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post #6931 of 9991
Hello all, I am new to the forums.

I bought a P50G10 today

After a couple weeks of research I went to Best Buy to look at some models and took a good look at the G10. Best Buy matched the Amazon sale price so I ended up paying $1,233 after tax. Best Buy's sale price is 1,499.99 so I think I got a good deal.

This thread is quite big and I'm specifically looking for advice on the break in period of the TV. I have a PS3 and if I need to I will avoid playing any games during the break in period to insure no damage to the TV. I have heard about the break in slides, is this included with the TV (I haven't had it delivered yet) Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
post #6932 of 9991
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Originally Posted by stp84 View Post

Hello all, I am new to the forums.

I bought a P50G10 today

After a couple weeks of research I went to Best Buy to look at some models and took a good look at the G10. Best Buy matched the Amazon sale price so I ended up paying $1,233 after tax. Best Buy's sale price is 1,499.99 so I think I got a good deal.

This thread is quite big and I'm specifically looking for advice on the break in period of the TV. I have a PS3 and if I need to I will avoid playing any games during the break in period to insure no damage to the TV. I have heard about the break in slides, is this included with the TV (I haven't had it delivered yet) Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Check this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=949107
post #6933 of 9991
Quote:
Originally Posted by stp84 View Post

Hello all, I am new to the forums.

I bought a P50G10 today

After a couple weeks of research I went to Best Buy to look at some models and took a good look at the G10. Best Buy matched the Amazon sale price so I ended up paying $1,233 after tax. Best Buy's sale price is 1,499.99 so I think I got a good deal.

This thread is quite big and I'm specifically looking for advice on the break in period of the TV. I have a PS3 and if I need to I will avoid playing any games during the break in period to insure no damage to the TV. I have heard about the break in slides, is this included with the TV (I haven't had it delivered yet) Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Congrats. You have got yourself the best selling plasma TV model in US. Break-in has several threads. Company's advise is watch it in full screen at half contrast/brightness level for the first 100 hours.
post #6934 of 9991
i think i figured out why i had a lot of image retention with the ninja gaiden health bar and attached emblem while i was playing Uncharted 2 today. While watching one of the first cutscenes that was in a beach setting, i noticed the palm leaves and boards of tables and chairs were overly enhanced to the point of distortion because they had a small surface area and the edge enhancement killed it. in custom mode i had my sharpness set at 75, which THX and a few other users have it set at.

I remember reading about the pixel orbiter and its "wobbling". the wobbling does a lot of good but it cant necessarily smooth out transitional areas of high contrast depending on how thick the object displayed and the number of colors in it (like a big fat lifebar with a border and added intricacies/undulations/contours/ect). when the sharpness is too high it creates aliasing through edge enhancement and (im hoping im right here) makes it near impossible for the orbiter to help out with static objects that get embedded in the static objects when they become distorted. i hope that sounds right/makes sense. when things are too sharp (non transparent hud objects) i suppose they cant be smoothed/wobbled that well.

anyway ive seen quite a few pq settings with the sharpness set at zero. it doesnt make the picture blurry (not like a crt there the sharpness is almost always in the middle/has to be used) when its set low/off. i ended up playing 5 hours of uncharted 2 today and it still looked great - and no retention on the blank, black field - save for that little clock symbol at the top right on the ps3 dash. and that not even for a whole screen wipe. not that there is a lot of HUD going on in Uncharted 2 but i was completely expecting to see a little pistol and ammo count in the top left of my tv when i was done.

its late and i have yet to try ninja gaiden again yet, but from staring at the dragon emblem on the life bar and seeing how obscenely defined it was on my screen hours after the fact, im heavily betting it was because the sharpness was too high and generated extra contours that were too enhanced to be smoothed by the orbiter.

ill set the sharpness low for games. i like it on movies...maybe not so high though as by default. when i turned up the sharpness on the game before i stopped, it look too edgy. im sure there is a little leeway from 30 to 0 but its barely imperceptible to my eyes.

On another note im pretty sure game mode turns off the orbiter to speed up the screen. if the orbiter could go any faster than a forced 1 minute orbit im sure they'd let you select it. game mode speeds up the screen by like 10ms or something ive heard. so it probably disables any kind of screen enhancements whatsoever. if the orbiter went faster for game mode im pretty sure you have a jittery-ass picture when youre trying to play game X that requires twitch reflexes.

anyway ill try ninja gaiden tomorrow and let you know if im right.

anyway heres a pic of the screenshot so you can see what im talking about with the lifebar/emblem...lot of stuff going on there that can get too edged-out.

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen001.jpg

hope that makes sense
post #6935 of 9991
Hello everyone,

I received my 54G10 today from Newegg. I thought I’d give my impressions of it to maybe help out if someone is doing research like I have been the last couple of months.

First, a little background…this is my second HDTV. I bought my first one on a whim at the end of July. I was looking at my 27” CRT thinking it would be nice to have something bigger. I went over to a local Best Buy that very day to check out what’s available. I ended up walking out with a 46” Samsung LCD (LN46B650). To his credit, the salesperson tried his best to steer me toward a 50” plasma, but I thought the LCD looked so much better and besides, I was there on one of our hottest days this summer. The LCD felt much cooler than the plasma so I thought I made the right choice. Let’s just say I know so much more now thanks to these forums.

Back to the 54G10…I ordered it last Wednesday from Newegg for a good price (under $1600 which was less than I paid for my 46” LCD). Pilot delivered it this afternoon and I signed for it after making sure the screen was intact. I was going to have my buddy help me put it on my wall mount after he got off work but I just couldn’t wait so I did it myself. Luckily, I got it up there fine without any damage to the TV or my ego.

I was a bit nervous when I turned it on after reading about some of the issues people have reported. All I can say now is I’m one happy camper.

The first thing I did after the basic setup was to tune to HBO (I have Fios HD if that matters) and check out the THX mode. I was expecting it to be too dark but it was perfect for me. I use my LCD set to movie mode with a backlight setting of 3 and this was the same brightness so I was good there.

Next, I popped in my Blackhawk Down Blu-ray to check out the 48 and 60hz settings. I immediately noticed the flickering on 48 and thought I will never use it again. I do see flickering on 60 also, but not as much. Later on in the evening I tried Casino Royale and watched the beginning chase scene. I noticed the flickering on the 48 setting but left it on and after awhile it didn’t bother me at all. I put in Blackhawk down again and it didn’t bother me as much as before, either. Maybe I’m building up a tolerance to it. I’ll have to play with the two modes some more to see which I’ll end up using.

After the Blu-ray, I set up vivid mode to the break in slide settings. I ran it awhile and looked for any screen imperfections…mainly bad pixels and uneven AR coating. I happy to say the pixels all seem fine and I don’t see any vertical banding.

The last concern I had was noise. I’m happy to say the only buzzing I hear is if I put my head behind the TV. None at all from the front. The cooling fans are also quiet. In fact, my BD80 Blu-ray player is louder than the TV.

To sum it all up, I’m very pleased with this TV so far and the Samsung LCD has been demoted to bedroom duty. I just wish I would have bought the Panasonic first.

Dave
post #6936 of 9991
Well I have sharp at 83 and notice IR only when screen is completely black. I usually clock in 1.5 hrs of madden on average.
post #6937 of 9991
I just got my P42G10 today, and I was fully aware of "phosphor trails" when looking into getting a plasma, although from everything I've read some people notice them more than others (I guess similar to the 48hz flicker for watching 1080/24 on this screen). What I didn't realize was just how sensitive some people might be; that is, if that's what I'm seeing and it's not a combination of judder and phosphor trails.

This television doesn't seem to be able to handle quick scrolling motions such as in a FPS when you circle strafe or an action adventure game (Batman running around a corner) when you pan the camera around quickly. I get almost a strobing effect of yellow>white>Blue flashes. This is kind of what I'm seeing, except it's not this prounced just by moving the camera back and forth, It only really stands out when panning around objects such as a corner. It's also producing what almost looks like a really bad LCD motion blur...which I thought plasmas were not supposed to be as bad at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfG9q...eature=related

I also figured out exactly what scenario is required to see this as well, because it's not on everything. It seems to only be really noticeable on anything either shiny or white. The yellow trails of doom are especially noticeable in Batman (and Dead Space from what I've heard) if you go outside in any of the areas where you see a bunch of street lamps and pan the screen...it's pretty garish.

Also, I keep reading that during the "break in period" it's a good practice to try to keep both your contrast and brightness at 50 as the highest setting. Well, for me at least 50/50 in a dark room seems to be about perfect, so I'm not sure why I would even want to raise it later on unless there are some details I would be missing. I also don't find THX mode to be too dark either. Custom looks great, but in a completely dark room it's a bit too bright for movies, although it's probably the best screen for games.
post #6938 of 9991
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Originally Posted by zetram View Post

Well I have sharp at 83 and notice IR only when screen is completely black. I usually clock in 1.5 hrs of madden on average.

well i tried it. it definetly wasnt as steeped into the picture as it normally is after playing. i played approximately 26 minutes and you can see it on the black field, with a bit of color in it as well. actually i probably should have zoomed it, being as those pixels are already aged differently, just to see if it stuck on another area. no matter how long the gap between when i play ninja gaiden i can still see the outline of the bar and emblem on a black screen, but it is a lot fainter after a movie marathon. im going to go do a wipe and see what happens.
post #6939 of 9991
sometimes games have a blurring effect when you spin to make things more visceral. gears of war does it and uncharted does it. i wouldnt be surprised if batman does it also. also what kind of connection are you using?
post #6940 of 9991
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Originally Posted by amplive View Post

Two questions:

1) What would happen if I watched alot of sports that display the scores on the screen most of the game? Bad idea? Or would it be ok because of the commercials and all that?

I have a LN40B650 I just got, but am still in my 30 day return policy, in case I change my mind.

I watch sports more than anything you have nothing to worry about, and if you really pay attention, which i never did till i started playing fantasy football....on some broadcast the scores and/or ticker dont STAY there as much as you think, they come down on replays and some cuts to interviews and other circumstances. dont worry about it.....dont know about the panning thing some peoples eyes pick that up differently than others.
post #6941 of 9991
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Originally Posted by Dinan View Post

PENDRAG0ON can you post a pic of your tv acting up?

I honestly don't think that even a high end camera could pick it up, let alone my Razr's camera.

If you want to see it go play Dead Space or Fallout 3, both have plenty of areas that show it. (Fallout 3's skies danced as I moved) Movies are harder becasue so many of them have grain in the souce and those are what show it best (it makes the grain much more visible)
post #6942 of 9991
anybody know how to turn off the automatic screensaver that pops up after a while???

when using the SD card mode to do my break in I cant sleep and leave it

update
I called panasonic
they said the auto screesaver turns onn after 7minutes which is false by my counting
and that theres no way to turn it off
I cant imagine this being true as people here would be going nuts trying to do the break in


also i couldnt get him to send my a FW upgrade lol
post #6943 of 9991
Love it so far! I will be playing with the settings over the next several days but it already looks stunning to me. This is my first HDTV so anything would have been an upgrade. Thanks to everyone who posts to this thread - it has been a lot of help to me!
post #6944 of 9991
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Originally Posted by Dinan View Post

sometimes games have a blurring effect when you spin to make things more visceral. gears of war does it and uncharted does it. i wouldnt be surprised if batman does it also. also what kind of connection are you using?

Dinan - noticed your post about the sharpness setting. Sharpness controls are an artifact left over from the 1950's when color TV was first introduced. Since the color spectrum took over part of the bandwidth and made the earliest color sets look rather unfocused, the sharpness control was added to remedy this. What sharpness does is add video noise making edges look edgier. The affect can be seen best on a straight line when you see hair growing off of it. This setting is not required at all on digital TV sets (really not on analog either for the last 25 years). Most experts recommend the setting be turned off (zero on the Panasonic - mid-point on other brads). Sorry to hear that this didn't resolve all of your IR problems. When the set reaches 200-300 hours, normally you should see IR become less of a problem as the phosphors become hardened or more completely broken in. I am not a gamer, but love college and professional football and college basketball. Will watch games all day long, but every time one game has a commercial, will flip to one of the other games to see what is going on and stay there until they have a commercial. Have never seen a hint of IR on my current V10 or on my three year old 42-px60. Just wish I could find a way to fast forward through the commercials on live TV (like in Spaceballs).
post #6945 of 9991
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSET View Post

anybody know how to turn off the automatic screensaver that pops up after a while???

when using the SD card mode to do my break in I cant sleep and leave it

update
I called panasonic
they said the auto screesaver turns onn after 7minutes which is false by my counting
and that theres no way to turn it off
I cant imagine this being true as people here would be going nuts trying to do the break in


also i couldnt get him to send my a FW upgrade lol

DSET - I have never seen the auto screen saver pop up. This is supposed to happen only when the screen remains static for a fixed amount of time in SD mode. You say this is happening while running the break-in images from an SD card. Do you have the images set to advance every 30 seconds and are they hi-def images?

Based on a quick look at both the G10 and V10 manuals, there is no mention of the time interval for the screen saver, only that it will come on as described above. Also, no mention of any way to turn it off.
post #6946 of 9991
Request for long term users (500 plus hours) . How do you watch 4:3 content? With side bars bright or mid or low or completely shut off or mixing up? I have been using bright. I have a feeling it may not be a good idea. Any thoughts?
post #6947 of 9991
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Originally Posted by vkarthik View Post

Request for long term users (500 plus hours) . How do you watch 4:3 content? With side bars bright or mid or low or completely shut off or mixing up? I have been using bright. I have a feeling it may not be a good idea. Any thoughts?

I always use "JUST".
post #6948 of 9991
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Originally Posted by Dinan View Post

sometimes games have a blurring effect when you spin to make things more visceral. gears of war does it and uncharted does it. i wouldnt be surprised if batman does it also. also what kind of connection are you using?

I know the difference between intended blurring for effect and LCD (or some other source) blur. This is definitely not a case of "working as intended". And I'm using HDMI and both systems are set to 1080p.

I haven't had a whole lot of time to try out every game I have on the 360 and I only own two right now for the PS3, but for the three or so hours I played Demon's Souls (PS3) I noticed nothing at all out of the ordinary. No blurring, no phosphor trails, nothing. The game is very dark though and I've yet to see any pure white objects that illuminate, or some other extremely shiny object that would produce the same effect seen in Batman (360).

As a side note, I was coming from a 36 inch Trinitron through component and was expecting to be blown away by 1080p. I thought the same thing when I saw games on my friends crappy LCD (this is not a knock on LCD, his screen really is a generic Wal-Mart special) but just assumed it was his tv. I'm definitely not complaining at all about the picture quality on the Panasonic, and the screen size trumps my other tv by a large margin, but was it a case of component through my old television just looking better than average for 480p or would I need to do a side by side comparison to actually notice a huge difference? About the only thing I could tell from playing Batman was that some of the water effects were "shinier" and I could see the bump mapping on his outfit farther away from the screen. Text is also easier to read, but that's a given.
post #6949 of 9991
Yeah, the auto screen saver is annoying... don't know why the end user can't adjust it through menus.

- Dana Abboud
post #6950 of 9991
Quote:
Originally Posted by drfreeman60 View Post

DSET - I have never seen the auto screen saver pop up. This is supposed to happen only when the screen remains static for a fixed amount of time in SD mode. You say this is happening while running the break-in images from an SD card. Do you have the images set to advance every 30 seconds and are they hi-def images?

Based on a quick look at both the G10 and V10 manuals, there is no mention of the time interval for the screen saver, only that it will come on as described above. Also, no mention of any way to turn it off.

yes i have it on slow and repeat

I turned off the auto standby shutdown modes under the eco settings
I dunno if that helped but im pretty sure that was off before

anyways
im on my third hour right now and its still going fine
I hope maybe it was just a glitch the first time around

yesterday night i slept for about 10hours and somehwere along the lines it happend its basically the first problem located under the FAQ page on the manual

thanks for the help
post #6951 of 9991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plasmoidial View Post

I just got my P42G10 today, and I was fully aware of "phosphor trails" when looking into getting a plasma, although from everything I've read some people notice them more than others (I guess similar to the 48hz flicker for watching 1080/24 on this screen). What I didn't realize was just how sensitive some people might be; that is, if that's what I'm seeing and it's not a combination of judder and phosphor trails.

This television doesn't seem to be able to handle quick scrolling motions such as in a FPS when you circle strafe or an action adventure game (Batman running around a corner) when you pan the camera around quickly. I get almost a strobing effect of yellow>white>Blue flashes. This is kind of what I'm seeing, except it's not this prounced just by moving the camera back and forth, It only really stands out when panning around objects such as a corner. It's also producing what almost looks like a really bad LCD motion blur...which I thought plasmas were not supposed to be as bad at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfG9q...eature=related

I also figured out exactly what scenario is required to see this as well, because it's not on everything. It seems to only be really noticeable on anything either shiny or white. The yellow trails of doom are especially noticeable in Batman (and Dead Space from what I've heard) if you go outside in any of the areas where you see a bunch of street lamps and pan the screen...it's pretty garish.

Also, I keep reading that during the "break in period" it's a good practice to try to keep both your contrast and brightness at 50 as the highest setting. Well, for me at least 50/50 in a dark room seems to be about perfect, so I'm not sure why I would even want to raise it later on unless there are some details I would be missing. I also don't find THX mode to be too dark either. Custom looks great, but in a completely dark room it's a bit too bright for movies, although it's probably the best screen for games.

h


my take at this, since I too have the 42G10, is to
1) get the break in slides, and under go the breakk-in process
2) i ran mine for 7 days, 24 hours
3) used mike settings (game input label, standard settings)
and i did not notice the strobing effect. hmm, could it be your screen??
hopefully it goes away after the break-in,
post #6952 of 9991
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Originally Posted by Esmortz View Post

I have been lurking for a while and am close to pulling trigger on G10 and I noticed the "graininess" on the display model playing a Bluray at the best buy I went to as well. Then I read the Game Informer review which also mentioned "graininess" .. now I am a little gun shy.

Is this a new probem popping up on newer sets or an improperly set up unit??

when i originally saw the G10 at a local sears dealer, it was not that great. (color, grainess etc) but on another local dealer, it was fantastic.
so i atrribute this to a setup problem. i pulled the trigger and am totally amazed with it;s performance
post #6953 of 9991
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Originally Posted by joeyipsc View Post

h


my take at this, since I too have the 42G10, is to
1) get the break in slides, and under go the breakk-in process
2) i ran mine for 7 days, 24 hours
3) used mike settings (game input label, standard settings)
and i did not notice the strobing effect. hmm, could it be your screen??
hopefully it goes away after the break-in,

Labeling inputs "Game" just allows you to hit the Game button on the remote to toggle those inputs, it doesn't actually change anything about the picture mode or any processes. I am running the slide show whenever I'm not using the television for gaming (I'll only game on it maybe 2-3 hours a day for now) or not asleep. If you actually have the Batman game you can easily reproduce this effect in the courtyard or while panning the screen or when inside and you roll around or just pan the screen around a corner (it's not every corner either, just the shinier ones or especially something that's a bright white).

Hopefully it does lessen after the break in period, but I'm not holding my breath. The good news at least though is that it doesn't seem to happen in every game that I've tried so far and it's also under very specific situations, it doesn't always do this while panning. So at worst I can live with it happening occasionally as long as no other unwanted issues crop up later on.

As a side note, I also noticed the "sandstorm" effect when sitting...one foot away from the screen. That's not a normal viewing distance, especially on a larger screen size. I don't notice any grainy effect what so ever when sitting 5+ feet away. Anyone complaining about it in a review either needs to actually sit at a proper viewing distance or they have a defective panel.
post #6954 of 9991
Why the G15 series are cheaper compare to the G10s and in some cases the g15 46" are $50 to $100 over the price of the g15 50"????
...should be a reason
post #6955 of 9991
QUESTION:

When watching 1080P Blu-Ray movies, should the 3:2 Pulldown option be grayed out when 24P Direct setting is set at 60hz? Because I've noticed that on mine that it is. I always thought that 3:2 Pulldown was the alternative to 24P Direct. So why is a grayed out? Is it because it is set on already and you just can't turn it off? Confused I am.
post #6956 of 9991
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Originally Posted by ledesma53 View Post

Why the G15 series are cheaper compare to the G10s and in some cases the g15 46" are $50 to $100 over the price of the g15 50"????
...should be a reason

no particular reason. Fluctuating prices of electronics. Just get whichever one is cheaper in your location. G10 tends to be more widely available as the G15 is supposed to be a regional model.

They're pretty much the same model except for some minor cosmetic differences which you can read about in the G15 topic.
post #6957 of 9991
Quote:
Originally Posted by ledesma53 View Post

Why the G15 series are cheaper compare to the G10s and in some cases the g15 46" are $50 to $100 over the price of the g15 50"????
...should be a reason

G15 = Thinner G10. You would expect G15 to be higher. If you get it for cheap go for it.
post #6958 of 9991
Just pulled the trigger on a 46G10 for my father's 75th birthday. I can't wait to see his face when he gets home next Friday.
post #6959 of 9991
I just bought a 42G10. I couldn't be more pleased with it so far.
post #6960 of 9991
I just joined the club. I have a 46G10 coming from Amazon in two weeks. It's fitting that I've been reading through this thread on Halloween, because now I'm going to be scared to death to even turn the TV on!

I don't think I'm going to go too insane with the break-in. I might run one of the slideshows for a little while, and I'll certainly avoid anything in 4:3. This won't even bother me, I've grown accustomed to watching all 4:3 stuff stretched to fullscreen on my old Sony widescreen CRT anyway. And I'm definitely not waiting 100 hours before I play a game on it; that just seems like complete overkill to me. Gaming is the whole reason I ended up going plasma, because of the rampant reports of ridiculous input lag on the latest Samsung LCDs.

I'm a lot less discerning viewer than I like to believe sometimes, so I'm pretty confident I won't have any issues.
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