Official Samsung BD-P3600 Owners/Master thread - Page 60

Originally Posted by Bob McLaughlin

Just a heads up, I found out the hard way that your IP address can change. This might be common sense to someone with a computer tech background but it was a surprise to me. Anyway, I had the PC streaming function working fine from day one, but yesterday I moved my PC into a different room and made it access the internet wirelessly rather than directly plugged into the router as it had been. So the next time I tried using the PC streaming function from the Samsung, it couldn't find my computer with the old settings I had stored in the Samsung. I re-checked them and sure enough, my IP address had changed by two digits (the very last number went from a 2 to a 4.) Who knew?

Originally Posted by KHarper

Yet another audio clarification:

I have in my possession 3 BD discs: "Jumper" (20th Cent Fox); "State of Play" (Universal); and "Gran Torino" (Warner Bros.)

Once I thought I had my audio issues all worked out, I played Gran Torino, and as expected, I got 5.1 sound coming out of my receiver (I have HDMI from Samsung 3600 to TV; then optical from TV to receiver).

For the other two, however, all of the preliminary stuff on the disc seems to be in 5.1, but when the movie starts, my receiver display shows "PCM 48", and it is strictly 2.1.

The box for Gran Torino seems to say it has both Dolby True HD and Dolby Digital audio; the others are less clear. I assume this means the other two ONLY have the True HD or DTS HD soundtracks but lack encoding for the 5.1 sound, and as a result, neither the TV nor my receiver know how to decode it other than the smaller sound track.

Does this make sense?

And for my replacement receiver, to get around this, do I need a 7.1 receiver? If I have a choice, do I want HDMI from Samsung to receiver, then HDMI out from receiver to TV? Or do I want to just let the Samsung decode the audio and use the 7.1 analog outputs?

Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos

Does the receiver you are using now have internal decoders for TrueHD and DTS Master audio as well as an HDMI input with v1.3 repeater? Either way you need to change your wiring scheme around just a bit and I highly doubt you will need a new receiver even if it can decode the high resolution audio codecs and doesn't have an HDMI 1.3 (that's the beauty of the 3600!).

So here's what you should try. Regardless of what your receiver can do you need to run the hdmi out from the 3600 to your receiver and then another hdmi from the receiver out to your tv. And depending on your receiver capabilities you will need to set things up one of the following 2 ways:

1 Receiver can decode high res audio and has v1.3 hdmi. Set your 3600 to "bitstream audiophile). With this setting the 3600 will not touch the audio signal and send it completely undecoded to your much more capable receiver to do the job. With this setting you will see displayed on your receiver whatever the audio info on the back of the disk you are watching displayed (i.e. dts master, truehd, dolby digital, it just depends on the source). This is the optimum way to set it up as you also get to enjoy all the added bonuses having a receiver offers like prologic, speaker calibration, individual level controls, etc.

2 Your receiver cannot decode high res audio. Set your 3600 to "pcm." All that means is that your 3600 will do the decoding and send the info to the receiver which is now just a workhorse (slave) to the instructions it gets from the 3600. This setup is the exact same as if you were using the 7.1 analog outs on the back of the 3600, but instead it just passes it to the receiver thru the hdmi cable instead of having to use a handful of rca cables. You will also need to setup the "speakers" in the 3600 menu according to what you have (set everything to "small" that does not have a powered subwoofer in it regardless of the actual size of the speaker). All receiver settings and calibrations will be ignored with this setup and the display will not show trueHd or master audio but you will be getting identical quality audio anyway because your 3600 is doing the decoding.

Hope this helps. I know audio has gotten to be very confusing in recent years and that is in large part to keep the consumer thinking he needs to buy newer and better equipment when in fact a little time spent researching can be far more valuable and much less expensive. I personally hate getting "tricked" into spending more money with my own apathy. But if you actually do need/want to get a new receiver, God bless ya

Originally Posted by KHarper

Alas, the current receiver does NOT decode high-end audio like TrueHD, but does Dolby Digital and DTS (non-HD); it does not have any HDMI inputs; it has one digital optical input and one digital coax input. So, I can't route HDMI from 3600 to receiver, then receiver to TV. If I want to use the digital (HDMI) video feed to the tv, it has to go directly to the TV. Likewise, the TV only has digital optical out, and the 3600 has digital optical; but neither has digital coax out. The TV needs to be on the digital optical IN for the receiver for multi-channel sound on TV shows, so I can't even run the digital optical out from the 3600 to the receiver unless I invest in a converter. But then I would be sending whatever the digital optical out handles, which I understand from prior posts will NOT include the full TrueHD or DTS-HD signal.

What I've determined to be the case is: the HDMI is delivering the audio to my TV. My TV CAN decode Dolby Digital 5.1, but NOT DTS (because the Dolby is part of the HDTV standard, DTS is not). So, any DVD or Blu-Ray that has Dolby Digital 5.1 is handled by the TV, then delivered via optical to the receiver. Discs that have Dolby TrueHD or any DTS simply don't get through as multichannel, but are only 2-channel, and the receiver then compensates with the subwoofer and sometimes I can get fair emulation with Dolby Pro Logic. But if I want to always get multi-channel sound, I have concluded I need a new receiver that decodes the extended family of Dolby and DTS audio, and I need at least one HDMI input on the receiver.

Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos

I see... I misread your original post that had the question and assumed (incorrectly) that you were already running an HDMI cable to or from your current receiver. Rest assured, you might not have to count your receiver out yet. Does your receiver have multichannel analog inputs? If so you can copy my option 2 setup from my previous post then all you have to do is connect the multichannel outs on your 3600 to the corresponding multichannel inputs on your receiver and you will have all the high res audio that's avail. You would still leave your hdmi cable going from your 3600 directly to your tv.

One of your problems might be your tv, almost none of them have any decoding functionality to speak of and I don't think they really allow any audio pass thru but instead dumb audio signals down to whatever limited options they have then pass it on, which you seem to be experiencing. You should try and avoid sending audio to the tv at all costs if you can because they can really muck things up. Are you running your 3600 on "pcm" mode for your current setup? This would be the most advantageous option as the tv might pass thru a decoded audio signal.

Originally Posted by R2Dork

Could be wrong here, but I thought "anynet" was a Samsung thing only. I have my 3600 connected to a Samsung tv and when i turn on the player, the tv magically switches to the right input. Don't think it communicates w/different brands of gear.

Originally Posted by R2Dork

Could be wrong here, but I thought "anynet" was a Samsung thing only. I have my 3600 connected to a Samsung tv and when i turn on the player, the tv magically switches to the right input. Don't think it communicates w/different brands of gear.

Originally Posted by KHarper

Alas, the current receiver does NOT decode high-end audio like TrueHD, but does Dolby Digital and DTS (non-HD); it does not have any HDMI inputs; it has one digital optical input and one digital coax input. So, I can't route HDMI from 3600 to receiver, then receiver to TV. If I want to use the digital (HDMI) video feed to the tv, it has to go directly to the TV. Likewise, the TV only has digital optical out, and the 3600 has digital optical; but neither has digital coax out. The TV needs to be on the digital optical IN for the receiver for multi-channel sound on TV shows, so I can't even run the digital optical out from the 3600 to the receiver unless I invest in a converter. But then I would be sending whatever the digital optical out handles, which I understand from prior posts will NOT include the full TrueHD or DTS-HD signal.

What I've determined to be the case is: the HDMI is delivering the audio to my TV. My TV CAN decode Dolby Digital 5.1, but NOT DTS (because the Dolby is part of the HDTV standard, DTS is not). So, any DVD or Blu-Ray that has Dolby Digital 5.1 is handled by the TV, then delivered via optical to the receiver. Discs that have Dolby TrueHD or any DTS simply don't get through as multichannel, but are only 2-channel, and the receiver then compensates with the subwoofer and sometimes I can get fair emulation with Dolby Pro Logic. But if I want to always get multi-channel sound, I have concluded I need a new receiver that decodes the extended family of Dolby and DTS audio, and I need at least one HDMI input on the receiver.

Originally Posted by ox1216

Does ANYONE know if there is a way to rip Blu ray disk to a mass storage unit, then be able to play/stream them through the 3600??

-Alan

Originally Posted by KHarper

I have come up with an idea I think will work. My receiver has one digital optical input, dedicated to the TV; one digital coax, currently available. My TV decodes Dolby Digital 5.1, but nothing higher in the Dolby line and no DTS. BUT--I've found a converter box that is supposed to take digital optical and turn it into digital coax. I think I can feed that to the digital coax input on the receiver, which decodes DTS. I can then set my 3600 audio to Bitstream (reencode). If I read the manual correctly, that will decode the audio track of the blu-ray, then re-encode it to dts. If that is correct, I can then use this option to send DTS audio via optical out (then converted to digital coax) to my receiver to decode the DTS.

Originally Posted by R2Dork

Could be wrong here, but I thought "anynet" was a Samsung thing only. I have my 3600 connected to a Samsung tv and when i turn on the player, the tv magically switches to the right input. Don't think it communicates w/different brands of gear.

Originally Posted by 4mula1

Have you tried all of the settings on the 3600 (PCM, Bitstream/Re-encode & Bitstream/Audiophile)? Your tv might handle them differently and give you 5.1 surround instead of 2.0 on one of those settings. A quick check of the manual makes me think that Bitstream (Re-encode) would give you 5.1 sound.

Originally Posted by Sideofpotatos

Yeah, that sounds like it might work. May I ask why you have your receiver's digital optical input dedicated to the tv? If your receiver is powering speakers than you should have your tv volume turned off anyway to remove sound interference with what the receiver is doing (i.e. there should be no reason to send any audio to your tv at any time). In addition to all this the tv is getting all the audio info thru the hdmi connection already. I just can't think of a reason to have an optical connection between the tv and the receiver. In which case you should have the player set to "pcm" so that DTS signals don't get knocked down to 2.1 by your tv. It sounds like your receiver's one optical input would best be used to receive audio from the 3600 then you don't have to buy any more equip and it's a simpler setup. You can set output to "re-encode" and you'd be good to go.

Originally Posted by 4mula1

Maybe create MKV files from the Blu-ray. I have not ripped Blu-rays, so I don't know if MKV files are what is normally created or if you have to specifically create MKV files. But, I have watched 20GB MKV files created from Blu-ray movies on the 3600 from an external USB source.

Originally Posted by atlfilmguy

Has anyone gotten the new FW for Denon AVRs for the bitstream from the 3600?
Right now they have to be on PCM to function.

Originally Posted by teachsac

Which receiver line? Works fine for me with the 09 series.

S~

Originally Posted by ox1216

How do I create a "MKV" file from the blu ray disk? Do I have to have a blu ray player on my computer?

-Alan

Originally Posted by atlfilmguy

Thanks for the Anynet posts, I know that the anynet works when the 3600 is plugged into a tv directly, but there is some contention that it does not work when plugged through Denon AVRs. Are there other AVRs where it works?

Originally Posted by gtsum2

, also, after watching about 20 BD movies, I am not so sure this unit has the best pic - it seems a little soft for me (I doubt it is my tv, cuz I have my sammy b750 lcd dialed in close to perfect)...who knows? I think this is a case of you get what you pay for on a BD player