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post #6211 of 9991
I have a G10 and I believe my my screen is also slightly to the left.
post #6212 of 9991
I am going to get my 46G10 next tuesday. What is the easiest way of burning in assuming i am planning to use TV for 6 to 7 hours every evening? Is it okay if i just keep it dim and avoid black bars for the first 120 hours?
post #6213 of 9991
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Wow you still have SARA on your 8300HD? It's only a matter of time before TWC forces their in-house Naviagator software onto it. They forced it onto my 8300HD about a month ago and i despise it. When i set the Banner Duration to "short", the channel bar goes away in about 1.5 to 2 seconds. But i've never got any IR on my G10 from anything on my 8300HD nor my Tivo Series 3 - no progress bar IR, no menu IR, no black bar IR, and no Logo or ticker IR. It goes away almost immediately no matter what i'm doing, and i have my Contrast set to +81% which is on the high side. I wonder why you're getting IR and i'm not?

I think you should get into the habit of hitting your EXIT key immediately after changing channels - it's only one more button press and will get that channel bar off the screen instantly.

I'm curious about your setup. You have TWC and a Tivo hooked up to your set? If that's the case, was it so you could potentially record 4 stations on one tv?

On a side note, does anyone use Vivid at all? I've noticed when watching NFL games or animated/cg movies, Vivid really makes the colors pop. I was just wondering if someone had some settings to help reign it in just a little bit.
post #6214 of 9991
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Originally Posted by vkarthik View Post

I am going to get my 46G10 next tuesday. What is the easiest way of burning in assuming i am planning to use TV for 6 to 7 hours every evening? Is it okay if i just keep it dim and avoid black bars for the first 120 hours?

Yes.
post #6215 of 9991
One more question. Is it bad if i use closed caption during the break-in period.
post #6216 of 9991
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Originally Posted by CreepingDeath007 View Post

I have a G10 and I believe my my screen is also slightly to the left.

So is mine, noticed it the first day i had it, doesnt really bother me though.
post #6217 of 9991
Oh wow! I paused my DVR and forgot the tv was on. Turned around panicked and low and behold the lovely G10 had a little screen saver going! Phew!!!!!!!!!
post #6218 of 9991
When i read some posts about IR, burn-ins even after break-in period i am concerned. I am a huge panasonic fan.Almost all my video entertainment products are panasonic. Blu ray player, VCR, Two CRT TVs i owned for a very long time. They have exceptional quality control. You rarely find lemons.Although i watch movies and sitcoms most of the time i also watch daily show, colbert show. Should i not watch them for the first 100 hours. It is quiet an abnormal maintenance requirement.
post #6219 of 9991
Is THX mode not recommended when the set is young because it sets the contrast at 100%? serialmike a couple pages back say this setting causes IR burn in easier?
post #6220 of 9991
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

Is THX mode not recommended when the set is young because it sets the contrast at 100%? serialmike a couple pages back say this setting causes IR burn in easier?

THX is different, It is not a bright setting even though it has 100 contrast. THX is actually bad for other reasons. That is because it is set to 1:1 pixel mapping. When viewing Broadcast TV sometimes the image does not fill the screen in this mode.

Custom Standard Vivid or Game settings with 100 contrast can cause BI or IR in the first 100 hrs pretty easily if the image isnt constantly changing.
post #6221 of 9991
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

How much buzzing should there be on the G10s? I am sitting 8' away for the 54" and if I have muted volume definitely can hear a bit of buzzing, depending on the brightness of the screen, sometimes the screen flashes something bright and you would hear a quick "blip" of buzz. If you put your head near the back of the TV you can hear it more. Luckily most movies are widescreen and the screen isn't bright so the noise on average is minimal.

But I doubt one would hear it if you even set the movie more than a whisper volume. I searched this thread for word "buzz" and came up with 4 pages of results so this plasma definitely have some.. do you agree?

I have noticed the same issue at least durring my break in slides.. If it's a white or gray screen the is a buzzing sound I can hear if I have the volume down from about 6 feet away... Do all g10's have a buzz? Is it something that just is part of pdp tech?
post #6222 of 9991
As I am going through the initial G10 "break-in" I am a bit nervous about leaving the set on when I am not around to check that a non-full screen picture has come up on the channel. I was thinking of using the D-Nice slide deck to run during late night and daytime so I don't have to worry.

1) What do you folks think?
2) Should I use the d-nice settings while running his slides or is it better to use the same settings I use during watching TV?
3) Should I use the 120 picture slide deck and not the d-nice slide deck?

Thanks!
post #6223 of 9991
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Originally Posted by PRIME1 View Post

I'm curious about your setup. You have TWC and a Tivo hooked up to your set? If that's the case, was it so you could potentially record 4 stations on one tv?

Actually i have another TWC 8300HD in the corner A/V rack so i can actually record 6 channels at the same time, but i never do. The corner one is mainly just for recording movies for the "wife" and for recording any shows that i want to transfer to DVD (it's connected to my DVR Recorder via S-Video as well as my Onkyo AVR via HDMI).


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On a side note, does anyone use Vivid at all? I've noticed when watching NFL games or animated/cg movies, Vivid really makes the colors pop. I was just wondering if someone had some settings to help reign it in just a little bit.

I played with Vivid mode both at night and on a very sunny afternoon and i couldn't get it to look good - it's just too intense and harsh so i'm just dismissing it as a store display mode.
post #6224 of 9991
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Originally Posted by PRIME1 View Post


On a side note, does anyone use Vivid at all? I've noticed when watching NFL games or animated/cg movies, Vivid really makes the colors pop. I was just wondering if someone had some settings to help reign it in just a little bit.

I tried to calibrate Vivid mode. You can crank brightness up to 100 and you are still crushing black. I find this mode to be useless imo due to this.
post #6225 of 9991
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Originally Posted by Keabrown79 View Post

I have noticed the same issue at least durring my break in slides.. If it's a white or gray screen the is a buzzing sound I can hear if I have the volume down from about 6 feet away... Do all g10's have a buzz? Is it something that just is part of pdp tech?

That's normal, but you shouldn't hear it at all during normal tv watching. Mine did the same thing during the white screen during the break in, and haven't heard it since. I got my g10 in June.
post #6226 of 9991
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Originally Posted by charliemax View Post

If you have unlimited time on your hands and want to make yourself crazy, I have found the perfect solution.

Pick a picture mode and adjust the settings visually. I can be very picky after developing photographs for years, from darkrooms to LCD monitors and Photoshop.

I usually start with actors' complexions, then work out into details which contribute to the backgrounds surrounding the actors.

Here's what happens..

On a rare occasion. i will think i got it as close to perfect as possible.

The next day, I will wonder WTH I was i thinking.

The important thing is that time has passed.

Many times, I have just thrown in the towel because I just can't get everything right. I'll try again tomorrow.

The next day, I'll turn it on to watch something and go "Wow! That looks great!"

I think if you spend a continuous hour or two fidgeting with the settings, you can lose complete perspective of the PQ as a whole for normal viewing.

You need a break to get your eyes and brain back into synch, so you can see the forest, and not make yourself crazy over a little tree or two.

Yep. When I first get a new TV, I can be sitting and watching a movie only to noticed my hand is reaching for the remote to play with settings again. Maybe I should try warm1 rather than normal. Maybe I should bump the color up a notch or two. After awhile, none of it makes sense or looks right.

I looks good now but after 100 hours, I'll run DVE and after I've set it, will not touch it again... I hope.
post #6227 of 9991
I am kinda upset with my TV at the moment really. I had the first one I got week before last and took it back because of a dead red pixel. Then I get the second one home and I have a dead green pixel. Trying to decide what to do at this point. And yes I can see it... when I play NHL which has a white background the dead pixel looks red on a white screen.

One problem though is it's not dead all the time but really dim. If I turn on the break in slides and go to the green ones it will be on but dim compared to the rest of the pixels. If I go back to watch something full screen for a few minutes and then switch back to the green screen it's dead. Very odd.

I know it's picky but for me it was a lot of money for the TV. I don't expect dead pixels. Frustrating.
post #6228 of 9991
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Originally Posted by panabolic View Post

As I am going through the initial G10 "break-in" I am a bit nervous about leaving the set on when I am not around to check that a non-full screen picture has come up on the channel. I was thinking of using the D-Nice slide deck to run during late night and daytime so I don't have to worry.

1) What do you folks think?
2) Should I use the d-nice settings while running his slides or is it better to use the same settings I use during watching TV?
3) Should I use the 120 picture slide deck and not the d-nice slide deck?

Thanks!

I haven't even got my TV yet. I am already over-anxious and over-concerned about how the first 100 hours would go. Man this is a nightmare . There are tons of plasma owners who may not read these forums. Imagine their plight. In a way they might be more peaceful. At times i wonder if i should have gone for LCD just to avoid this baby sitting. It is due to arrive tomorrow.
post #6229 of 9991
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Actually i have another TWC 8300HD in the corner A/V rack so i can actually record 6 channels at the same time, but i never do. The corner one is mainly just for recording movies for the "wife" and for recording any shows that i want to transfer to DVD (it's connected to my DVR Recorder via S-Video as well as my Onkyo AVR via HDMI).


I played with Vivid mode both at night and on a very sunny afternoon and i couldn't get it to look good - it's just too intense and harsh so i'm just dismissing it as a store display mode.

The 8300HD, is that a new box? I have the motorolla DCH3416, and it gives me problems. I don't know if it's the box or what, but sometimes when I try to rewind or fast forward, it will take me all the way back to the beginning or end of a program. It's pretty frustrating. Does your box have a bigger hard drive inside, cause I seem to be filling mine up pretty quickly with so much HD programming being out there. It would be nice if you could add an external hard drive to these cable boxes the same way you can for the tivo.

Do you know of any type of device that would allow you to transfer programs on your cable box to your computer or mp3 player? I'm guessing there probably isn't anything like that due to some sort of copyright violation, but I'm not sure.
post #6230 of 9991
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Originally Posted by vkarthik View Post

I haven't even got my TV yet. I am already over-anxious and over-concerned about how the first 100 hours would go. Man this is a nightmare . There are tons of plasma owners who may not read these forums. Imagine their plight. In a way they might be more peaceful. At times i wonder if i should have gone for LCD just to avoid this baby sitting. It is due to arrive tomorrow.

I'm in the same boat as you. My new 46" G10 is to be finally delivered tomorrow morning. Sometimes I wish I never even read through this thread as at times it has gotten the best of me. I'd have to stop, think rationally for a minute, and realize most people are just overly paranoid and nit-picking on small insignificant things. Not to mention the majority of G10 owners are probably not even posting here as they are too busy enjoying it.

I even at one point, dare I say it, wondered if I would have been better off going with the lower maintenance of LCD. It's just silliness though. We both know plasma is superior in the one area that really matters--picture quality. It's why we went plasma. If a little extra maintenance and TLC is required for that better picture quality then so be it.
post #6231 of 9991
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Originally Posted by serialmike View Post

THX is different, It is not a bright setting even though it has 100 contrast. THX is actually bad for other reasons. That is because it is set to 1:1 pixel mapping. When viewing Broadcast TV sometimes the image does not fill the screen in this mode.

Custom Standard Vivid or Game settings with 100 contrast can cause BI or IR in the first 100 hrs pretty easily if the image isnt constantly changing.

Hi.. 95% of what I am viewing with the TV is blu rays, and it worked fine in non overscan mode.

Where does the dimness of the THX mode comes from, is the gamut different? Does each setting has its own?
post #6232 of 9991
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Originally Posted by Meteor|WAR View Post

I'm in the same boat as you. My new 46" G10 is to be finally delivered tomorrow morning. Sometimes I wish I never even read through this thread as at times it has gotten the best of me. I'd have to stop, think rationally for a minute, and realize most people are just overly paranoid and nit-picking on small insignificant things. Not to mention the majority of G10 owners are probably not even posting here as they are too busy enjoying it.

I even at one point, dare I say it, wondered if I would have been better off going with the lower maintenance of LCD. It's just silliness though. We both know plasma is superior in the one area that really matters--picture quality. It's why we went plasma. If a little extra maintenance and TLC is required for that better picture quality then so be it.

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Originally Posted by vkarthik View Post

I haven't even got my TV yet. I am already over-anxious and over-concerned about how the first 100 hours would go. Man this is a nightmare . There are tons of plasma owners who may not read these forums. Imagine their plight. In a way they might be more peaceful. At times i wonder if i should have gone for LCD just to avoid this baby sitting. It is due to arrive tomorrow.

You're exactly correct. I am sure there is no need to go crazy. Panasonic just says to be a bit careful in the first 100 or so hours too much 4:3 viewing. Other than that enjoy.
post #6233 of 9991
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Originally Posted by Meteor|WAR View Post

I'm in the same boat as you. My new 46" G10 is to be finally delivered tomorrow morning. Sometimes I wish I never even read through this thread as at times it has gotten the best of me. I'd have to stop, think rationally for a minute, and realize most people are just overly paranoid and nit-picking on small insignificant things. Not to mention the majority of G10 owners are probably not even posting here as they are too busy enjoying it.

There are a few little issues that may annoy some people with this TV. The more you read these posts the more you may pay attention to them. I stopped looking for problems really.. for the price I paid, and realizing this is not a top of the line set.. there is no need to fuzz so much about it really.
post #6234 of 9991
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

Hi.. 95% of what I am viewing with the TV is blu rays, and it worked fine in non overscan mode.

Where does the dimness of the THX mode comes from, is the gamut different? Does each setting has its own?

Again The issue with THX is that it is set to 1:1 pixel map. This doesnt work well for broadcast TV especially during break in because the set could possibly not have a full screen image. Bluray doesnt have a 1:1 match problem.

The set only goes so bright in THX mode. The max brightness of THX mode is less than 1/4 of the brightness that can be attained in Custom or standard mode.
post #6235 of 9991
Decided to run these 120 slides over the D-Nice ones when I am not at home or sleeping
http://www.webapalooza.com/plasma/


I am not going to run them with video settings at 100 as I think that's crazy....
post #6236 of 9991
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Originally Posted by serialmike View Post

Again The issue with THX is that it is set to 1:1 pixel map. This doesnt work well for broadcast TV especially during break in because the set could possibly not have a full screen image. Bluray doesnt have a 1:1 match problem.

The set only goes so bright in THX mode. The max brightness of THX mode is less than 1/4 of the brightness that can be attained in Custom or standard mode.

Hi again, thanks for your explaination,
The setting on your sigature for the 54".. are they meant to be for a fairly dark room?
post #6237 of 9991
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Originally Posted by vkarthik View Post

I haven't even got my TV yet. I am already over-anxious and over-concerned about how the first 100 hours would go. Man this is a nightmare . There are tons of plasma owners who may not read these forums. Imagine their plight. In a way they might be more peaceful. At times i wonder if i should have gone for LCD just to avoid this baby sitting. It is due to arrive tomorrow.

Take some deep breaths and breath slowly. (kidding)

Here's my theory (i have no empirical evidence to support it, besides my TV broke in great)... I have over 200 hrs on my G10, with 120 of them using D-Nice's color slides at the Vivid mode/settings.

The 120 hr slide break-in is to uniformly "season" the cells/pixels. A calibrator doesn't want to do their precision adjustments, then have them thrown off later as the set further breaks in. For their own reasons, they must see a TV broken in with slides for 120 hrs, as a stable, workable product.

I am not a fan of heat stressing electronic equipment, unless you want to test its components' short-term durability. With those slides running, my 50G10 draws almost twice the current, than normal operation. And it gets HOT. So this was the break-in schedule....

4-5 hours per day with the slides and Vivid, and a couple hours per day of normal viewing (it's a bedroom TV), just keeping the contrast down around or below 50 for normal viewing. After the first 5 days, I cooked it twice with the slides/Vivid for 12+ hrs straight (it was a weekend, so I was around, and could check it periodically). Since nothing detonated, I then resumed the normal daily regimen. It's just an opinion or superstition, but I don't think baking the TV for 120 hrs in 5 or 6 days is a good idea. That's trauma, not break-in.

The outcome of this is a mature system in a relatively short period of time. Ideal if you want it calibrated ASAP from the date you bought it. If calibration is something you may want "someday", or don't plan it, there is no reason to not just watch your regular programming. In that case, it may take a little longer for the display to come up to an even, optimum performance, But so what.

So that's break-in. Now for image retention.

I had minor issues with this, because I never read instruction manuals. I don't game, but I would consider that the highest risk for IR. You get playing, and lose track of time. Although I do have a habit of putting on financial news and getting occupied elsewhere. Bloomberg has the ticker at the bottom, and runs commercials with an SD screen and sidebars. I got faint sidelines and a slight "dirty" central screen and bottom at one point.

But here's the thing. Just like the TV is more susceptible to IR in its first hours, the scrolling bars are more effective during that period, also. IMHO, the way that Panasonic implements the bars is insufficient to maximize their effectiveness. They move too quickly, and only for 15 minutes. Then throws you back to viewing program.

To do an effective scrubbing, they should run for at least an hour (and it would be nice if it just turned the TV off at the end. That way you could start it before bed, and not worry about returning to turn the TV off) My answer to this design "weakness" is that i run it 4 or 5 times consecutively when out of synch areas appear. It's a drag, but that's a design issue to be taken up with Panny. My main point being that some accidental IR is not a life sentence, it is recoverable. And another point being that during scrolling, you may clearly see "dirty" areas and small frame lines long after you have had the TV. Don't freak, they are part of doing business with a plasma HDTV, they will have absolutely zero discernible effect on your viewing material

So:

-If you aren't in a hurry to break-in the TV, you can just watch regular programing. Keep the contrast at 50, (and you may learn that a TV with a wide native contrast, doesn't need the contrast jacked, anyway. Fundamentally, contrast is mostly a level gain for whites.) And keep the picture spread wide without bars. With average TV watching, this might be an inconvenience for what?, a few weeks?

- Should the set be touchy, and you get some IR. Scrub it off. They clean-up real nice.

-I don't doubt that some people take the TV home and nuke it in Vivid or game for 22 hours straight. Odds are, if they didn't care to know to care for it in the first place, they don't really care or even notice the consequences.

-Don't fret yourself. Since i started with audio equipment 40 yrs ago, a/v equipment with better than common performance (particularly at a tremendous value price), historically needs just a bit of thoughtfulness on the part of the owner to realize its optimal performance. Most everything has trade-offs. Those which don't, cost an arm and a leg.

- Enjoy your set. It has to have the best bucks to PQ ratio in this year's design generation.
post #6238 of 9991
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Originally Posted by gtbrothers View Post

I've had a 50" G15 for less than a week and just noticed that the screen is not centered behind the frame. There are black strips around the edges of the screen to prevent the viewing of circuits or wires from straight on viewing. These circuits or wires looks to be going straight into the screen. It looks like the screen is sitting about .25" to the left as I can see these circuits or wires sticking out about .25" on the right side of the screen.

I have the P50G10 and my set has this exact same issue. It's not a big deal for me.
post #6239 of 9991
what's the latest build date on the g10? i want to make sure i don't get one that's been sitting in the warehouse for months, i prefer my electronics "fresh"

54g10 from Sears.com, best deal right now! man, i'm not quite ready to buy now, but it's only $30 off my budget price that i was planning to spend 5-6 weeks from now. how much lower do you guys think this will go?
post #6240 of 9991
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

Hi again, thanks for your explaination,
The setting on your sigature for the 54".. are they meant to be for a fairly dark room?

No, they are what I can all purpose. I dont believe in night and day settings.

I use them all day long and all night long.

The only excpetion would be THX as those should be used in a dark room.

I recommend Standard as that is what I use. But I did calibtrate Standard,Custom, and THX.
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