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post #1381 of 4746
4/12/09 at 2:39pm
I watched The Hulk last night and Iron Man this morning, I was very happy to not see the problems some of the other members here are having. I have a 46B7100 using CNET settings with just a couple of changes. I orginally had a 46A750 but retuned it due to flashlighting problems.

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post #1382 of 4746
4/12/09 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Sold the 55" over a month ago to review the PN63B550. There is no perfect unit and there never will be. Every panel made now or in the future will have a sub-standard performance. These are created by humans and humans are not perfect. This is a revolutionary panel in my book !!

In fact anyone want to buy a lightly used PN63B550 As soon as chad is done with this one I will be moving forward. Probably to a PN58B850.

Thats what Im waiting to see. Any pricing on the 58" 850 yet? Or a ballpark??
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post #1383 of 4746
4/12/09 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by jasjenl View Post

Unfortunately I don't speak French (well, a very petite peu ). I didn't contact my dealer yet but I doubt there's actually something wrong with my set. I haven't tried all CNET settings yet, although my own settings are already pretty close to those. But I'll give that a try anyway.

Hi again,

It sounds like you're not really enjoying your set. It's completely reasonable to expect all people on the same couch to be able to enjoy more or less the same quality of picture from a TV set. And you would expect that out of the box, without having to tinker with other settings. You mention that not just moving to the side but moving up or down from the "sweetspot" results in a difference -- this is the opposite to what the CNET review says.

It's hard to say without really seeing the problem, but I would imagine that if it was a real issue, other owners would have brought it up by now. If you can get to a shop to check out a model on the shop floor to see if it has similar problems, that could help you decide if it really is a problem with your set or this TV in general. The best thing I think is to call the dealer.

I know that doesn't help much but sorry again to hear about the problem and I do hope you find a solution.
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post #1384 of 4746
4/12/09 at 3:26pm
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Hi again,

It sounds like you're not really enjoying your set. It's completely reasonable to expect all people on the same couch to be able to enjoy more or less the same quality of picture from a TV set. And you would expect that out of the box, without having to tinker with other settings. You mention that not just moving to the side but moving up or down from the "sweetspot" results in a difference -- this is the opposite to what the CNET review says.

It's hard to say without really seeing the problem, but I would imagine that if it was a real issue, other owners would have brought it up by now. If you can get to a shop to check out a model on the shop floor to see if it has similar problems, that could help you decide if it really is a problem with your set or this TV in general. The best thing I think is to call the dealer.

I know that doesn't help much but sorry again to hear about the problem and I do hope you find a solution.

I will go to the shop again next week and check out the differences between the screen they have over there and the one I have at home. I have made some picture to illustrate the viewing angle (also posted on some other forums), you can really see the difference in colour and blacklevel here.






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post #1385 of 4746
4/12/09 at 3:36pm
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I will go to the shop again next week and check out the differences between the screen they have over there and the one I have at home. I have made some picture to illustrate the viewing angle (also posted on some other forums), you can really see the difference in colour and blacklevel here.

It's pretty bad all right. The colour just seems to be draining from the set. I'll check in my store nearby too -- I know what I should be looking for.
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post #1386 of 4746
4/12/09 at 4:04pm
Why is the 9000 series only in 2 sizes? Where's the 55"? I might have to wait until next year for the next models.
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post #1387 of 4746
4/12/09 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by jasjenl View Post

I will go to the shop again next week and check out the differences between the screen they have over there and the one I have at home. I have made some picture to illustrate the viewing angle (also posted on some other forums), you can really see the difference in colour and blacklevel here.







There is nothing wrong with your set. That is the biggest problem with lcd sets.

More than 30 or 40 degrees off angle from the sweet spot ALL lcd's drop off on color and contrast. If you read the online reviews, they say that the led lcd's have an even worse dropoff than standard ccfl sets.I am not bashing lcd's, it is just inherent to the lcd design.

I may be purchasing one of these samsungs very soon and do not have to worry about sitting anywhere but the sweet spot

If you want wide viewing angles that all have the same color/contrast you have 3 choices..... crt, plasma, or front projection.

Good luck.
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post #1388 of 4746
4/12/09 at 4:27pm
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You forgot the last paragraph.

That said, in most dark scenes the backlight was not distracting. A good example is when Smith goes after his dog in the warehouse at the end of Chapter 8; watching this entire five-minute sequence, which occurs mostly in the dark, it was free of noticeable fluctuations. The same went for the nighttime scene at the beginning of Chapter 3 in "Earth" when Jennifer Connelly approaches the military academy. In both of these scenes, shadow detail and black levels were very good; better than the A650 and generally equal to the other LED-based LCDs, albeit not to the two plasmas.

Anyone can set the black level with a simple test pattern. Why then doesn't Cnet take the 10 minutes to calibrate the black level, even when it's available from the user menu?

Tell us how do you like the shadow shadow detail in the bottom picture:

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post #1389 of 4746
4/12/09 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

Anyone can set the black level with a simple test pattern. Why then doesn't Cnet take the 10 minutes to calibrate the black level, even when it's available from the user menu?

Tell us how do you like the shadow shadow detail in the bottom picture:


I took those pictures merely to show the difference in dimming. The bottom picture doesn't really have any shadow detail because, except for the station logo and osd of the stb, the screen was all black

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Originally Posted by dav65mus View Post

There is nothing wrong with your set. That is the biggest problem with lcd sets.

More than 30 or 40 degrees off angle from the sweet spot ALL lcd's drop off on color and contrast. If you read the online reviews, they say that the led lcd's have an even worse dropoff than standard ccfl sets.I am not bashing lcd's, it is just inherent to the lcd design.

I may be purchasing one of these samsungs very soon and do not have to worry about sitting anywhere but the sweet spot

If you want wide viewing angles that all have the same color/contrast you have 3 choices..... crt, plasma, or front projection.

Good luck.

Luckily I already have a front projector, but for regular tv viewing I needed a flatscreen to replace my otherwise still perfectly fine working Loewe CRT, because in my living room combining a big CRT on the same wall as a projection screen wasn't an option. While I agree that plasma doesn't have the viewing angle issues and overall has many advantages over LCD, I'm unfortunately very sensitive for the typical plasma problems like phosphor trailing and plainbows, which is why I decided to go for LCD. However, I may need to reconsider that decision..
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post #1390 of 4746
4/12/09 at 4:57pm
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Thats what Im waiting to see. Any pricing on the 58" 850 yet? Or a ballpark??

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post #1391 of 4746
4/12/09 at 5:37pm
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I have watched a couple movies with black bars and have also noticed very little flashlighting during that, but again it was nothing that distracted from the picture. Also during 300 I felt like there was a lot of details in the darker scenes.

What did you set the backlit to?
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post #1392 of 4746
4/12/09 at 6:32pm
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What did you set the backlit to?

Try the cnet movie settings here and make your own adjustments.Their backlight is at 3 but i put mine at 4 and lowered the gamma back to 0.

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19410_10...&tag=mncol;txt
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post #1393 of 4746
4/12/09 at 6:50pm
Hello- I recently had this stunning set installed. I'm stepping up from a 3 year old 32" sammy. I'm blown away by this TV. I'm not a TV enthusiast (though I am enthusiastic about this set) so I was shocked to notice a 3d effect on HD programs. (What's up with that?) On top of that, shows like Stargate, look like they were recorded on Video Tape. They have that live "feel" like the news, or a soap opera. Shocking. (to me). This is incredible.

Now I need to learn how to calibrate this thing. Any suggestions?
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post #1394 of 4746
4/12/09 at 6:55pm
If you don't like the 3D effect, turn off the AMP setting.
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post #1395 of 4746
4/12/09 at 6:56pm
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I was just at Best Buy and they said the B750 will be in the store on May 3rd. At that time I will make my decision on whether I keep my 7100 or trade it in for the B750. The sales guy was very nice. Told me that they would bring the new set to my house and exchange it for the old set with no delivery cost. Obviously I will get some $$$ back. We shall see!

I saw a 46B750 at local Fry's. It was placed side by side with a 46A850. I think B750 has a little better picture than the 850. Both the sets I put Standard - backlight 8. I was able to see a flashlight (lower left hand corner) in the B750 in the broad day-light (I mean Fry's light). The flashlight was pretty bad. Otherwise, the B750 looked pretty good.
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post #1396 of 4746
4/12/09 at 7:07pm
I like it! It's amazing. (I'm sure some film enthusiasts have an issue with this mode though.)
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post #1397 of 4746
4/12/09 at 7:20pm
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What did you set the backlit to?

backlight is set to 4
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post #1398 of 4746
4/12/09 at 9:07pm
How is the 3D effect, annoying and only impressive for five minutes, or something you would use during normal viewing? It really made colors pop off of the screen on the store model, I wonder how it is during regular use.
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post #1399 of 4746
4/12/09 at 9:12pm
I got a question about those 2 pics from a few posts ago. How is one pic so clear and the other is dark? What is being done in the settings to get them that way? I'm not understanding what happened there.
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post #1400 of 4746
4/12/09 at 9:26pm
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I got a question about those 2 pics from a few posts ago. How is one pic so clear and the other is dark? What is being done in the settings to get them that way? I'm not understanding what happened there.

The settings are the same, the poster just wanted to show how if there's a dark scene, everything else gets dimmer when it shouldn't, in this case, the logo.
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post #1401 of 4746
4/12/09 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by MICHAELSD View Post

How is the 3D effect, annoying and only impressive for five minutes, or something you would use during normal viewing. It really made colors pop off of the screen on the store model, I wonder how it is during regular use.

It's adjustable and something you get used to and most eventually like. Keep moving up the settings a bit every day and in two weeks you will never want a set without it again.
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post #1402 of 4746
4/12/09 at 9:48pm
does anyone know if the 9000 series will use local dimming? the delivery date and screen sizes?
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post #1403 of 4746
4/12/09 at 10:04pm
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Originally Posted by kenw232 View Post

does anyone know if the 9000 series will use local dimming? the delivery date and screen sizes?

Expected in the fall and to use LD. Since it's a flagship product it should go to 55"
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post #1404 of 4746
4/12/09 at 10:53pm
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Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

It's adjustable and something you get used to and most eventually like. Keep moving up the settings a bit every day and in two weeks you will never want a set without it again.

most eventually like? is that true? most people like the added motion enhancement to the extent it is unnatural and artificial?

i have just the opposite impression from comments here and from reviewers.

is this your own estimation or is there actual data on this?


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post #1405 of 4746
4/12/09 at 10:57pm
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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

most eventually like? is that true? most people like the added motion enhancement to the extent it is unnatural and artificial?

i have just the opposite impression from comments here and from reviewers.

is this your own estimation or is there actual data on this?


TVbc

Yes, it's a secret undercover study I commissioned. We purposely did not poll you.
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post #1406 of 4746
4/12/09 at 11:35pm
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Yes, it's a secret undercover study I commissioned. We purposely did not poll you.

Clearly I was not part of that pole as well. I had AMP off on my A650 for most things and have it off on this set as well.
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post #1407 of 4746
4/12/09 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

Yes, it's a secret undercover study I commissioned. We purposely did not poll you.

there is no need for a smartarse response. it is a direct question to an unqualified comment of yours that i made in earnest.

i'll take from your non-answer you were just making it up.

TVbc
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post #1408 of 4746
4/13/09 at 12:40am
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Originally Posted by dav65mus View Post

There is nothing wrong with your set. That is the biggest problem with lcd sets.

More than 30 or 40 degrees off angle from the sweet spot ALL lcd's drop off on color and contrast. If you read the online reviews, they say that the led lcd's have an even worse dropoff than standard ccfl sets.I am not bashing lcd's, it is just inherent to the lcd design.

I may be purchasing one of these samsungs very soon and do not have to worry about sitting anywhere but the sweet spot

If you want wide viewing angles that all have the same color/contrast you have 3 choices..... crt, plasma, or front projection.

Good luck.

The issue isn't with acute angles. The poster is saying the problem is noticeable when you move one place to the left or right on the couch from the sweet spot.
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post #1409 of 4746
4/13/09 at 2:20am
I think that when the 1" thick 240hz LED back lit LG LH95 comes out in late May or early June it will outperform both the Samsungs and the Sony`s.I am not sure wether the LCD is Edge-lit or Array Lit however,judging by the slimness,it has to be edge-lit.I don`t know if they can go that thin using array-lit LED LCD`s

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...xiest-as-well/
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post #1410 of 4746
4/13/09 at 6:05am
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Clearly I was not part of that pole as well. I had AMP off on my A650 for most things and have it off on this set as well.

We tried to contact you but you were too busy doing your daily return of your TV
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