Bolt (Blu-ray) Official AVSForum Review - Page 3

Originally Posted by Ralph Potts

Greetings,

6.1...


Cheers,

Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn

Yes...it's 3 days earlier than the DVD.

Originally Posted by Ralph Potts

Greetings,

6.1...


Cheers,

Originally Posted by Toknowshita

I have a feeling this disc is encoded with the dts 6.1 ES Matrix track flag set. Like Wall-E some decoders were reporting it as 5.1 and others were reporting 6.1. It is not truely a 6.1 discrete track like X-Men 3 that plays decodes as 6.1 whether my receiver is decoding the stream from the BD35 or if the PS3 decodes it. But with Wall-E the receiver reports 5.1 with the BD35 streaming where the PS3 reports 6.1 when displaying the track info.

It is most likely a Matrix track. Nothing wrong with that since matrix decoding in the digital domain is pretty accurate. I think some of the original dts-HD decoders do not handle the track flags for special decoding options.

Originally Posted by Toknowshita

I have a feeling this disc is encoded with the dts 6.1 ES Matrix track flag set. Like Wall-E some decoders were reporting it as 5.1 and others were reporting 6.1. It is not truely a 6.1 discrete track like X-Men 3 that plays decodes as 6.1 whether my receiver is decoding the stream from the BD35 or if the PS3 decodes it. But with Wall-E the receiver reports 5.1 with the BD35 streaming where the PS3 reports 6.1 when displaying the track info.

It is most likely a Matrix track. Nothing wrong with that since matrix decoding in the digital domain is pretty accurate. I think some of the original dts-HD decoders do not handle the track flags for special decoding options.

Originally Posted by d3code

i believe disney made a critical error with the hamster.

it really sends a bad message towards childeren. they get the message it is a cool to put hamster in a plastic ball.

i know so, because i was with my family in the cinema watching the movie. and my brothers little girl asked after the movie, if she could get a hamsterball. although i first thought it was funny, later on i realized that it was the movie its fault to include it. imagine all childeren think it is cool to put a hamster in a plastic ball. it is simply cruel.

that said the hamster was the most fun part of the whole movie, but they should have thought better on how to include him. without a plastic ball would have been way better.

i wonder how Walt disney would have thought of this when he would still live.

Originally Posted by ElChupacabra

Fully agree. I propose that we boycott this movie on the grounds of improper hamster ethics.

Originally Posted by Toe

So does this mean we are missing the rear surround info if our processors are reporting 5.1 for Wall*E (and Bolt from the sounds of it) from a bitstreamed signal, or does this info just get sent to the side surrounds in this case and applying PLIIx will basicaly accomplish the same thing as if the processor was reporting a 6.1 signal from the bitstreamed track?


This is why I asked.....Wall*E shows up as 5.1 when I bitstream from my BD-30 to my 885, but out of the PS3 it shows it as 6.1 and the 885 shows it is getting a 7.1 signal. So does Bolt do the same thing? Not sure why Wall*E does this (and maybe Bolt by the sound of it). X-Men 3 which is a discrete 6.1 track shows up as 6.1 on my 885 when bitstreamed so I know the 885 has no problem taking a bitstreamed 6.1 discrete track.....confusing

Originally Posted by Toknowshita

Toe,

I have the Onkyo 805 which basically has the same decoding engine as your processor. I have observed the same thing, when I bitstreamed X3 from my BD35, the Onkyo indicated a 6.1 signal. But with Wall-E, the bitstreamed track indicates 5.1 and the receiver makes no reference to the Matrix track. The PS3 shows 6.1 for Wall-E if you have 6.1 or greater enabled, but if you only have 5.1 enabled, it correctly displays that Wall-E is only 5.1. But with only 5.1 enabled on the PS3 it still shows 6.1 for X3. It is a matrixed track, it is just some of the early versions of the dts-HD decoder do not handle the ES Matrix flag correctly. It is not that big of a deal since you really are not losing any information. You just have to manually apply the rear matrix decoding, DPLIIx, SurrEx, etc.

You are correct, the rear channel is just extracted from the surround channels and some may prefer to use another format, like DPLIIx. Since this is the second Disney disc to have this minor anomaly without being listed on the box, I wonder if the ES Matrix flag setting is intentional or do they have someone handling the encoding of the track that has it set by accident. Again it is not like anything is missing. BUT I do think the more complex the audio codec makers have made their tools that there is much more room for mistakes. Does dts really need, different angled speaker configurations for 7.1 when none of the current decoders on the market accept any user input indicating speaker angle configuration. The codec makers need to add a good dose of KISS, keep it simple stupid, to their toolsets. What we have now is both makers trying to one up another and we end up with a non-standardized configuration for 7.1.

Originally Posted by Ralph Potts

Why ?

Originally Posted by DJ Matt

Ralph's review is right on. The audio on this release was amazing and the best audio I have heard from an animated movie. I actually really enjoyed the movie itself. Actually, I liked Bolt better than Kung Fu Panda or Wall-E.

Originally Posted by Toe

So does this mean we are missing the rear surround info if our processors are reporting 5.1 for Wall*E (and Bolt from the sounds of it) from a bitstreamed signal, or does this info just get sent to the side surrounds in this case and applying PLIIx will basicaly accomplish the same thing as if the processor was reporting a 6.1 signal from the bitstreamed track?


This is why I asked.....Wall*E shows up as 5.1 when I bitstream from my BD-30 to my 885, but out of the PS3 it shows it as 6.1 and the 885 shows it is getting a 7.1 signal. So does Bolt do the same thing? Not sure why Wall*E does this (and maybe Bolt by the sound of it). X-Men 3 which is a discrete 6.1 track shows up as 6.1 on my 885 when bitstreamed so I know the 885 has no problem taking a bitstreamed 6.1 discrete track.....confusing

Originally Posted by eldithomaso

TOE:
I have a DMP-BD55 - does the 35 have an option for surround back settings - processing either 5.1 vs 7.1? Actually it doesn't. Do you have BD secondary audio TURNED off? Are you getting menu clicks and sounds?

If you have BD secondary audio on I believe the 35/55 downcovert 6.1 and 7.1 to 5.1 only. The PS3 does not since it decodes everything to PCM and combines that with the original channel configuration.

Originally Posted by modiGTI

Anyone know if the BB release date for 3/22 is correct?