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post #1111 of 1210
I didn't get the first Blu-ray release so I'm glad to see a new edition. No pre-order? Looking forward to getting this.
post #1112 of 1210
The disc is now available from OPPO.
post #1113 of 1210
Great! Do you know if this will show up as an Amazon Prime item and when? Otherwise, I will go ahead and support OPPO now. Thank you.
post #1114 of 1210
Fulfilled by Amazon usually takes one to two weeks. This includes shipping to the facility they require as well as the ingestion time.
post #1115 of 1210
Done. Now the waiting game. Thanks to you and OPPO!
post #1116 of 1210
You will probably have it before we do! We only have check discs at this point, no finished product.

Once everyone starts using the disc, please ask questions. We will use this information to help us prioritize future articles. We will also be discussing the disc on an upcoming podcast.
post #1117 of 1210
Excellent. I probably will have it before you. I live about 10 mins from OPPO. Ha. Please do update us on the podcast. Tekzilla, htgeek, htguys, etc???
post #1118 of 1210
HT Geeks.
post #1119 of 1210
Seems like Oppo don't ship to Australia. Would waiting for Amazon be the best idea for international customers?

Also, what, if any, is the region coding on the 2nd edition disk?

Thanks, Hayden.
post #1120 of 1210
I have mail out to OPPO on international orders.

It supports all regions.
post #1121 of 1210
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

I have mail out to OPPO on international orders.

It supports all regions.

Excellent I will defintlitey buy a copy if there able to do that.
post #1122 of 1210
International shipping from Oppo US may be possible if you contact them first. From the Oppo Store help page:
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International Orders

International orders are usually shipped using USPS Express Mail International (EMI) or FedEx International Economy. Delivery time via USPS EMI varies between 4 to 15 business days and is typically handled by the local postal service in your country/region. International customers are responsible for any customs and/or other fees that may be levied on merchandise once it arrives in your country/region. Customs charges can vary widely from one country/region to another. If you are unsure, you should contact the customs agency in your country/region to find out if the items you are purchasing will be subject to customs or other fees.

Those shipping options are not available from the standard order form, so contact them directly to inquire.
post #1123 of 1210
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Those shipping options are not available from the standard order form, so contact them directly to inquire.

You left out the last line:
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Add item(s) to your shopping cart and select your country/region to see the estimated shipping cost.

Catch is, the only countries they offer are USA, Canada and Mexico. Seems like a bit of an oversight on Oppo's behalf: telling customers to do one thing, but it's currently impossible with their system. Would be nice to see this fixed.

I'll send them an email asking for shipping to Aus. I'm sure there are many HT fans over here that would love to get their hands on this disk ASAP.

Hayden.
post #1124 of 1210
Ordered yesterday and on the way already!

I'm a complete newbie here, so ill need some help most likely. Someone said its pointless getting this unless you have professional equipment to help with the calibration. I don't have anything so I'm hoping calibrating with the blu ray alone will suffice and improve my picture.

Looking forward to the audio and 3D section
post #1125 of 1210
Once discs arrive at Amazon, they will be able to handle international orders. There are also some dealers in the UK and Australia that will have some shipped to them. As we get links to new dealers, we will update our dealer page.
post #1126 of 1210
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There are also some dealers in the UK and Australia that will have some shipped to them.

Can you tell use who these dealers are? I'd prefer to buy locally if possible, but not sure who is going to be stocking the disk. Would be great of you can list them.

Hayden.
post #1127 of 1210
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Can you tell use who these dealers are?

Once they have discs, they will send me a URL and I will publish on our dealer page. The distributor works directly with the retailers, we are not involved.
post #1128 of 1210
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

Once they have discs, they will send me a URL and I will publish on our dealer page. The distributor works directly with the retailers, we are not involved.

Sounds good, I was thinking this might be the case.

Thank you for all the information, been very helpful. Now to get my hands on your blu-ray tongue.gif.
post #1129 of 1210
How does setting the white balance work on the new disc? I was having trouble understanding It on your website.
post #1130 of 1210
And how about gamma? The last disc you guys had had a gamma test but it didn't work too well. It would change when ever I changed the sharpness
post #1131 of 1210
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How does setting the white balance work on the new disc? I was having trouble understanding It on your website.

Visually or via measurement? The accurate way is using the equal energy window patterns and a colorimeter. If you have this, then you would have been trained on how to do it. It involves measuring the window patterns and then adjusting bias and gain controls.

Visually is a best guess. You go through the user level color temp controls and find the want that is the most neutral in color, ie gray. You want to avoid color temp modes that make the gray bars look more red or more blue. Again, without a gray reference, its hard to do. This is where the ISF, or THX, calibrators come in with their colorimeter and set it as close as possible.
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And how about gamma? The last disc you guys had had a gamma test but it didn't work too well. It would change when ever I changed the sharpness

Our last disc did not really have any gamma tests. We had the single pixel checker on the image cropping pattern. If I blended it meant gamma was 2.5 I believe. I would have go to back and look at that pattern. The Image cropping pattern on the new disc is for a gamma of 2.4.

We do have gamma patterns, but as our instructions say, they only work under specific conditions. Must be 1:1 pixel mapping. (ie no image scaling) Does not work on LCOS displays, wobblulation DLPs, and a lot of plasmas. This applies to the AVIA gamma as well as the WOW gamma patterns too. Though the WOW gamma patterns report the wrong results. I think they say my display has a gamma of 2.5 or 2.6, which is incorrect. Our gamma pattern reports 2.4 on my display and measuring using a light meter and 254 steps verifiers it is 2.4. smile.gif

If you have a single chip full resolution DLP, gamma patterns work well. The gamma patterns also work well on a lot of LCDs. Though we have seen some where single pixel on/off is darker and the pattern does not work in that situation.

Like white balance, gamma is most accurate when measured using the equal energy gamma patterns and a light meter like the Minolta LS100 or LS110.
post #1133 of 1210
Thanks. I ordered the new disc. Estimated date is May 2nd. So excited !
post #1134 of 1210
Initial Thoughts: Great disk!

Question: I have a GT50 and it seems like it does not handle any of the 24p motion content too well. The "tip" section says I should by able to read the fast scrolling text clearly. I'm not getting this result. The 60i runs really well though, any suggestions? I switched my blu ray player 24p output from auto to ON to OFF. Still seems blurry. Then your disk says to add motion interpolation - I don't want to do this. Thanks for you help.
post #1135 of 1210
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have a GT50 and it seems like it does not handle any of the 24p motion content too well.

Nothing really does. The only thing that makes any sort of improvement is dark frame / black frame insertion that is on a couple of high end Sony projectors. JVC offers some hybrid modes, but they are not as good. Dark frame insertion has some big down sides like loss of light output, lower contrast ratio, and flicker.

The industry has focused on the FPD disc, which is all 1080i60 content, which your GT probably does really well on. If you compare your GT to an LCD, you will find even the 24p content looks a lot better. I have a BT300 pro plasma and the 60i looks almost the same in motion as it does paused on the hammock clip. Its pretty incredible, but the 24p does not offer much improvement.

Now that we have put out some 24p motion patterns we hope they will focus on improving that outside of the frame interpolation modes that change the "look" of the image in what we feel is a negative way.
post #1136 of 1210
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Originally Posted by K1NeT1C USMC View Post

And how about gamma? The last disc you guys had had a gamma test but it didn't work too well. It would change when ever I changed the sharpness

Just to add to what Stacey said, these quick gamma checks where you compare a high-contrast pattern to a solid gray are really just a way of getting a rough idea of the actual gamma. We debated having them at all, but we decided we find them handy so we should include them.

You just need to know what their limitations are. They don't work well at all on LCOS displays. As you point out, sharpness can throw them off. Scaling can throw them off. However, scaling and sharpness usually throw them off by a small amount, so you can still get a rough idea. If the pattern says gamma is 2.4, you know it's in the 2.3-2.5 range. LCOS, however, just doesn't work right with these patterns. It appears that an LCOS cannot keep local contrast high enough in fine-grained patterns. For the vast majority of content, this is a very minor issue. Most real content doesn't have high-contrast fine patterns, and even if it does the small contrast loss doesn't ruin the image. But for these gamma-check patterns, it just throws the whole thing off.

You can actually measure gamma much more accurately using a cheap light meter than you can with one of these check patterns. I keep thinking I'm going to write a guide to using a photographic light meter to measure gamma, since most people are never going to buy an LS-100, and I suspect you can get a good enough result using a simple old-fashioned meter you can get on ebay for $20. Some of the old meters no longer have high absolute accuracy because of aging of the light sensors. But their relative accuracy is fine, and that's all you need for gamma measurement. The problem is that they're often not labeled in units that are easy to use. EV, for example, is a logarithmic scale that has a non-obvious relationship to something absolute like foot-lamberts. But I can make a spreadsheet that will do the conversions.
post #1137 of 1210
Just finished calibrating in regular and 3d mode. This is so much better then the 1st edition! Worth every penny. Thanks guys.
post #1138 of 1210
Thank you for the feedback.
post #1139 of 1210
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Originally Posted by K1NeT1C USMC View Post

Just finished calibrating in regular and 3d mode. This is so much better then the 1st edition! Worth every penny. Thanks guys.

Did settings like Contrast/Brightness/Color change from your previous calibration with the 1st edition? If so, how much?
Edited by D Bone - 5/2/13 at 5:09pm
post #1140 of 1210
Ordered on Sunday received it on Wednesday......will give it a try over the weekend I hope...

Complete newbie!
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