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post #4531 of 9976
7/15/09 at 3:55pm
What would you do? i can get either a 42 G or a 46 S for my bedroom with a price difference of only $70 dollars. 90% of viewing will be of HD programming from the tv and the other 10% will be blu-rays every now and then.
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post #4532 of 9976
7/15/09 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by chinese_lover View Post

Anyone else notice how horrible non high def channels look on cable,
I mean you can watch them but still not as clear,
I plan on moving from time warner to Direct tv next year,
Once my contract is up,
Are all the channels on satellite all crystal clear looking,

I have DISH HD and a 54V10 which is more or less the same PDP Panel and SD looks pretty good at 9ft. The best decison we ever made was getting rid of cable. Direct or DISH will be better than most cable providers. We also have a Panny 42700U SD also looks good in SD.
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post #4533 of 9976
7/15/09 at 4:11pm
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I use the lack shelving unit from ikea, black, horizontal with 6" legs:
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00045560



Nice stand! What size G10 do you have there? The 54 incher?
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post #4534 of 9976
7/15/09 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by PRIME1 View Post

What would you do? i can get either a 42 G or a 46 S for my bedroom with a price difference of only $70 dollars. 90% of viewing will be of HD programming from the tv and the other 10% will be blu-rays every now and then.

How far will you be from the screen?
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post #4535 of 9976
7/15/09 at 5:12pm
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How far will you be from the screen?

I'll be about 12 feet from the tv. I can't go 50 cause it's a little out of the price range, plus it would overpower the room.
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post #4536 of 9976
7/15/09 at 5:16pm
Hi all, I'm trying to decide if the extra 4in in the 54G10 are worth it when compared to the 50....

I'm thinking I may just go for the 54 just in case we move and our room becomes larger. Currently we are sitting a max of like 9-11 feet away...

Also, this is my first plasma (or non CRT) for that matter, any newbie tips for me? so I dont have to read 152 pages?

thanks a million!
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post #4537 of 9976
7/15/09 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by PRIME1 View Post

What would you do? i can get either a 42 G or a 46 S for my bedroom with a price difference of only $70 dollars. 90% of viewing will be of HD programming from the tv and the other 10% will be blu-rays every now and then.

Depends on you really. For me, at that distance, I'd prefer a larger TV. Unless you find the additional features worthy of sacrificing size and/or you really think 42" will be big enough, I would go with the 46S1. I sit ~11' away from my 46", but anything less would be too small IMO.
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post #4538 of 9976
7/15/09 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The Panasonic rep is right - there is a special anti-reflective film applied to the outside of the glass and there is no way to polish it or fix the scratch. The only options are having the outer glass replaced or getting a whole new TV.

This is why it's so imperative to thoroughly inspect the screen before the delivery man leaves - if you see any sort of damage you can refuse the TV on the spot. If the tech somehow determines that the scratch is a defect in the coating or that it could have been scratched at the factory then he can probably get authorization to take the TV to his shop to replace the glass under warranty.

Whoa. Unusual coincidence? I just bought my TV from Newegg, got it the thursday before last, and right out of the box had a scratch at the top, 4 inches long. Very visible and right in the middle of the screen. Newegg shipped a new one, and the shipping company took a claim, but there was nothing wrong with the box. I'm really surprised to hear this happening to somebody else. Just got the new replacement 42 G10 yesterday.

And the whole time I was wondering if I could have possibly scratched it, because I didn't want to think something as obvious as that would make it out of the factory. But I knew I had taken precautions to not let a hair touch that screen.
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post #4539 of 9976
7/15/09 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Depends on you really. For me, at that distance, I'd prefer a larger TV. Unless you find the additional features worthy of sacrificing size and/or you really think 42" will be big enough, I would go with the 46S1. I sit ~11' away from my 46", but anything less would be too small IMO.

I have been leaning more towards the S in recent days, but my only hesitation has been the on-going question as to just how much, if any, difference there is in pq between the S and the G.
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post #4540 of 9976
7/15/09 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by r4wj4 View Post

Does the G series have better picture quality than the S series or the only difference between them is the web features?

I really don't think you will notice any difference in picture quality between the two if you run them both in custom picture mode. Cnet said black levels looked lower in THX mode on the G10 but honestly I find that hard to believe and with no data to back this claim up. I've consistently seen black levels measured at around .008fL on all 2009 NeoPDP sets even the top of the line V10 series has no better blacks than the cheaper models.

If the price is about the same just get the G10 but if there is a $150-$200 difference it's hard to justify the higher price if you don't need the internet features of the G10.
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post #4541 of 9976
7/15/09 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by PRIME1 View Post

I have been leaning more towards the S in recent days, but my only hesitation has been the on-going question as to just how much, if any, difference there is in pq between the S and the G.

I believe CNETs reviews say the G10 has better color accuracy than the X1 or S1's and they said the Greens on the S1's and X1's have some type of neon green and it didn't look good to them. Comparing the S1 to the G10, overall I could tell that the guys at CNET liked the G10 much more when it came to some colors. You can go look at reviews on the TVs at CNET if you'd like, they have a decent measure of credibility. I don't think you'll go wrong with the S1 anyway, I'm sure its a great TV, but not as good as the G10. CNET says the G10 comes closest to the best Pioneer in terms of PQ and black levels, and they even said that the G10 takes over the throne that the Kuro sat in, although I don't really understand how.
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post #4542 of 9976
7/15/09 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by akk5000 View Post

I am running the break-in images on my 50g10. After 10 hours of continuous slideshow, this thing is warm to the touch. I liked the build quality a lot. The metal back is solid.

What is the slideshow? Is it the feature that runs the white horizontal line continuously?

I read on a forum the following: "Many plasma manufacturers have installed anti-burn settings, which are monotone gray or snow screen settings which recalibrate pixel intensity levels uniformly - thus eliminating any image retention (ghosting). It is a good idea to run this type of program after the first 100 hours or so?"

Does Panasonic G10's have such a feature? What is it? BTW, I have the 42 inch G10. TY!
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post #4543 of 9976
7/15/09 at 6:35pm
Have the 42" G10. Purchased the TV mostly to watch movies with a Blu-Ray Player. Have the LG390 BluRay and love it.

Here's what Panasonic Customer Rep #1 said watching Widescreen on the Plasma is ok, only don't do so for over 2-3hrs at one time. And he said to never use the 4:3 (sidebars) to watch a movie. Black bars on top and bottom are ok but not on the sides. Doesn't make sense to me, nonetheless, I wrote the notes down because the handbook that comes with the TV doesn't really address these issues. Warranty does not cover burn in.

Panasonic Rep. #2 (female) said under no circumstances should movies be played in widescreen format, change the w/s to FULL. This is NOT what I wanted to hear! For me the TV is about watching movies and a theatre like experience. Salesman who I know at BB says he doesn't know what the Panny Rep is talking about as he watches widescreen format all the time and does lots of gaming and no burn in.

I'd love imput from other long time Plasma TV owners. A TV should not be high maintenance....geesh! Even high maintenance females are avoided like the plague. ;-)

Why would Panny make people paranoid? Had they said this to me before the purchase, I would have said.....forgetaboutit!
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post #4544 of 9976
7/15/09 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by armenian01 View Post

I believe CNETs reviews say the G10 has better color accuracy than the X1 or S1's and they said the Greens on the S1's and X1's have some type of neon green and it didn't look good to them. Comparing the S1 to the G10, overall I could tell that the guys at CNET liked the G10 much more when it came to some colors. You can go look at reviews on the TVs at CNET if you'd like, they have a decent measure of credibility. I don't think you'll go wrong with the S1 anyway, I'm sure its a great TV, but not as good as the G10. CNET says the G10 comes closest to the best Pioneer in terms of PQ and black levels, and they even said that the G10 takes over the throne that the Kuro sat in, although I don't really understand how.

Yes, i remember reading CNET's review when it first came out- which is why I was heading in the G direction for the longest time. But then i kept reading some very wise advise from some posters here which was, go to the store and look for yourself. Now i know store settings can't truly be trusted, but from a point of comparison and just close examination- i could not see any red/green push on the S or much difference in PQ for that matter. It may be that my eye isn't as discerning as some of the people here, but as many have said, unless you have a G and a S sitting side-by-side at home- you're not going to notice how much better the pq is on the G series compared to the S. I'm starting to feel more comfortable now in thinking I should go with the 46 S over the 42 G. That's one thing I really love about this forum, is that it's a great sounding board for people that are on the fence.
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post #4545 of 9976
7/15/09 at 6:37pm
Ok one last question. G10 42" TV owner. Picture was super sharp and awesome. Last three days, the same dvd are grainy and a bit out of focus. Still using the original setting which were perfect until now. Now past the 100 hrs break-in period. Any suggestions? TY.
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post #4546 of 9976
7/15/09 at 9:54pm
Quick trip to IKEA this afternoon and I have an inexpensive stand that actually matches my old Polk Speakers.
Now I need a couple cheap speaker stands, and some movie posters, and a receiver, and a sub, I love how this never ends.

To bad the wife doesn't understand why the 1992 model Onkyo receiver isn't good enough.
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post #4547 of 9976
7/15/09 at 10:18pm
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Originally Posted by drshorty View Post

Whoa. Unusual coincidence? I just bought my TV from Newegg, got it the thursday before last, and right out of the box had a scratch at the top, 4 inches long. Very visible and right in the middle of the screen. Newegg shipped a new one, and the shipping company took a claim, but there was nothing wrong with the box. I'm really surprised to hear this happening to somebody else. Just got the new replacement 42 G10 yesterday.

And the whole time I was wondering if I could have possibly scratched it, because I didn't want to think something as obvious as that would make it out of the factory. But I knew I had taken precautions to not let a hair touch that screen.

same here.. I retraced all my steps thinking how maybe I could have done it myself.. taking the box off, pulling the manuals out.. their are two scratches.. one about 2 to 3 inches long and then another that is like a V or at a right angle.. I thought the same as you.. how could that get out of the factory.. what is the build date on your tv?? Hopefully enough people will call panasonic and there will be reports of scratched glass.. maybe there is an unhappy employee at the factory..
the tech took pics of the screen, packaging, and packing list and receipt.. he is going to submit it to panasonic.. he actually sounded like they might replace the glass for me. I mentioned to him that I figured it would be a "my word vs theirs" type thing.. but he actually said that the way the scratch is it would be really hard to do it from taking it out of the box or any other way..
so i guess I will wait to see what they say..
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post #4548 of 9976
7/15/09 at 11:22pm
In the week and a half I waited for my 46" G10, I read almost every post in this thread, but now that I actually have the set - I have one question.

Nearly all users have the black level in their custom settings set to "light" as it comes out of the box. I'm conflicted on this, because even with lots of changes and testing different settings posted here, the image seems overall a bit too light. Changing the black level setting to "dark" works really well, but it does lead to losing some of the picture detail on the opposite ends of light/dark.

What are the best ways to conquer this? It would be great if there was an option to split the difference between "light" and "dark"...
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post #4549 of 9976
7/16/09 at 12:26am
Well after eyeballing televisions for a while I finally bought one with the sweet amazon deal from last week. I set it up today and the picture quality is just amazing. I just set it on THX and watch my favorite parts of The Dark Knight, which I've seen about 6 times in its entirety now.

Anyways, I decided to hook up my laptop and as soon as I hooked it up I got a very distinct buzzing sound. It's an electrical buzzing sound, the type you might have heard in those big electrical transformers on electrical lines.

When I hooked it up I think the resolution was 800x600. I looked at the manual and it said the highest supported resolution was 1200x768, so I set it to that. I've heard you can damage the television by not using proper resolutions and such so I got a bit scared because of the buzzing sound coming through. What is everyone else's experience in this manner? Should I be worried about damaging my set by hooking up my pc to it? I noticed that I also had the option to set the television set to 1280x800 but was a bit afraid to do that since it wasn't listed in the manual and I've heard setting resolutions outside of the range of your television can damage it.

I've heard some people complain of a buzzing sound from the set so I started to pay a bit more attention. I hooked up a blu-ray player again and listened in silence. You can definitely hear the fans whirring and there is a definite buzzing sound as well. This buzzing sound increases when you hit the menu button.

You have to listen in a silent room though because its not too loud, when you hook up a pc though, thats pretty audible. Neither of these are deal breakers for me but I just thought I'd report my experience since this is something that concerns some people.

On a bit of a side note, I just got a Samsung 23" monitor which some people have complained of a "buzzing" sound. Mine has a buzzing sound, its not very loud though. My guess is that these sets experience this, but you need to listen in a silent room and be right next to the set. The fans on the television are definitely audible but they emit a gentle whirring sound and I didn't realize the fans were on till I turned off the television. Now when I turn the television on I can hear the fans because I'm conscious of it. It's nothing I'll be able to hear when I have my wireless headphones on though.

6 feet away from a 42" set and the experience is quiet cinematic.
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post #4550 of 9976
7/16/09 at 3:29am
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Originally Posted by am_pcguy View Post

Quick trip to IKEA this afternoon and I have an inexpensive stand that actually matches my old Polk Speakers.
Now I need a couple cheap speaker stands, and some movie posters, and a receiver, and a sub, I love how this never ends.

To bad the wife doesn't understand why the 1992 model Onkyo receiver isn't good enough.

I really like that look...very clean and sleek. As long as you are making a list...add the Panasonic BD-60($200 on Amazon)it's the best by far in it's class. I glanced at your DVD collection...you need to start getting the blu rays...they have been real cheap lately on Amazon($11.49 for Unforgiven)
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post #4551 of 9976
7/16/09 at 3:30am
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Originally Posted by prozak View Post

Well after eyeballing televisions for a while I finally bought one with the sweet amazon deal from last week. I set it up today and the picture quality is just amazing. I just set it on THX and watch my favorite parts of The Dark Knight, which I've seen about 6 times in its entirety now.

Anyways, I decided to hook up my laptop and as soon as I hooked it up I got a very distinct buzzing sound. It's an electrical buzzing sound, the type you might have heard in those big electrical transformers on electrical lines.

When I hooked it up I think the resolution was 800x600. I looked at the manual and it said the highest supported resolution was 1200x768, so I set it to that. I've heard you can damage the television by not using proper resolutions and such so I got a bit scared because of the buzzing sound coming through. What is everyone else's experience in this manner? Should I be worried about damaging my set by hooking up my pc to it? I noticed that I also had the option to set the television set to 1280x800 but was a bit afraid to do that since it wasn't listed in the manual and I've heard setting resolutions outside of the range of your television can damage it.

I've heard some people complain of a buzzing sound from the set so I started to pay a bit more attention. I hooked up a blu-ray player again and listened in silence. You can definitely hear the fans whirring and there is a definite buzzing sound as well. This buzzing sound increases when you hit the menu button.

You have to listen in a silent room though because its not too loud, when you hook up a pc though, thats pretty audible. Neither of these are deal breakers for me but I just thought I'd report my experience since this is something that concerns some people.

On a bit of a side note, I just got a Samsung 23" monitor which some people have complained of a "buzzing" sound. Mine has a buzzing sound, its not very loud though. My guess is that these sets experience this, but you need to listen in a silent room and be right next to the set. The fans on the television are definitely audible but they emit a gentle whirring sound and I didn't realize the fans were on till I turned off the television. Now when I turn the television on I can hear the fans because I'm conscious of it. It's nothing I'll be able to hear when I have my wireless headphones on though.

6 feet away from a 42" set and the experience is quiet cinematic.

Do yourself a favor, quit looking for problems you read about on here...just enjoy your display.
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post #4552 of 9976
7/16/09 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by PRIME1 View Post

I have been leaning more towards the S in recent days, but my only hesitation has been the on-going question as to just how much, if any, difference there is in pq between the S and the G.

There is a difference in PQ, not dramatic, but it does exist. The "actual" street price of a G10 compared to an S1 is very slight, as Panasonic has made the G10 series it's "sweet spot" for their 09 lineup. I think in the future you will see more uses for the internet connectivity on the G10. There is a rumor that Amazon might purchase Netflix

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/13...ver-return-it/

My suggestion, get both the 46" and the G10...just shop around...you can do it.
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post #4553 of 9976
7/16/09 at 5:22am
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Originally Posted by speedking View Post

I really like that look...very clean and sleek. As long as you are making a list...add the Panasonic BD-60($200 on Amazon)it's the best by far in it's class. I glanced at your DVD collection...you need to start getting the blu rays...they have been real cheap lately on Amazon($11.49 for Unforgiven)

Thanks, the BD-60 is on the shelf, bottom left.
I'm going to start picking up some blu-ray movies. I've just not been compelled to buy many. I also have a PS3 in my living room so now that I have 2 BD players it will be easier to buy that format.
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post #4554 of 9976
7/16/09 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by ystasino View Post

If you had to guess, what would you say the chances are that the 46G10, or even the 50G10, will drop below $1k on or around black Friday? Currently the 46G10 is 1,167 at Newegg and the 50G10 is $1,297 at butterfly photo. Thanks.

I would say the chances are pretty good for some black friday deals. I ordered my 50G10
on 6-28-09 from Crutchfield with the Panasonic BD-60 deal. Two days later they dropped the price on the tv and the BD-60 so I called them and they refunded my cc the $230 difference. So I got the 50G10 for $999.99. Pretty sweet. I posted on here about the deal Crutchfield was having but I guess the mods deleted it since I was quoting prices but I dont really understand why as there is price talk all over these boards even though its officially against the rules !

The tv is awesome and shipping took 4 days. Delivery was by Ceva and absolutely no problems
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post #4555 of 9976
7/16/09 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by lunaticpuma View Post

I have the issue too. It didn't happen with Comcast. Component cables are slightly better. I still get blank-outs, but they go away much quicker. It's still annoying as hell. I'll probably call Verizon about it soon. It's been happening more frequently the past week or so.


I read somewhere else, that a guy had these same symptoms. He concluded it was getting low line voltage to the tv. When his boiler kicked on, the TV would black out for a few seconds. So, he added a battery backup and it resolved all the black outs he was having.

If you are seeing a problem with both component and HDMI then it makes me think it isn't Verizon's fault at all. If it was Verizon's fault, one would think more people would be complaining about this.

Could this happen to these TV's if the bandwidth they are recieving is too much for it to handle? I obvioulsy don't have much TV knowledge. So, these are just wild guesses.

Anyone have any suggestions? If it is low line voltage....are there small devices that I could get that would fit behind a wall mounted TV?
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post #4556 of 9976
7/16/09 at 7:28am
There just needs to be a thread. If you want a plasma, or a flat screen for that matter,look no further.. just buy a G10.
I just got dish hd installed yesterday and the tv is amazing.. My hours of researching and reading forums has paid off. I hate HD though!!!.. it's like High Speed internet.. once you get it you can never go back to watching anything else. I was pretty much no going to get bluray .. didn't think I needed it.. didn't want to spend the money.. Now I think I have to have it. When is netflix/blockbuster online going to have bluray?? I'm on an HD crack high right now..
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post #4557 of 9976
7/16/09 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by gbs843 View Post

I would say the chances are pretty good for some black friday deals. I ordered my 50G10 on 6-28-09 from Crutchfield with the Panasonic BD-60 deal. Two days later they dropped the price on the tv and the BD-60 so I called them and they refunded my cc the $230 difference. So I got the 50G10 for $xxxx. Pretty sweet. I posted on here about the deal Crutchfield was having but I guess the mods deleted it since I was quoting prices but I dont really understand why as there is price talk all over these boards even though its officially against the rules !

If you know it's against the rules to post prices then why did you do it again in your post above? Your first post probably got deleted because not only is it against the rules to post sale prices, it's also against the rules to discuss where to buy to get those sale prices. I suggest a re-read of the rules posted at the very top of this forum
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post #4558 of 9976
7/16/09 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

If you know it's against the rules to post prices then why did you do it again in your post above? Your first post probably got deleted because not only is it against the rules to post sale prices, it's also against the rules to discuss where to buy to get those sale prices. I suggest a re-read of the rules posted at the very top of this forum

The post that was deleted was my very first post here. After it was deleted I found out about the no price talk policy. I didnt mean to break the rules, I just didnt know that I was. My point is there is lots of price talk on here and lots of talk about what certain retailers prices are. For most people the price of a new tv is a big consideration in the
purchase. BTW, I have learned alot from this forum and your posts in particular. Thanks
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post #4559 of 9976
7/16/09 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by nissmo View Post

Hi all, I'm trying to decide if the extra 4in in the 54G10 are worth it when compared to the 50....

I'm thinking I may just go for the 54 just in case we move and our room becomes larger. Currently we are sitting a max of like 9-11 feet away...

Also, this is my first plasma (or non CRT) for that matter, any newbie tips for me? so I dont have to read 152 pages?

thanks a million!

I'm about 9 1/2 feet away and have the 50inch G10. I love this TV and sometimes wish I had gone up to 54 inches, especially because widescreen blu-rays would look that much more cinematic! The picture is sharp and the colors spectacular. The TV does need some time to warm up for the colors to really settle in, which is partly what the 120 hour break-in period is about.

Don't fret about image-retention. With a mixture of program viewing and gaming, I haven't had a problem (I've got over 250 hours at least after almost 3 months).
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post #4560 of 9976
7/16/09 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by am_pcguy View Post

Quick trip to IKEA this afternoon and I have an inexpensive stand that actually matches my old Polk Speakers.
Now I need a couple cheap speaker stands, and some movie posters, and a receiver, and a sub, I love how this never ends.

To bad the wife doesn't understand why the 1992 model Onkyo receiver isn't good enough.

i just bought a set of these speakers stands from frys for my polk surrounds and they are sturdy and very clean looking.

http://www.frys.com/product/2926745?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
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