eyes in 'custom' mode. Although he calibrated the THX setting on my display as well, it still has that yellow/green cast to skin tones that can't be totally eliminated. No problem really though, as I just leave it in custom mode as it looks fantastic.

He also increased the brightness in the service menu. It seemed that when I increased the brightness in the user menu (....before calibration...), the blacks would wash out a little. However, he was able to increase the brightness in the SM without it seeming to affect the deep blacks. The TV is now outputting about 38 ftl, and resides in a fairly dark basement environment.

I do notice an improved picture since he came out. I had done a basic user-level calibration using the Spears and Munsil HD calibration disc, but Chad brought the picture to a higher standard with his work. It's not a night and day difference, but it's definitely better. If I go back and switch the TV to an input or mode that he did not calibrate, the picture looks noticeably weaker than the inputs and modes that he calibrated. The biggest difference to me is the improved skin tones, and shadow detail looks improved as well (....likely due to the increased brightness...).

If I switch the display to the 48Hz refresh rate, I do notice the flicker much more since the calibration though. Before, I could detect it only occasionally on very bright scenes. I now just leave it on 60Hz when playing BDs though, as I don't feel the 24p output is that big of a deal.......I watched DVDs for years doing 3:2 pulldown and I never had a problem with it before 24p was an option.

I do have one question though.........if I was to update the firmware of the TV, would all the service menu adjustments that were made revert back to default settings? I think they probably would, but I'm not sure. I don't have my G10 connected to my home network, so there is no worry now about a firwmare update getting pushed to it automatically, but if I ever do decide to connect it I'd like to know if this would happen.

I don't see any flickering at all. Not on 48hz and certainly not on 60hz.


Absolutely no problems what so ever. I only have a PS3, so I can't speak about the XBox 360, but all games I've played look stunning.


I've got a Denon receiver and the handshake issue isn't really bothersome. You might lose audio signal for 1 sec ever 5 hours. These issues only happen when linking your cablebox via HDMI. You can always use component cables instead, and you'll have no handshake issues.

That does make sense. I guess the On/Off descrete codes I have aren't the same as yours.

I'll try to get one of the older Panasonics and see how that goes. I have an MX-810.

Thanks,

Mike

Regarding the comment about using PC speakers, I was thinking of using powered PC speakers that have volume control. A little research yielded the Creative Gigaworks T40 as one possibility, but those are still $140 or so. The T20s are older and a little cheaper. And the Creative Inspire T10 seem about right at $50. Anyone happen to use those for their PC?

UPDATE: Ah, yes, Variable Audio Output, as in controlling the volume of the PC speakers. The Panny's TV volume will not control the PC speaker volume. Got it. Note to self -- Need speakers with a remote control for volume. Rules out most inexpensive options. . .

Thanks for posting your settings. I am still messing with mine. How come you have the brightness set so low?

Can't really provide a definitive answer on that one as I tended to watch the PX80 in either custom or standard and not cinema. I found cinema to be a little too drab on the PX80. However, I think the G10s custom mode (with some tinkering) is better than either mode on the PX80. The G10s THX mode looks nice, but it does have a slight yellow push as others have suggested. I guess that could be tweaked a little. Certainly can't comment on the S1 as I've never seen it.

My initial impression is that the biggest improvement in the G10 over the PX80 is in viewing DirecTV HD. I could really never get skintones right on the PX80 with D* HD; I found myself constantly fiddling with color settings. I'm still fiddling with the G10 since it's brand new, but I've actually found settings where they look pretty accurate and natural. On BD discs however, both the PX80 and G10 looked great. It's a mystery to me why it was so hard to dial in D* on the PX80.

Not sure that helps much . . .

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Thank you so much. I am at office right now and will configure these settings as soon as i reach home. Thanks for your time on sharing this. I bought this TV after reading all the reviews and greatness about plasma but when i started watching it, i got upset about the brightness. I will try these setting and give my feedback. I really appreciate your help.

I read that the G10's VGA port only supports up to 1280x1024, and I intended on hooking up my Macbook Pro to the TV and watching HD content so that wouldn't cut it. I also read that if you use a DVI to HDMI adapter it will do 1900x1080 instead of 1920x1080. Is that true? I'm not going to buy this if I can't connect it to my PC and use it at full resolution.

My 46 inch G10 arrived today. Ordered Thursday night from Buydig.com and it was delivered today (Tuesday). It's running break-in slides right now so I haven't judged PQ yet... but shipping was flawless, I've got NO dead pixels at all, and the thing runs DEAD silent. It's almost too good. I'm scared something will explode while I'm at work tomorrow ;-)

The 48hz to me does not appear any smoother than 60hz. Instead of judder, there is the flickering. Maybe if you sit far back enough, it might not be a problem. The V10's 96 hz rate is supposed to appear very great for blu, but with the smallest screen a 50" and WAY out my price range, I got the 42". This tv's sole purpose is gaming, with some sdtv and br on the weekends.

hey Solomente, i was about to pull the trigger with buydig too, but decided to wait for a better deal.

if you don't mind, how was your experience with their shipping? did the delivery guys bring the tv into your home, unpack, and set up? thanks

what are your settings for custom mode on the px80?

I got the free delivery which was supposed to be "Threshold." That means they set it down right inside the front door, at ground level only (they won't carry up steps if you live in an apartment), and you have to open the box, plug it in, and make sure it works.

The two guys who brought mine carried it into the living room where I asked (granted it was only 10 feet away from the front door), unboxed it for me, took it out completely, connected it, and turned it on. They didn't set it on the stand or connect anything to it, but for how it all went, I wouldn't have paid $60 more just to have them set it on the stand or whatever.

Scheduling delivery was easy too. 30 minutes after getting the shipment email from Buydig, the trucking company sent me an email that they had it. The next day (Saturday), they sent me another email with a link so I could select the delivery date and am or pm time window. It was really easy, and they showed up right on time.

Your results with the delivery guys could vary greatly because I'm sure it depends on your local trucking company. But the scheduling system is nationwide, I think.

Just pulled the trigger on the Panny 50G10. No one in my area had one except the online retailers...Crutchfield ect. I Grabbed the Display model which had been on display for 2weeks! I was going to pass on It but the manager at BB gave me a deal I could't pass up (1169.00) ! Got it home, set it up, and now I'm in G10 BLISS.

Hi,

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I see horizontal lines like thin in my new 46G10? 2 days old. I am scared. B&H dont accept returns? Any suggestions please?

Hi,

I am seeing horizontal lines in my 2 days old 46G10. I am scared now. Is this called banding issue? I am not sure. I bought this from B&H and they dont take returns. Can someone provide some suggestions please?

Thanks for your help.

Any luck with that remote? My 50G10 is using a code from my old 42pz77u with my H20 receiver, I didn't have to change the code with my new tv.
Maybe it is just the remote.

Those H lines are normal, calibrating correctly seems to help some but Im not sure if that will actually go totally away.

It's called Line Bleed and is somewhat common on all plasma TVs when displaying some video scenes. That exact Preview screen that you posted is the biggest offender and is where a lot of people discover it. You'll rarely ever see this effect with regular content, and it's completely harmless so your TV is fine.

Search this forum for "Line Bleed" and you'll find more posts about it.

Did you try my Custom user settings yet?

Thanks for the reply. First of all, hats off for your settings. I was really amazed when i tuned my TV to your settings. The vivd mode was brighter but it was no accurate. But, your settings looks like THX mode + extra brightness i am looking for. Great and thank you very much.

Regarding the line bleed, since the TV is only 2 days old, do you suggest get it replaced using manufacturer warranty? I understand its no harm but is this an expected behavior for all TV's or because of some defect? Its just that i cant get myself convinced for issues like line bleed on a brand new costly TV. My friend with Samsung LCD TV, the same disc plays just fine.. no line bleed.

Thanks,
Sundar