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post #31 of 3039
Ok, I'm really confus-ed...

Last I checked, everyone (including **********) was saying that the 4.1 is a 6ohm speaker.

But when I briefly inspected my speaker this afternoon, the tag on back labeled it as having 4 ohm impedence!

Which is it? :confused:
post #32 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by RobJ


Good luck David, I'm sure they will be there soon. You're lucky though. I ordered my 6.1's, c3, r3's on Wednesday and was told that the 6.1's are backordered until sometime around the 14th of Feb. Geez, I hope that Paradigm RS100 gremlin doesn't strike before they ship. :)

Rob
Hi Rob...

I know... we are flat out of 6.1's right now... and about 55% of our allocation that is on the water now (due to arrive next week) are sold out already... :(

We have backed this up with another 40-ft high cube to leave the PRC before Chinese New Year... the ship date is around the 9th... We are peddling as quick as we can... but the quality MUST be there first and foremost. These things take time...

Call me and I'll be glad to chat about what I hope you'll hear... :D

303.543.7500 ext. 301

All the best... and thanks for your patience...

mls
post #33 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by Slappy
Mark,

Have you guys thought about setting up a registry of Diva owners willing to demo for potential buyers in their area. I, for one, would be more than happy to show off. I've just noticed a lot of replies where folks want to listen before they buy. You could have your own force of advocates, kinda like Apple does.

Just a thought,
Paul
Hi Paul...

YOU ARE SPOT ON...

We have unofficially done this with and for a few people already... and we are actively working on this plan right now...

Thanks for the input...

All the best...

mls
post #34 of 3039
Mark Schifter-

Been lurking over these Diva discusions for some time. I have just one question. I know the veneer is advertised as rosewood, I'm a custom woodworker myself, there are 100's of species of rosewood, this to my trained I(eye), from the photos, looks like Cocobolo, is it?

Thanks, Bruce

P.S. Archrr - Shame on you for not using a little better backdrop for your photo, Geesh!!
post #35 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by Brucer
Mark Schifter-

Been lurking over these Diva discusions for some time. I have just one question. I know the veneer is advertised as rosewood, I'm a custom woodworker myself, there are 100's of species of rosewood, this to my trained I, from the photos, looks like Cocobola, is it?

Thanks, Bruce
In fact the factory does use a species not unlike Cocobola... but they call it something different... It starts with a "S" and dang... I just found myself in a "Senior Moment"... Can't remember the name...

I also want to state that we match the veneers and sometimes we do get lighter patterned veneers that are full of "peaks" etc. All VERY beautiful... (IMHO...)

Your mileage will vary (i.e. lighter or darker rosewood)... but they will be book matched...

Thanks for your question... let me know if we can help further...

All the best...

mls
post #36 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by netarc
Ok, I'm really confus-ed...

Last I checked, everyone (including **********) was saying that the 4.1 is a 6ohm speaker.

But when I briefly inspected my speaker this afternoon, the tag on back labeled it as having 4 ohm impedence!

Which is it? :confused:
I'm on this and have asked our guys to check the speaker labels NOW...

Thanks...

:(

mls
post #37 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by Mark L. Schifter


I'm on this and have asked our guys to check the speaker lables NOW...

Thanks...

:(

mls
Thanks, Mark...

Hey, any thoughts on those satin or brushed nickel finished footers I mentioned :)
post #38 of 3039
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One question - while the brass-plated feet that came w/the 4.1s are quite nice, a satin/brushed nickel finish would work 100x better w/our decor!

Anyone know where I might be able to find feet w/this finish that would work w/Divas? If not, AV123 - have you folks ever considered selling a satin/brushed nickel finish "footer option kit" for the speakers?

Thanks again, all!

- Ali [/b][/quote]

Hi Ali...

Nice talking to you the other day... and apologies for my phone system angst in accidentally cutting you off... :(

I have ordered from another supplier some feet for us to look at at a later date. When I'm back in China in March they will be there waiting for me... I want my partners to look at these as well...

Thanks... and enjoy...

All the best...

mls
post #39 of 3039
Wanted or not, I figured I could put my $.02 in as a 6.1, C3 and R3 owner. I can testify to the integrity and customer service that Mark, Steve and Russell provide for their customers. I have had my setup for about 2 months now and enjoy the speakers greatly. When the speakers arrived in Phoenix the freight company called me to set up a delivery time but I could not wait so I went down the the company and picked them up myself. They were very helpful and loaded everything for me. They barely squeeeeezed everything into my Explorer but I made it home and was not disappointed in the boxing of these behemoths, nor the sound. Since I was considering the B&W 804's and waiting for the new JMLab speakers to come out I thought I may be sorry I didn't wait. It would have cost me three times the cost of the entire Diva setup to go with the B&W's or the JMLabs and I'm glad I was able to put the money I saved into a new SACD/CD player and a Cinepro amp to drive the 6.1's. Needless to say I spend less time on these forums now and more time enjoying music and movies and I absolutely have no regrets about going with the Diva's. And if anyone in the Phoenix area wants a listen let me know, I would love to show them off. Now, back to my afternoon listening session. You all have a great day.

Mike;)
post #40 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by Brucer
Archrr - Shame on you for not using a little better backdrop for your photo, Geesh!!
Hehe, yeah, I had to lug that sucker to work for a day to match the color. I'll have much much nicer pics up this weekend :)

One of my babies in my Jeep...

http://home.attbi.com/~archer204/web6.1inthetruck1.jpg
post #41 of 3039
Oh my gosh...

Keep those pictures coming...

Thanks...

Appreciatively...

mls
post #42 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by Pride9
Wanted or not, I figured I could put my $.02 in as a 6.1, C3 and R3 owner. I can testify to the integrity and customer service that Mark, Steve and Russell provide for their customers. I have had my setup for about 2 months now and enjoy the speakers greatly. When the speakers arrived in Phoenix the freight company called me to set up a delivery time but I could not wait so I went down the the company and picked them up myself. They were very helpful and loaded everything for me. They barely squeeeeezed everything into my Explorer but I made it home and was not disappointed in the boxing of these behemoths, nor the sound. Since I was considering the B&W 804's and waiting for the new JMLab speakers to come out I thought I may be sorry I didn't wait. It would have cost me three times the cost of the entire Diva setup to go with the B&W's or the JMLabs and I'm glad I was able to put the money I saved into a new SACD/CD player and a Cinepro amp to drive the 6.1's. Needless to say I spend less time on these forums now and more time enjoying music and movies and I absolutely have no regrets about going with the Diva's. And if anyone in the Phoenix area wants a listen let me know, I would love to show them off. Now, back to my afternoon listening session. You all have a great day.

Mike;)
Hi Mike...

What could any of us say, except...

Thank YOU...

All the best...

mls
post #43 of 3039
I keep reading excellent reviews of av123's customer support, but I have been emailing them with questions this week and have grown increasingly miffed with their slow responsiveness (or lack thereof).

I know I am being picky here, but when I am considering paying a fairly large sum of money to a company, I expect timely responses (within a day or so), or at least some acknowledgement of my emails.

av123 is the only reason I did not order Divas this week.
post #44 of 3039
Steve, the dark red is due to the bad lighting (the images are also heavily compressed for fast loading here). They are not quite so dark in person...

I'll post non-compressed images in a few days (I'm waiting for the right light...unfortunately, the sun doesn't enter my apartment directly)


Matt-

These guys are on top of things. Give Steve or Russell a call...I'm sure there is a good explanation...

Vu-

Loved your post.
post #45 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by netarc
Ok, I'm really confus-ed...

Last I checked, everyone (including **********) was saying that the 4.1 is a 6ohm speaker.

But when I briefly inspected my speaker this afternoon, the tag on back labeled it as having 4 ohm impedence!

Which is it? :confused:
Netarc,

Please accept our apologies for the confusion. The 4.1 is a 6ohm speaker as stated on the ********** web site and in the literature. Swan's continues to use the older label's from a early design (We hope they run out soon!). They have been rigorously tested and measured and we are confident every pair is 6ohm's.

You can actually go back and find a couple threads where it's been discussed many times on this forum... Please forgive the
confusion and mis-label...I hope this didn't inconvenience you too much.

Call me directly if I can help in anyway!
post #46 of 3039
I know I'm not alone in hearing the words: "TURN THAT DOWN" how can you listen to that so loud its ridiculous.

I recently returned home unexpected, and when I pulled into our garage I could feel the unmistakable vibrations of loud music coming from inside the house. Much to my surprise and even more to my wife's when I entered into the house she had the Diva's cranked to concert level!

All I did was stand there with a big :D on my face, I did not utter those dreaded words, instead I said I'll get my CDs out of the car, which she immediately vetoed. But I must say that I was happy to see that she too enjoys the Diva's the way they were meant to be played.

Now if I could just get her interested in watching and listening to movies the way I'm sure most of us do:rolleyes:

Harley
post #47 of 3039
Mark,

I am considering getting a C3 to replace the 2.1 I have been using which was purchased before the C3 was available. I have thoroughly enjoyed my 5.1's with the 2.1 center but all the recent discussions have me wondering if I am missing out. Would you recommend this change?

I also have newly developed questions about the conditions under which these speakers are manufactured. This concern is keeping me up nights questoning if I should keep the Diva's in my home. I just keep picturing the poor worker's work worn faces, and imagined squalid working conditions. You know, not unlike the Diva experience some things have to be seen and heard to be believed. Any small output that you can think of to assuage these new feelings about "the works" would go a long way to change the proverbial slanted POV that is being pretended.

Of course you can disregard the above for the folly it is except for the part about thoroughly enjoying the Diva's. Also seeing the success that you have created with your more than able associates gives me a personal sense of pride in being one of the first to recognize something special was evolving. I didn't have the experience when I first took the plunge to fully trust myself about the quality I felt about the speakers, but there was no question about the committed helpfulness demonstrated by Steve and Russell in answering all my questions. I continue to enjoy all the positive comments that are constantly posted about you, your company, and your products, and know that any customer in the market is hard pressed to do better than AV123.

Now Mark, what dialect would be useful? ;)

I don't post here very often, but I know where to send people who have Diva interest and want meaningful feedback. :)
post #48 of 3039
Mark,
Please post the name of the wood species once it returns to you. I have some cabinetry to build in the future and I'd like to get as close as possible.
post #49 of 3039
Any progress to report on testing? I know that Mark Schifter has been pursuing this. I'm quite interested to see complete specs on the Diva line.

Also, has anyone experienced a certain lack of midrange in their 6.1s? I've just seen it mentioned a few times and was wondering if anyone else felt that way. Maybe this is a beak-in issue. I suppose a nice freq. response graph could help clear this up too.

Thanks!
post #50 of 3039
Hmmm...well, from that pic, yours do look quite a bit lighter...

http://home.attbi.com/~archer204/web6.1closeup.jpg

Forgive the flash and fingerprints hehe

They are still too red in this pic, but not nearly as blush as your pic. I guess thats what you get when you use real wood? :)

BTW, sweet set up you got there.

Sean
post #51 of 3039
Jeeez, is this a coming out party or what. Lots of those I recall from the part 1 & earlier part 2 threads are posting again. I bet it must be one of those anniversary thing.

TinHere, I don't think you need to worry much about 'forced labor' or sweatshop type of stereotyping posted by a few folks. As I said on another post, I still have families close to mainland China and the situation is no where close to what these folks can imagine. As a society China is still very much in need of upstarting entities like Diva & Av123 to help create jobs and most important skill & knowledge for the constant stream of workers migrating from rural areas to the cities everyday. Globalization of resource is happening no matter you like it or not. In fact I just read about AMD decided to have it's next microchip plant built in Singapore instead of Texas. It's a matter of a company's ability to stay in the game or get swept aside & left behind.

Steve, my 6.1's color looks somewhat b/w Sean's & yours. I bet it's the lighting difference.

Cheers.

PF
post #52 of 3039
Steve, that's why you buy the speakers first, then the entertainment center :D . It still looks good, I need to go out and buy an entertainment center like this because I still have my C3 propped up on several old VHS tapes in front of my TV! The top of my TV is concave and will not support the size or weight of the speaker.
TinHere, the C3 is a great speaker, it's good to see you still floating around as you first turned me on to these beauties way back in the day...
I know there's been some concern from time to time in these threads with people wondering if we all work for AV123 or Swan, but let me assure anyone who's lurking what you see here is simply a group of very satisfied customers who, thanks to AVS forum, have found a place to gather and share a positive experience we've all had in our Diva purchase. Anyone is welcome to audition my set-up (6.1's, 2.1's, R3's and C3) at any time...just drop me a e-mail or PM.
One of these days I'd like to take a road trip and meet some of my fellow Divans, drink a beer and listen to some music...that's what it's all about, being able to enjoy Miles Davis, Metallica or the Doors and know you didn't have to break the bank to do it.
Adios,
Dave
post #53 of 3039
Codemarine-

Well, even if pictures distort, I'd say there is a big difference. You have a couple of choices, depending on your skill level.

If I recall right, seems that top coat used in mgf was lacquer. If indeed it was nitrocelulose lacquer, then you could apply (spray only) more top coats, where you add a tint of NGR stain (non-grain raising dye). This allows you to alter color, shade, tone, etc. NGR dye stains are anailine dyes that are in an alcohol base and are fully compatible with lacquer. The color you add in this way will be transparent, ie, dye - not pigment. I use this technique all the time to hone in on color matches. If something is too red - add a little green, etc.

This can be done multiple times - altering color each time. Warning! Depending on mix, things can get darker in a hurry. Finally, one clear top coat seals the color.

Other choice - well you don't want to hear it.

Regards, Bruce

PS. BTW, I thought this picture looked familiar - did you know that someone in the theater construction forum used this exact photo - see "Woodworking plans for ET. center" thread.
post #54 of 3039
I have experienced that other Cherry speakers darken quite a bit over time. Give them some time and maybe some pics and see if they don't darken up.
post #55 of 3039
phyre3- True statement

Cherry and alot of woods will darken with age/ eposure to UV, but this ain't no cherry. If the species of rosewood that they use is anything like Cocoblo, it might take 100 years to darken much.

Regards, Bruce
post #56 of 3039
Nice pic Steve, looks very familiar...:) Definitely come on down when they get here later this month. Just one thing though...a nice 5 channel power amp for the Divas would make a great "speaker warming" gift. :)
post #57 of 3039
One of these days I'd like to take a road trip and meet some of my fellow Divans, drink a beer and listen to some music...that's what it's all about, being able to enjoy Miles Davis, Metallica or the Doors and know you didn't have to break the bank to do it.

You hit it there Dave. In fact, I gave a demo to another AVS member a little while back (zooplankton) and now that he has his Diva's (score another one for me hehe :), I'm heading over to his place tomorrow for dinner, beer and some Doors, Pink Floyd etc. Whohoo!


RE: the color difference, I'm still going with the difference in lighting is causing the majority of the difference. I run an auto/house/industrial paint store and light changes everything (if you ever get your car repaired and they show you the finished work in the shade, you are screwed...the color didn't match heh)...recall; w/o light, there is no color...


Steve, that's why you buy the speakers first, then the entertainment center

Almost! Buy the speakers then build the ent center :)

Later guys...doing a Diva demo tonight (I know, Friday night...pathetic). He's coming over to demo my 2.1's, little does he know, I'm going to turn him to the 6.1 side of the force. Your check book can not resist my demo prowess!! lol...sorry for cracking myself up there...



Have a good evening, a good beer and a good CD.


Sean
post #58 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by TinHere
Of course you can disregard the above for the folly it is except for the part about thoroughly enjoying the Diva's.
pmf,
Sorry for my folly if you misconstrued it as real concern. I have argued this elsewhere representing the POV that the conditions are modern and the jobs represent opportunity for the workers.

David Scott,
I'm glad to hear the Diva's lived up to the "hype". I have unashamedly admitted being an unpaid and unaffiliated "shill" in many past battles at another venue. I guess there will always be an element that seeks to "rain on the parade" but it is almost certainly someone who hasn't lived with the Diva's.
;)
post #59 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by MattCoon
I keep reading excellent reviews of av123's customer support, but I have been emailing them with questions this week and have grown increasingly miffed with their slow responsiveness (or lack thereof).

I know I am being picky here, but when I am considering paying a fairly large sum of money to a company, I expect timely responses (within a day or so), or at least some acknowledgement of my emails.

av123 is the only reason I did not order Divas this week.
Dear Sir...

Please accept my sincerest apologies...

May I please ask to what e-mail address did you send this mail... or to whom...

We DID have a server problem some weeks ago... but our ISP fixed it...

I'm really worried... if you are reticent to post here... please e-mail me with your phone number and I will call you post haste.

mlschifter@perpetualtechnologies.com

Thanks... and all the best...

mls
post #60 of 3039
Quote:
Originally posted by HuskerHarley
I know I'm not alone in hearing the words: "TURN THAT DOWN" how can you listen to that so loud its ridiculous.

I recently returned home unexpected, and when I pulled into our garage I could feel the unmistakable vibrations of loud music coming from inside the house. Much to my surprise and even more to my wife's when I entered into the house she had the Diva's cranked to concert level!

All I did was stand there with a big :D on my face, I did not utter those dreaded words, instead I said I'll get my CDs out of the car, which she immediately vetoed. But I must say that I was happy to see that she too enjoys the Diva's the way they were meant to be played.

Now if I could just get her interested in watching and listening to movies the way I'm sure most of us do:rolleyes:

Harley
MY day is now complete...

I have also busted my 9 year old Granddaughter (Gracie) rockin' at full concert levels in *my* purpose built sound room.

What can I say... I stopped smiling maybe 3 hours later... :)

All the best...

mls
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