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post #61 of 4749
Can somebody tell me the difference between the 6000 and 6100 or 7000 and 7100? Is it just cosmetic?
post #62 of 4749
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Originally Posted by zglass2 View Post

BB employee told me the same thing today-no QAM tuner. Also said no S-Video or Composite Input which is a bit surprising-this was verified by looking at the back of the set.

If the turner bit is true I'm also out, that is inexcuseable. Looks like a 950 for my 2nd Samsung set to complement the 850.

If that's true re: no QAM, that's a really poor decision by Samsung.

That'd be a deal breaker for me.
post #63 of 4749
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Originally Posted by The Catalyst View Post

If that's true re: no QAM, that's a really poor decision by Samsung.

That'd be a deal breaker for me.

The same holds true for me. I really cant believe this as I have a number of tuners and they all have QAM tuners. I've got to believe this is a just a lack of information from Samsung. It seems the details on this new line of TVs is top secret. I asked to see the manual today at BB and the guy said they didn't have one, then changed his story slightly when pressed that he just couldn't find it. And it wasn't like they had just one of these models so I'm calling BS. This doesn't make sense unless they are trying to hide something.
post #64 of 4749
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Originally Posted by Chixdiggit View Post

Can somebody tell me the difference between the 6000 and 6100 or 7000 and 7100? Is it just cosmetic?



Samsung 7000 Series | LN407000, LN467000, LN557000

Ultra-Slim LED HDTV with Auto Motion Plus 120Hz. Available in 40-inch, 46-inch, and 55-inch sizes. Ultra Slim Design in semi-transparent ruby with dewdrop-like lighting effect. The Samsung 7000 series also features Internet@TV technology.


Samsung 6000 Series | LN406000, LN466000, LN556000

Eco-Friendly LED LCD HDTV with Auto Motion Plus 120Hz. Available in 40-inch, 46-inch, and 55-inch sizes. 40%+ decrease power consumption versus traditional LCD HDTVs of similar size. The Samsung 6000 series does not feature Internet@TV, but Samsung's InfoLive technology.
post #65 of 4749
No QAM tuner? When everyone is trying to drop analog transmission? That's just strange.
post #66 of 4749
They claim on abt and best buy there is a QAM tuner..On the LED 6,7,8 series they claim 40% more efficiency on all luxia models..then traditional ccfl lcds...
post #67 of 4749
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Samsung 7000 Series | LN407000, LN467000, LN557000

Ultra-Slim LED HDTV with Auto Motion Plus 120Hz. Available in 40-inch, 46-inch, and 55-inch sizes. Ultra Slim Design in semi-transparent ruby with dewdrop-like lighting effect. The Samsung 7000 series also features Internet@TV technology.


Samsung 6000 Series | LN406000, LN466000, LN556000

Eco-Friendly LED LCD HDTV with Auto Motion Plus 120Hz. Available in 40-inch, 46-inch, and 55-inch sizes. 40%+ decrease power consumption versus traditional LCD HDTVs of similar size. The Samsung 6000 series does not feature Internet@TV, but Samsung's InfoLive technology.

Thanks Cleveland. But what I meant to ask is what the extra "100" is. Like what is the difference between the 6000 and the 6100?
post #68 of 4749
Samsung has updated their web site with these TVs.
post #69 of 4749
Thanks for the headsup Joe.
post #70 of 4749
Thanks Joe. So to confirm, the only difference between the 6000 and 7000 series is the internet features found in the 7000. They both have DTV Tuners built-in, but no mention of QAM on either; does DTV automatically include QAM? It's a shame they list the contrast ratio only as "Mega-Dynamic", instead of giving an actual number.
post #71 of 4749
They probably mean 1,000,000:1 when they say Mega-Dynamic. Not that the marketed value is useful, regardless.
post #72 of 4749
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

They probably mean 1,000,000:1 when they say Mega-Dynamic. Not that the marketed value is useful, regardless.

I find it useful when comparing displays from the same manufacturer, but that is all yes.

Another spec I'm very curious to see which also isn't mentioned is response time. Are they 4ms, 2ms, or something terribly slow?
post #73 of 4749
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

I find it useful when comparing displays from the same manufacturer, but that is all yes.

Another spec I'm very curious to see which also isn't mentioned is response time. Are they 4ms, 2ms, or something terribly slow?

6000 and 7100 are 4ms and 120 hz
8000 is 2ms and 240 hz
post #74 of 4749
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Originally Posted by rtiffy View Post

6000 and 7100 are 4ms and 120 hz
8000 is 2ms and 240 hz

Now if we could just get a release date on the 8000 I would be happy...

2ms seems pretty darn fast. Are there are lot of other larger sets, i.e. 46" or 55", that do 2ms?
post #75 of 4749
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I happened to get a UN55B7100.



mmm, that's purty...
post #76 of 4749
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Originally Posted by The Catalyst View Post

If that's true re: no QAM, that's a really poor decision by Samsung.

That'd be a deal breaker for me.

I believe there is a QAM in the tuner. The TV allows you to attach an antenna to the back for OTA broadcasts and that would require a QAM to decode, correct?
post #77 of 4749
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Originally Posted by David_AD View Post

I believe there is a QAM in the tuner. The TV allows you to attach an antenna to the back for OTA broadcasts and that would require a QAM to decode, correct?

no. QAM tuner is for receiving digital cable. ATSC tuner is for digital OTA,over the air. NTSC is regular analog tuner.

TVbc
post #78 of 4749
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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

no. QAM tuner is for receiving digital cable. ATSC tuner is for digital OTA,over the air. NTSC is regular analog tuner.

TVbc

Then what's a DTV Tuner? Because that's what Samsung's website says the 6000's and 7000's have built-in.
post #79 of 4749
Hi all,

For the new 8000 series, europe seems to be getting the 40 and 46 inch versions. Does anyone know if well be getting those sizes in US/Canada?

Thanks!
post #80 of 4749
Interesting from Wikipedia. (Would be nice to find out if these TVs have QAM in them):

"The availability of QAM HD programming is rarely described or publicized in cable company product literature. If cable providers provide rebroadcasts of locally aired programming, they must also carry rebroadcasts of high-definition digital locally aired programming, in an unencrypted form, that does not require the customer to use leased equipment, per FCC Sec. 76.630 and CFR Title 47, §76.901(a). These usually include the local affiliates for CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, and FOX, and the cable providers comply by rebroadcasting them over QAM channels. The law does not require the cable provider to advertise their availability, and the cable customer service representatives are known to unequivocally (and incorrectly) insist to customers that a converter box is mandatory to view any HD channels."
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"Unlike the case with ATSC tuners there is no FCC requirement that QAM tuners be included in new television sets..."

So basically, QAM and ATSC are the same thing with a difference that QAM gets only unencrypted channels (which those who don't have set up cable boxes are exactly interested in).
post #81 of 4749
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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

no. QAM tuner is for receiving digital cable. ATSC tuner is for digital OTA,over the air. NTSC is regular analog tuner.

TVbc

This is a quote from the E manual for the 7000/7100

"List of Features
Excellent Digital Interface & Networking: With a built-in HD digital tuner, non-subscription HD broadcasts can be viewed with no Cable Box/Satellite reciever (Set Top Box) needed."

This seems to imply that a QAM tuner is included because it mentions non-subscription HD broadcasts. (I'm assuming that OTA broadcasts would not have an option for a subscription...)
post #82 of 4749
I'm not sure if it is built in or not, but on my 55" 7100 I get some unencrypted channels like stars and such even though I have the most basic cable imaginable.

Does anyone know what auto-motion setting I should use with a gaming console such as a 360? I am used to my sammy 3253h lcd and how smooth it was, seemed pretty synced up with the console. On this big tv though, I just can't get the same feeling, as if the picture is either too fast or too slow with the environment, that's the best I can describe it.

Other than that the tv is awesome, I still need to calibrate it or get someones settings if they have it done, there is too much to tweak on this thing.
post #83 of 4749
Here are a few photos of my setup, the tv is friggin massive in person, you can see the 360 controller to get an idea of how big it is. I wasn't kidding in the calibration thread when I said it was waaaay too big for my room, haha.







Not the best camera, I had the iso set to high, but it is still kinda blurry. Give me suggestions for tweaks and stuff for the tv and I will try to answer questions if I can.
post #84 of 4749
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Originally Posted by Italiano86 View Post

Does anyone know what auto-motion setting I should use with a gaming console such as a 360?

I'd recommend none, for everything.
post #85 of 4749
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Originally Posted by Italiano86 View Post

Does anyone know what auto-motion setting I should use with a gaming console such as a 360? I am used to my sammy 3253h lcd and how smooth it was, seemed pretty synced up with the console. On this big tv though, I just can't get the same feeling, as if the picture is either too fast or too slow with the environment, that's the best I can describe it.

sounds like input lag? I usually use AMP with action games like Metal Gear Solid 4 for instance or sports games like NHL 09.

can you give us some other impressions of your new tv? A lot of people want to know how good the black levels are and the uniformity of the screen. could you take a pic in a dark room with a black screen? we're wondering how the black levels compare to the samsung 950 LED and if there's flashlight/clouding.
post #86 of 4749
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Originally Posted by poiv3 View Post

Interesting from Wikipedia. (Would be nice to find out if these TVs have QAM in them):

"The availability of QAM HD programming is rarely described or publicized in cable company product literature. If cable providers provide rebroadcasts of locally aired programming, they must also carry rebroadcasts of high-definition digital locally aired programming, in an unencrypted form, that does not require the customer to use leased equipment, per FCC Sec. 76.630 and CFR Title 47, §76.901(a). These usually include the local affiliates for CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, and FOX, and the cable providers comply by rebroadcasting them over QAM channels. The law does not require the cable provider to advertise their availability, and the cable customer service representatives are known to unequivocally (and incorrectly) insist to customers that a converter box is mandatory to view any HD channels."
...
"Unlike the case with ATSC tuners there is no FCC requirement that QAM tuners be included in new television sets..."

So basically, QAM and ATSC are the same thing with a difference that QAM gets only unencrypted channels (which those who don't have set up cable boxes are exactly interested in).

no that's incorrect. ATSC tuner is for OTA, not cable. the encrypted cable tuner is the cable box. QAM tuner displays the unencrypted cable.

TVbc
post #87 of 4749
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Originally Posted by David_AD View Post

This is a quote from the E manual for the 7000/7100

"List of Features
Excellent Digital Interface & Networking: With a built-in HD digital tuner, non-subscription HD broadcasts can be viewed with no Cable Box/Satellite reciever (Set Top Box) needed."

This seems to imply that a QAM tuner is included because it mentions non-subscription HD broadcasts. (I'm assuming that OTA broadcasts would not have an option for a subscription...)

nice info. nothing like real data. the description certainly matches QAM, strange they don't use this now common terminology -- perhaps in the specs?

no mention of ATSC or NTSC ?

TVbc
post #88 of 4749
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Originally Posted by Italiano86 View Post

Here are a few photos of my setup, the tv is friggin massive in person, you can see the 360 controller to get an idea of how big it is. I wasn't kidding in the calibration thread when I said it was waaaay too big for my room, haha.

"massive"? A 55" TV "massive"? I saw the 7100 at Best Buy today. It's a 55" TV, with a very thin frame, both around the screen and depth-wise; in fact, it barely has a "depth"

But "massive"? I'd call 60-65" and up that, maybe.

The TV would look really sweet hanging on a wall; closest thing to a hanging painting I've seen.
post #89 of 4749
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Originally Posted by eweiss View Post

"massive"? A 55" TV "massive"? I saw the 7100 at Best Buy today. It's a 55" TV, with a very thin frame, both around the screen and depth-wise; in fact, it barely has a "depth"

But "massive"? I'd call 60-65" and up that, maybe.

The TV would look really sweet hanging on a wall; closest thing to a hanging painting I've seen.

Massive is a relative term. Relative to a 40" TV - this one is massive.
post #90 of 4749
Ok so here's the question. I have a chance to get a UN55B7000 for dealer cost....is the 7000 the exact same set as the 7100 or is there a difference?
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