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Epson Powerlite 1080 - Blue Dot on Screen?

post #1 of 47
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This is my first projector so hopefully I am just doing something stupid.

I just hooked up my Epson powerlite 1080 and the pic is great, however I have a stubborn blue dot that's not going away. It's always there and bugging the heck out of me.

I did a bit of research and thought perhaps the lens was somehow dusty or dirty so I carefully cleaned it with a lint free cloth. No luck.

Here are two photos I took - Look for the dot to the left of the menu. It's easy to see in the first, in the second I put my hand in front of the dot to show it's not a screen defect (you can sorta see the dot on my hand).





This is brand new purchased from Visual Apex from the sale -- Have only had it a few hours. If this is a defect I suppose I need to demand a replacement right?

Much thanks for your advice, hopefully someone can get back to me sooner than later since I think they said they want to hear from me in the first 24 hours regarding any issues.

Thanks!

Brad
post #2 of 47
It looks like a stuck pixel, I believe Epson has a zero stuck pixel policy and should replace it no problem. Give them a call and tell them you're unhappy.
post #3 of 47
Thread Starter 
Good to know - I knew stuck pixels happened with monitors, never knew the same type of thing could happen on a projector. I'm learning.

I'll call Epson tomorrow. Much thanks. I'm hopeful they will send me a new unit and not a refurb since this is only 3 hours old.
post #4 of 47
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Good to know - I knew stuck pixels happened with monitors, never knew the same type of thing could happen on a projector. I'm learning.

I'll call Epson tomorrow. Much thanks. I'm hopeful they will send me a new unit and not a refurb since this is only 3 hours old.

It can happen to LCD projectors, it's the same thing with LCD monitors. I have been lucky enough to never have one. I hope things are better with the replacement, keep us updated.
post #5 of 47
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I'll call Epson tomorrow. Much thanks. I'm hopeful they will send me a new unit and not a refurb since this is only 3 hours old.

If they won't send a new unit I'd call VA and demand a brand new replacement.
post #6 of 47
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Epson support was helpful - Took down my information and is overnighting a new unit to me with prepaid return label for the defective unit. Hopefully none of this will interfere with my rebate claim (I assume not, since I didn't send it yet).

I never knew that these type of things were common with these - Upon getting the new unit, anything else in particular I should test for to make sure there are no defects?

Curiously, I sent Visual Apex emails last night regarding the issue and have yet to hear back.

Thanks for your help.
post #7 of 47
Dead/stuck pixels and dust are what I would look for above anything else. To check for dust you can throw up a black image and defocus it.
post #8 of 47
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Epson support was helpful - Took down my information and is overnighting a new unit to me with prepaid return label for the defective unit. Hopefully none of this will interfere with my rebate claim (I assume not, since I didn't send it yet).

I never knew that these type of things were common with these - Upon getting the new unit, anything else in particular I should test for to make sure there are no defects?

Curiously, I sent Visual Apex emails last night regarding the issue and have yet to hear back.

Thanks for your help.

Are you sure it was a new unit? The Epson reps have a tendency to lie and send you a refurbished one and claim it was new. Certainly happened to me more than 3 times with my last projector.
post #9 of 47
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That's not what I like to hear -- They LIE!?!? How did you know it was a refurb and what did you do to get a new one? How can I check this?

This would be most upsetting, especially if it's a refurb that's got lamp usage on it with the counter reset to 0.
post #10 of 47
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That's not what I like to hear -- They LIE!?!? How did you know it was a refurb and what did you do to get a new one? How can I check this?

This would be most upsetting, especially if it's a refurb that's got lamp usage on it with the counter reset to 0.

Your current box should have a serial number with blue tape on the sides. The refurb boxes do not (or covered up). They only have the UPC and Product number on a large white sticker. Epson is smart. They take brand new boxes and put the refurb projectors in there, boxed up with a single piece of tape to make it look like it's a brand new unit.

I have seen several people here sell their refurb 1080ub as new since the box looks like the tape was never cut. That's pretty dishonest, but it's possible they never even knew.
post #11 of 47
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Thanks - I will look for this when my replacement arrives tomorrow or Friday and get back with you all and let you know what Epson did. They were informed my projector was brand new out of the box yesterday and promised me a new unit. Even put an $1800 hold on my credit card until the old one gets back. So let's see what happens next.
post #12 of 47
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Well, looks like I got lied to by Epson! The top box is my original, the bottom is what showed up today. By what EightNineSuited says, they sent me a refurb.

Take a look:



What do I do now? Call them back and ask them to send me a third projector? What should I do if they refuse or try and tell me this unit is brand new?

What would you do? Just keep the refurb? If the unit works I don't care so much about that, but I am concerned that there is lamp hours on this thing. I didn't even take the refurb out of the box yet.

What should I do? Help?
post #13 of 47
I would check the menu to see if there are any hours on it. If you don't see any you can check the service menu also - I'll see if I can find the keystrokes to get in there. If it's a refurb I would call back and demand a brand new replacement, or send this back and go through your selling dealer to swap it for a new unit.
post #14 of 47
Thread Starter 
TF Ghost - Thank you, if you can get me into the service menu to check the hours that would be my best bet -- Standard Menu on this one shows 0 hours (just
looked).

I don't want to accuse Epson of sending me a refurb if it's not one, but judging by the stickers if EightNine is right, it is a refurb.
post #15 of 47
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Originally Posted by BradP View Post

Well, looks like I got lied to by Epson! The top box is my original, the bottom is what showed up today. By what EightNineSuited says, they sent me a refurb.

Take a look:



What do I do now? Call them back and ask them to send me a third projector? What should I do if they refuse or try and tell me this unit is brand new?

What would you do? Just keep the refurb? If the unit works I don't care so much about that, but I am concerned that there is lamp hours on this thing. I didn't even take the refurb out of the box yet.

What should I do? Help?

Yep, that is definately a refurb! Turn both of them on. The main thing you want to make sure is the color uniformity. Pull up a white screen (hockey game?) and compare if there's a red/green tint on either side. Every refurb I had couldn't display a full white across. And they all had 0 hours. It's not hard to reset it.

Call them and tell them that it looks like a refurb unit and you were promised new. Escalate the situation and they'll put you through to the Customer Relations department or something, and they'll send you a new unit. If you are within your 30 day purchase, they CANNOT send you a refurb.

This is why I'll never buy another Epson ever again. I went through 2 months of hell with runarounds and lies. These people have horrendous quality control and their customer service is very dishonest (but still better than most). I've received a refurb that had a brown tinge on the right side. There is no way a projector like that should be green-lighted.
post #16 of 47
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Thanks for the tips - I scoured the web to look for a hidden service menu where I could determine true usage hours but it looks like no one has the secret combo, at least not in an easy to find spot. If anyone has it so I can totally confirm, please let me know.

I'll pop in a test DVD for a pure white screen and see if I can duplicate the problem.

Something else - On a blank/black screen just pulling up the standard menus, looking up close, is it normal to see slight red bloom around the text in the menus? I realize that this is convergence and that it is never perfect, but just wanted to make sure this wasn't another defect. I'll swap the two out and compare as well.

It would be great if I could get into a menu to confirm usage. But overall I just want a new unit, period.
post #17 of 47
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Just a quick update - On the phone with Epson now. Rep first told me, "We don't have any new units anymore, only refurbished."

I then confirmed my purchase date of March 10th and that that was unacceptable. THEN he changed his tune and said according to my order, I was sent a new unit. Asked me "did it come in an original box?" I said, yes it did, but it is still a refurbished unit.

I'm now on hold and he is working with customer care. We'll see what happens next. I'll update this post.

UPDATE - He apologies and says another one will be sent out -- Another hold going on my credit card. That's fine. I'll return the original defect tomorrow. We'll see if they send ANOTHER refurb. He asked how I knew it was a refurb "Was it scratched, etc". I told him I just knew. We'll see if they pull it again. Something tells me the next "new" one will have the same labels on the side.

Getting into the service menu sure would help...
post #18 of 47
That's sad. If they promise you something they should stand behind it. Let us know what happens with the next replacement unit...
post #19 of 47
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Originally Posted by BradP View Post

Just a quick update - On the phone with Epson now. Rep first told me, "We don't have any new units anymore, only refurbished."

I then confirmed my purchase date of March 10th and that that was unacceptable. THEN he changed his tune and said according to my order, I was sent a new unit. Asked me "did it come in an original box?" I said, yes it did, but it is still a refurbished unit.

I'm now on hold and he is working with customer care. We'll see what happens next. I'll update this post.

UPDATE - He apologies and says another one will be sent out -- Another hold going on my credit card. That's fine. I'll return the original defect tomorrow. We'll see if they send ANOTHER refurb. He asked how I knew it was a refurb "Was it scratched, etc". I told him I just knew. We'll see if they pull it again. Something tells me the next "new" one will have the same labels on the side.

Getting into the service menu sure would help...

Welcome to Epson's "Awesome" customer service. See what I mean? Don't send the original back yet. That's your leverage. Send the refurb back. Wait until the other one arrives. If the next one is a refurb as well and they cannot send you a new one, ask for a full refund (I did), and use it towards another 1080p.
post #20 of 47
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice. I do appreciate it. When I finally got off hold, I asked him, point blank, can you PLEASE promise me that this next unit is not going to be a refurb. He then said he confirmed "We have 6 new units in stock" and that a NEW unit was being overnighted to me.

I will hold onto both projectors (the original new one and the refurb that came today) until the 3rd unit arrives tomorrow. Hopefully it will be a new, defect free projector.

Will report back. If the 3rd projector is new and defect free, I'll drop the other 2 right off at Fedex.
post #21 of 47
Fingers crossed man! Hopefully, you get a flaw-free new one. This isn't chump change we're talking about here.
post #22 of 47
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Ok, the 3rd one is here. But it looks exactly like the second with the labels overtop another label on the side and a green dot.

But oddly, the serial number is exactly 1 higher than the last - Which sort of indicates that maybe these ARE new and right off the Epson line? I dunno.

I did manage to get into the Service Menu of the 2nd unit (3rd is still in the box here) and it showed 0 hours / no lamp changes, etc. So according to that there is no usage unless there is a way Epson can reset THAT at the factory as well.

Thoughts? Epson SWORE this was going to be a new unit and that the last one was also new. Am I maybe over-reacting and treating these as refurb only because of the stickers on the side?
post #23 of 47
I have been following this thread because I just ordered a 1080 to replace my 720. I hope I don't have any problems with the 1080 because the 720 has worked perfectly.

Anyway, I am wondering what the big deal is if Epson sent you a refurb. I understand the principal that you paid for a new one so you should get a new one. But if the newest one they sent you is working perfectly and there are no defects shouldn't that be a good thing???

Please don't take this as an insult because I don't mean it to be. I am just trying to understand what the big deal is if it is, in fact, a refurb. Usually refurbished electronic equipment works better than new ones off the assembly line because they have been gone over more throughly. Not always but most of the time.

I hope I don't have the problems you are having with your 1080. If I do I might just return it and try something else.

I hope you get this problem resolved soon and get to start enjoying your new toy. I wish you the best of luck.
post #24 of 47
If he paid for new, he wants a new unit with new parts. Refurbs usually has had 100s if not more hours of usage. That is wear and tear. And this is LCD we're talking about. So the polarizers will eventually go. With a refurb you never know where you're at.

From my experience, when they sent me an actual new one the box had serial number in blue sticker on it.

But try it out. It's possible that since the 1080 is now discontinued, they may not have new boxes anymore.
post #25 of 47
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Originally Posted by eightninesuited View Post

If he paid for new, he wants a new unit with new parts. Refurbs usually has had 100s if not more hours of usage. That is wear and tear. And this is LCD we're talking about. So the polarizers will eventually go. With a refurb you never know where you're at.

From my experience, when they sent me an actual new one the box had serial number in blue sticker on it.

But try it out. It's possible that since the 1080 is now discontinued, they may not have new boxes anymore.

That is a good point. I never thought about the fact Epson could just reset the hours to zero on a unit that may have hundreds or even thousands of hours on it. They reset it to zero, install a new bulb and ship it out. That sucks. I would like to think a company as large as Epson wouldn't do something like that without telling you.

I wish there was a way to be 100% certain the projector received was or wasn't a refurb. I just ordered a 1080 from VA. I hope it isn't a refurb or has a problem and I need to order a replacement. That will really suck.
post #26 of 47
Thread Starter 
Yeah, that's sort of where I am at, too. I truly wish there was a definitive way of knowing if this is a new unit.

Does anyone know if there is also a way to reset the usage times in the hidden service menu? If there's not, then maybe that proves these Epson units are indeed new.

Is there any other way you can suggest I look at the unit itself (or the picture it's throwing) to tell if it's a refurbished one, aside any obvious wear and tear on the outer casing, etc?

I basically am sitting here with 3 projectors now, 2 of which have to go back ASAP so I can get the charges on my credit card reversed.

EightNineSuited - Aside from the stickers on the box, what were your indicators to determine that Epson had sent you refurbs that you used when you called to complain?
post #27 of 47
Thread Starter 
UPDATE - Hooked up projector #3. Basically the same experience as #2. Gonna put in my burn-in DVD to look for bad pixels and any color/blur issues.

This being my first projector, is this display normal? I believe all 3 of these units have exhibited this when you look at the text on the menus and information (up close of course). Sort of a red and green bloom around the white text:



Considering all of them have done this, perhaps that is just the way it is.

Since I have 2 projectors to choose from now, and it's looking like there's no real way I can tell if Epson is truly sending me new ones, I may as well just try and pick one of the 2 and keep it.

Hidden service menu showed 0 hours usage though it DID show that the lamp was turned on once before on unit #3 (on my initial power up the lamp on number was at 2, and the lamp off at 1, so it was cylced once before).

Anyway I guess I will just have to give in and accept what Epson is sending me without proof these are refurbs.
post #28 of 47
That looks awful!
post #29 of 47
Thread Starter 
Is that bad? Not normal for this projector? I think all 3 of them, including the new one with the bad pixel, all exhibited this around the menu text.

Maybe I am the problem here -- Is there a setting I can change to reduce that? It looks like color convergence to me which I don't think is an adjustable setting on this unit.
post #30 of 47
That is a convergence problem. It looks like they are off by about one pixel each. That isn't too bad. Ideally you want them to not be off at all but that is next to impossible with a three chip projector. Also, I believe that menu pic is from the bottom left part of the screen. Usually convergence will be off the worse at the outer edges. There are some projectors that allow you to adjust the convergence but from what I've read they still have a hard time getting it perfect.

Can you notice it at normal viewing distances?

My 720 is off a bit as well. Not quite as bad as yours but I can notice it when I stand right up against the screen. I never notice it while watching content. Keep in mind how small a 1080p pixel is at normal viewing distances. My 720p has larger pixels and I can't notice it at normal viewing distances.
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