Originally Posted by LilGator
It's not an "issue", it's just a fact. A less wide image at the same height is smaller
And that is clearly an issue for you
hence why you feel you need need to make that image larger by either sitting closer to the screen at a cinema or wanting to impliment CIA at home.
You obviously fall into the crowd of people having the preference to stay in the same seat regardless of film.
And that is 99.9999% of the public. I've never observed "adults" relocating themselves closer once the film started. I have seen teenagers do that though.
I prefer to be fully immersed by both, and sit accordingly.
Then this only reienforces the comment I made a few pages back about arriving at the cineme BEFORE the lights go out. How could you possibly know what AR every film is going to be and therefore choose a seating distance prior to the main feature starting?
Sitting 3x or greater back from 1.85 results in a "large TV" effect, and not theater impact for me.
The screens in the cinemas I go to are least 30'. That is bigger than TV...
For you it may be different, but both of us are within spec for seating distances, and are within "director's intent" if it were to exist.
These cinemas are short as in 3.7x the image height deep. As long as I am further back than 2x the image height, I am "in spec" regardless of where I sit. I just like the elevation of the floor that also places me centred vertically as well as choosing a seat centre of the row.
Even if all directors intend for their 1.85 movies to be projected the same height and less wide (smaller) than scope, I'm still following this intent by seating well within SMPTE, 20th Century Fox, and THX spec, albeit closer for 1.85.
As far as your typical audience goes, they are going to find a seat where they find one. This is where how the theater is designed (according to the same specs) comes into play. (Keep in mind, these people aren't building home theaters. We are!)
Actually I find many people seem to sit towards the edges and I generally seem to find a centre row seat far enough back.
Only 1/3 of the audience will be near the spec'd sweet spot.
And less than that 1/3 care.
2/3 of the audience will be too close, or too far away.
And they don't know any better.
Your typical viewer may go see "I Love You, Man" (1.85) and sit at 2x screen height, then they'll go see "Fast and Furious" (2.35) and sit 4x screen height, if only for the reason that's where they found seats.
But if they get there when the lights are up, and the film is not predictable (like the latest Bond film) how would one know what AR the film is. In fact, how many people even know why the curtains open at the start of a CinemaScope film.
The director can only intend so much as his intentions can be realistically "enforced".
By design, something has to give and 1.85:1 is not as wide as Scope
The same showing of "I Love You, Man" can have people sitting 4x screen height, and follow the other people to "Fast and Furious" where they will sit 2x screen height.
Not really. Most people aim for the back rows. It is just human nature.
In neither case (which is the majority of the time!) is the director's intent of having an identical height image but wider (or less wide) coming across even close.
Would Peter Jackson really choose anything else but CinemaScope for Lord Of The Rings?
This only proves that the director cannot intend to have his 2.35 film wider than 1.85 films (in cinemas), and of course he fully realizes that the vast majority of viewing of his film will take place at home on DVD/Blu-ray where his 2.35 film is shown incredibly smaller!
Not on MY home cinema
He still prefers to shoot 2.35 for the shape, which is preserved on 1.78 displays at home, and has nothing to do with the size.
Sure it doesn't. And why you read many posts (in this forum too BTW) that ask "why doesn't the picture fit my screen?" Why do I see black bars at the top and bottom of the image?"
Having CinemaScope wider makes it look very different from the TV shape screen of 1.85:1 which means to see this type of presentation, one need to get away from their TV. This is why CinemaScope was introduced in the first place.