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post #31 of 156
3/14/09 at 2:04pm
A perfect 100 review always scares me, but its an animated film, so whatever.


I think the digital copy is actually the best thing out there right now. Inclusion of the DVD is fine, but in my case, I rather just have a digital copy on my iphone and just connect it to the TV if I want to watch an SD film (which is 99% never, but for travel its great).

Now I understand that most people have DVD players and not portable media players, but in my case, downloads are the future....

...for replacing portable SD content. The best HD will always be blu (or some disc format).
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post #32 of 156
3/14/09 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS View Post

A perfect 100 review always scares me, but its an animated film, so whatever.

Why ?
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post #33 of 156
3/14/09 at 4:34pm
This is just Amazing!
100 across the board!
Excellent review, and a must own title.

No wonder Ralph that you were concern about the playability of "Bolt" on your Panasonic
DMP-BD55?
Now that it is fixed, it was well worth it, to say the least!

With your review, you definitively convinced me to purchase this exceptional Blu-Ray
title.

Thanks a bunch,

_______
Bob
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post #34 of 156
3/14/09 at 4:54pm
I agree most of the time Ralph but this one on sound does not deserve a 100. You been tossing 100's around on sound on quit a few now. Personally 100 means perfection and should never be given. As you never know perfection till the BR is dead and no more made. Toss out 100 more and more leaves them meaning less and less. As this one sounds even better than transporter 3? Not to me.

Dont get me wrong Ralph but 100's should be rarely if ever be used especially so early in the life of BR. These movies are far from perfection.



Good review tho.
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post #35 of 156
3/14/09 at 5:59pm
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I agree most of the time Ralph but this one on sound does not deserve a 100. You been tossing 100's around on sound on quit a few now. Personally 100 means perfection and should never be given. As you never know perfection till the BR is dead and no more made. Toss out 100 more and more leaves them meaning less and less. As this one sounds even better than transporter 3? Not to me.

Dont get me wrong Ralph but 100's should be rarely if ever be used especially so early in the life of BR. These movies are far from perfection.



Good review tho.

Greetings,

I don't agree. I also don't like your use of the term "tossing around". I don't toss around scores of the discs that I review. It gets what it deserves in my opinion.

Once you have seen and heard the disc feel free to comment then...


Regards,
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post #36 of 156
3/14/09 at 9:25pm
Clearly reviews are subjective. But, I think Bolt absolutely deserves the 100%. It is a gorgeously plush looking movie with a very nice story line.

Spot on review and score.
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post #37 of 156
3/15/09 at 4:09am
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This will be the first kids' movie I buy on Blu Ray precisely because they FINNALY included a DVD version the kids can watch 100 times in every other room.

Absolutely! I've skipped plenty of Blu Ray releases for my 5YO precisely because she won't be able to watch it in the car. We'd just get the standard DVD instead (for example, we just bought Madagascar2 on DVD). The option to buy both in a single package is ideal. It wouldn't be nearly as big an issue for an adult movie, but for anything aimed at the kids, it's perfect.
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post #38 of 156
3/15/09 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

I don't agree. I also don't like your use of the term "tossing around". I don't toss around scores of the discs that I review. It gets what it deserves in my opinion.

Once you have seen and heard the disc feel free to comment then...


Regards,

You are not the only one who can get movies before launch. Appologize for the term toss it was meant to show loosely giving out 100 to much and it loses value.

Kinda like high def digest.

Just my opinion Ralph sorry to strike a nerve.


Guess my point is you have to take all the 100 movies you scored and then line them up. Looking back do some sound better than the others you gave a 100?
I am sure some do and that's my point.
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post #39 of 156
3/15/09 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by Stix2 View Post

You are not the only one who can get movies before launch. Appologize for the term toss it was meant to show loosely giving out 100 to much and it loses value.

Kinda like high def digest.

Just my opinion Ralph sorry to strike a nerve.


Guess my point is you have to take all the 100 movies you scored and then line them up. Looking back do some sound better than the others you gave a 100?
I am sure some do and that's my point.

Greetings,

Stix2, sorry to have jumped to a conclusion regarding whether or not you have seen this Blu-ray Disc. If you have then please accept my apology.

As far as lining up the few disc's that have received 100's I would say that they can't all be lumped into a single category. In looking at the attributes of each when taken as a whole the balance still nets them the same score. Comparing the soundtrack on Transporter 3 to this one is a perfect example. This isn't a bombastic, action style film however its elements contain similar dynamic capabilities, use of the surround platform and powerful low frequency effects. I couldn't find fault with this soundtrack in any rating category. That nets its score. I don't rate discs that I have given scores to against one another, whether it got 100 or not.

As far as one sounding better than the other I would again disagree with the use of that terminology. Better no.Different would perhaps be a better word.

I would hope that by now those who read my reviews would know that I try to be thorough and accurate. What you are suggesting would imply that is not the case. That is the nerve that was struck..

You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

Regards,
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post #40 of 156
3/15/09 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

Stix2, sorry to have jumped to a conclusion regarding whether or not you have seen this Blu-ray Disc. If you have then please accept my apology.

As far as lining up the few disc's that have received 100's I would say that they can't all be lumped into a single category. In looking at the attributes of each when taken as a whole the balance still nets them the same score. Comparing the soundtrack on Transporter 3 to this one is a perfect example. This isn't a bombastic, action style film however its elements contain similar dynamic capabilities, use of the surround platform and powerful low frequency effects. I couldn't find fault with this soundtrack in any rating category. That nets its score. I don't rate discs that I have given scores to against one another, whether it got 100 or not.

As far as one sounding better than the other I would again disagree with the use of that terminology. Better no.Different would perhaps be a better word.

I would hope that by now those who read my reviews would know that I try to be thorough and accurate. What you are suggesting would imply that is not the case. That is the nerve that was struck..

You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

Regards,


All good Ralph I am just a stickler for perfect scores is all. I do use you reviews as whether I need bother with a disc and respect your reviews.
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post #41 of 156
3/15/09 at 11:34am
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All good Ralph I am just a stickler for perfect scores is all. I do use you reviews as whether I need bother with a disc and respect your reviews.




Cheers,
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post #42 of 156
3/15/09 at 12:11pm
Ralph:

This discussion brings up a good point:

What in your opinion when you review a disk from the VIDEO and AUDIO
perspective constitutes a 100 score?

What, then, takes a disk from a 100 down to say a 95?

And then from a 95 down to say a 90?
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post #43 of 156
3/15/09 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Ralph:

This discussion brings up a good point:

What in your opinion when you review a disk from the VIDEO and AUDIO
perspective constitutes a 100 score?

What, then, takes a disk from a 100 down to say a 95?

And then from a 95 down to say a 90?

Greetings,

I use a rating system and don't just assign a score. Please refer to my introductory post here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1028875

In addition I also write a narrative for both audio and video that provides some feedback in support of the score.


Regards,
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post #44 of 156
3/15/09 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

I use a rating system and don't just assign a score. Please refer to my introductory post here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1028875

In addition I also write a narrative for both audio and video that provides some feedback in support of the score.


Regards,

Ralph:

I did read that. Thank you. Unfortunately it does not really elucidate the rating "system". Perhaps you can elighten us a bit more as to what "generally speaking" you score more highly when you observe it in review material?

The narratives are a tremendous help for those of us who are less than the most sophisticated about the audio/video presenation. Xylon's screen-capture threads in the BD Software forum seem to provide much in terms of education (and ultimately and often conflagration) about Picture Quality but no one reviewer has really posted what for them makes for a 100% well done, reference quality, piece.

It would be nice to read some generalizations about what makes your eyes and ears tick that box and what makes your eyes and ears tick the very very good but not so perfect box.

Or is your process too subjective - more of a gestalt approach - to put such judgement into patent and categegorical valuations?
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post #45 of 156
3/15/09 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Ralph:

I did read that. Thank you. Unfortunately it does not really elucidate the rating "system". Perhaps you can elighten us a bit more as to what "generally speaking" you score more highly when you observe it in review material?

The narratives are a tremendous help for those of us who are less than the most sophisticated about the audio/video presenation. Xylon's screen-capture threads in the BD Software forum seem to provide much in terms of education (and ultimately and often conflagration) about Picture Quality but no one reviewer has really posted what for them makes for a 100% well done, reference quality, piece.

It would be nice to read some generalizations about what makes your eyes and ears tick that box and what makes your eyes and ears tick the very very good but not so perfect box.

Or is your process too subjective - more of a gestalt approach - to put such judgement into patent and categegorical valuations?


Greetings,

This thread isn't the proper setting for this discussion. I will give this some thought and post back in the General Discussion thread.

Thanks.
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post #46 of 156
3/15/09 at 12:45pm
In Ralph's defense (not that a defense is really necessary), maybe a score of 100 means "best I've seen and heard so far", not necessarily "best there ever will be".

Every year there is a new batch of "best" movies. They have a big show on TV about it and some un-funny comedian hosts it.

I, for one, find Ralph's reviews immensely helpful, always very close to the mark, and un-influenced by the usual reviewers' PC crap.

In other words, I usually agree with him...
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post #47 of 156
3/15/09 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

This thread isn't the proper setting for this discussion. I will give this some thought and post back in the General Discussion thread.

Thanks.


Ralph:

Thanks. I believe we would all appreciate that insight.
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post #48 of 156
3/15/09 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by rtart View Post

In Ralph's defense (not that a defense is really necessary), maybe a score of 100 means "best I've seen and heard so far", not necessarily "best there ever will be".

Every year there is a new batch of "best" movies.

Maybe Disney's "UP" will be the next 100? The previews look incredible on TV.
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post #49 of 156
3/16/09 at 8:16am
I watched "Bolt" yesterday with the family, and I agree 100% with Ralph's assessment of the disc. I couldn't find any fault in the audio or the video. There's a great featurette in the supplements about the animation style used in the film that's worth the 10 minutes invested...this is one of the most three-dimensional BD's I've seen yet, and it's not even 3D!
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post #50 of 156
3/16/09 at 8:41am
HHmmm i may have to get this one. I've seen the preview and wasn't so sure if i should see it.

But since this one scores a perfect 100 i may actually collect it.
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post #51 of 156
3/16/09 at 1:43pm
Im surprised at the lack of 3D on this one as well.
I saw it in the theater twice with my 8 yr old son. 1st time in normal non-3D and the 2nd time in 3D

Not that many 3D scenes that really pop and the pix is clearer in non-3D so maybe the gimmicy 3D wasnt what they wanted to put out
Maybe a 3D version coming later?
Regardless Im getting it
Great to see another 100 perfect score here.
I knew it would get great marks
Great film great fun

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Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski View Post

I saw this one in the theater with my son I am kind of surprised that they didn't include a 3D version as well.

When we saw it in the theater the 3D was really well done.
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post #52 of 156
3/16/09 at 1:59pm
Uh thats not "technically" correct as Ralph only gave the film 4 out of 5 stars (80%) and the extras 3.5 (70%) out of 5 stars so not exactly 100% "across the board" unless you are only talking about PQ and AQ which
Some folks care about the film and extras as well as the pix and sound.

But we digress....

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Originally Posted by Lordoftherings View Post

This is just Amazing!
100 across the board!
Excellent review, and a must own title.

Bob
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post #53 of 156
3/16/09 at 2:03pm
Since Ralph has only given out 2 perfect 100 scores your words need to be retracked and an apology given as he does NOT toss around 100's at a whim

Do your research and Think before you post. Please

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Originally Posted by Stix2 View Post

You are not the only one who can get movies before launch. Appologize for the term toss it was meant to show loosely giving out 100 to much and it loses value.

Kinda like high def digest.

Just my opinion Ralph sorry to strike a nerve.

Guess my point is you have to take all the 100 movies you scored and then line them up. Looking back do some sound better than the others you gave a 100?
I am sure some do and that's my point.
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post #54 of 156
3/16/09 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

I watched "Bolt" yesterday with the family, and I agree 100% with Ralph's assessment of the disc. I couldn't find any fault in the audio or the video. There's a great featurette in the supplements about the animation style used in the film that's worth the 10 minutes invested...this is one of the most three-dimensional BD's I've seen yet, and it's not even 3D!

Of course it looked great Robin. You've got a BDP-83. Dang you and your bat-gadgets!
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post #55 of 156
3/16/09 at 9:19pm
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Of course it looked great Robin. You've got a BDP-83. Dang you and your bat-gadgets!

It's good to be me
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post #56 of 156
3/17/09 at 1:55am
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Of course it looked great Robin. You've got a BDP-83. Dang you and your bat-gadgets!

Greetings,

Chris, you are too funny man..


Cheers,
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post #57 of 156
3/17/09 at 9:09am
I would have to agree with the review completely!

This disc looks AMAZING and the sound is off the charts.

The bass is incredible and this disc will, I'm certain, be used as a reference for sound and picture.

My wife and I watched it this past weekend, (we review DVDs as well) and we were both blown away.

On our 118" Carada through our Sony Black Pearl this disc was as close to perfection as I've seen.
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post #58 of 156
3/17/09 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by Imatk View Post

I would have to agree with the review completely!

This disc looks AMAZING and the sound is off the charts.

The bass is incredible and this disc will, I'm certain, be used as a reference for sound and picture.

My wife and I watched it this past weekend, (we review DVDs as well) and we were both blown away.

On our 118" Carada through our Sony Black Pearl this disc was as close to perfection as I've seen.

Greetings,

Imatk, thanks for sharing your impressions..


Regards,
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post #59 of 156
3/17/09 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

It's good to be me

I bet. Being able to sleep in, living on a beautiful estate in Hawaii, and driving a gorgeous red Italian sports car... no wait that's Magnum P.I... I'm always getting the two of you confused.


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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

Chris, you are too funny man..


Cheers,

Thanks Batman.

Another great review, but then again, that goes without saying.
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post #60 of 156
3/17/09 at 1:54pm
I can't wait to view this one! I read 2 reviews on it so far and both reviews gave video and audio perfect scores. I work at Blockbuster and they received it today. I will probably watch it sometime this weekend.
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