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post #2851 of 3190
2/2/10 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by el_kano View Post

Yeah, I can understand your frustration. The whole problem is the way HDMI is setup, depending on what hardware you have different products don't 'see' each other correctly.
Another option to consider is the EDID override (there should be a recent thread here on it and tulli is brilliant help). After that there is the Gefen HDMI detective (a piece of hardware to help correct issues with handshaking), unfortunately I don't know much about that so you probably want to look into it yourself.

I WILL go and check that out, but if you could reply, what is a quick synopsis of the EDID override? Thanks for all your help! this IS a great card!
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post #2852 of 3190
2/2/10 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by cheftuskey121 View Post

I WILL go and check that out, but if you could reply, what is a quick synopsis of the EDID override? Thanks for all your help! this IS a great card!

The EDID override may not be of any use, its just an option to look into. Mainly it's used to get bitstreaming working on the 5XXX series ATI cards, but it's possible it may help you.
Basically the issue with hardware is that the EDID (hardware information file) is ordered differently depending on what hardware you are using. So you change the settings in the appropriate file so that the relevant information is detected correctly.

Rereading your original post though I think the issue is more likely to be loss of signal due to cables/connection or an issue with drivers/HDMI handshaking. The EDID is usually used when detection of hardware capabilities is not working. Are you able to test other cables?
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post #2853 of 3190
2/2/10 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by el_kano View Post

The EDID override may not be of any use, its just an option to look into. Mainly it's used to get bitstreaming working on the 5XXX series ATI cards, but it's possible it may help you.
Basically the issue with hardware is that the EDID (hardware information file) is ordered differently depending on what hardware you are using. So you change the settings in the appropriate file so that the relevant information is detected correctly.

Rereading your original post though I think the issue is more likely to be loss of signal due to cables/connection or an issue with drivers/HDMI handshaking. The EDID is usually used when detection of hardware capabilities is not working. Are you able to test other cables?

I understand, at first I thought it was the cable supplied with the xonar card, because the picture kept cutting out like I described. So I unplugged it and used another, much longer cable. obviously this fixed it, because it just needed replugging as I later figured out. but even with this cable it would still do it. all of my cables are fine, and when this occurs, I can unplug ANY cable from any end in the whole chain, replug it, and its fixed. so that would lead me to believe it isnt a particular cable either :/

I know for a fact when I have two inputs into my receiver, (xonar card into hdmi 1, and my laptop into hdmi 2) if I switch inputs to the laptop and then shut the receiver and tv off, when I turn it back on (coming on to hdmi 2 where my laptop is) and switch over to my main computer, I dont have the problem. its only with a cold boot of the receiver and tv, when on the input that the xonar card is in. ive tried just switching inputs with nothing plugged in but to no avail. it needs another input active to tell the xonar card input that everything is ok when its time to switch. Hope all of that made sense
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post #2854 of 3190
2/3/10 at 2:49am
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Originally Posted by cheftuskey121 View Post

Hey all, I just joined this forum, after reading MUCH of this particular thread. Maybe I missed it, but I havent seen any problems like mine, and thats after google searching til my fingers hurt.

here's the problem. technically my card works just fine, but occasionally when I open a certain program (still undecided on what the trigger actually is but it does it with some games) the video and audio will cut out for a second, then back in, and repeat maybe 5-15 times before it becomes stable again. I can instantly remedy this buy unplugging and replugging the HDMI in to my receiver. Im sure though that this is not normal, and is getting frustrating. I am not having any other problems that I know of though, bitstreaming seems great when it is working.

I am running Win7 64bit in an HTPC and have the newest Win7 driver from the ASUS website. I have an geforce 9800gt and the most recent driver for that as well. My connection is gpu to hdav1.3 via HDMI, then HDMI out to receiver channel one. HDMI out to display in. Like I said, when its working, which is 90% of the time, its great. but it cutting in and out is irritating when I am far away from the comp and I have to unplug and replug. Hope someone can help, thanks guys!

I forgot to add that when go gpu HDMI out directly to display, and optical out of the the sound card to my receiver, I dont have these issues (but obviously its not the ideal connection) so that leads me to beleive its a compatibility issue somewhere either with my gpu, or my receiver.

Geforce 8 cards (the 9800gt is a rebadged 8800gt) are known to not get along too well with the HDAV1.3. It's a driver related issue that affects these old cards that could be fixed by, either downgrading to older drivers (18x.xx maybe or older), or by upgrading to a Geforce 9 card (9600gt works best in my record).
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post #2855 of 3190
2/3/10 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Geforce 8 cards (the 9800gt is a rebadged 8800gt) are known to not get along too well with the HDAV1.3. It's a driver related issue that affects these old cards that could be fixed by, either downgrading to older drivers (18x.xx maybe or older), or by upgrading to a Geforce 9 card (9600gt works best in my record).

Actually I didnt know they were rebadged 8800s. I thought the 9800gt was one of the best in the single card nVidia series you could get. I dont want to downgrade to a 9600 :/ I just came up from a 9400, and love the graphics I am getting. do you know of any problems with the newer 200 series? Also, a temporary-permanent fix (if ever a word exists) is that when turning my receiver and tv on, I can just switch receiver inputs with my remote from a blank input to hdmi 1 and it will be fine. sometimes it takes one switch, sometimes more. but it beats getting up. thanks again for all the help so far
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post #2856 of 3190
2/3/10 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by cheftuskey121 View Post

Actually I didnt know they were rebadged 8800s. I thought the 9800gt was one of the best in the single card nVidia series you could get. I dont want to downgrade to a 9600 :/ I just came up from a 9400, and love the graphics I am getting. do you know of any problems with the newer 200 series? Also, a temporary-permanent fix (if ever a word exists) is that when turning my receiver and tv on, I can just switch receiver inputs with my remote from a blank input to hdmi 1 and it will be fine. sometimes it takes one switch, sometimes more. but it beats getting up. thanks again for all the help so far

Well, there's the 9800gtx+ or the GTS250 (a 9800gtx+ really) also, which work great with the HDAV1.3.

The underlying problem is of course HDMI bad handshaking. I don't have a precise explanation, but Geforce 8 (and older) cards are more "PC monitor" oriented than HDTV/HDMI oriented, and even with new drivers lack the added compatibility with HDMI video/audio devices of newer cards.

So i would suggest some alternatives, from simplest or most conservative to wildest but best:

1. Try older drivers, especially 18x.xx (you can get them off Guru3d.com).

2. So far I've had NO success using the EDID override technique on older cards (Geforce 8 and below, ATI 3xxx and below). We could try this alternative anyway. Follow the link on my sig, and then click on the "step 3" link inside. You'll do step 1 & 2 to capture the full 256-bit EDID, BOTH of your HDTV and of your AVR. You must capture the [real-edid] EDID with moninfo in each case. Then post both EDIDs (just copy & paste) and I'll have a look at them to produce an overriden monitor driver that you'll install. Maybe this will work for you.

3. For a new card alternative, there're the two Geforce 9 cards I have suggested above. The GT200 series should be fine, although I don't have direct experience with them on a HDAV1.3. If you get handshaking issues with the latter anyway, an EDID override can always be tried.

4. Buy a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus. This is a 100% safe solution, albeit for $100!

5. The BEST alternative right now anyway, if you like, would be to just e-bay both the 9800gt and the Slim, and get an ATI 5770 (or even a 5750) which easily beats any of the above cards in performance at great price. On top of that you get the ability to bitstream wherever you want, from TMT3 (a patch is about to be released) to 7MC.

Phew ... there's no more to do than this, I guess, so make your choice ...
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post #2857 of 3190
2/3/10 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Well, there's the 9800gtx+ or the GTS250 (a 9800gtx+ really) also, which work great with the HDAV1.3.

The underlying problem is of course HDMI bad handshaking. I don't have a precise explanation, but Geforce 8 (and older) cards are more "PC monitor" oriented than HDTV/HDMI oriented, and even with new drivers lack the added compatibility with HDMI video/audio devices of newer cards.

So i would suggest some alternatives, from simplest or most conservative to wildest but best:

1. Try older drivers, especially 18x.xx (you can get them off Guru3d.com).

2. So far I've had NO success using the EDID override technique on older cards (Geforce 8 and below, ATI 3xxx and below). We could try this alternative anyway. Follow the link on my sig, and then click on the "step 3" link inside. You'll do step 1 & 2 to capture the full 256-bit EDID, BOTH of your HDTV and of your AVR. You must capture the [real-edid] EDID with moninfo in each case. Then post both EDIDs (just copy & paste) and I'll have a look at them to produce an overriden monitor driver that you'll install. Maybe this will work for you.

3. For a new card alternative, there're the two Geforce 9 cards I have suggested above. The GT200 series should be fine, although I don't have direct experience with them on a HDAV1.3. If you get handshaking issues with the latter anyway, an EDID override can always be tried.

4. Buy a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus. This is a 100% safe solution, albeit for $100!

5. The BEST alternative right now anyway, if you like, would be to just e-bay both the 9800gt and the Slim, and get an ATI 5770 (or even a 5750) which easily beats any of the above cards in performance at great price. On top of that you get the ability to bitstream wherever you want, from TMT3 (a patch is about to be released) to 7MC.

Phew ... there's no more to do than this, I guess, so make your choice ...

wow, thanks for all of the response. well I WELL within my return period for both cards, as I bought them the same time about 5 days ago. In your opinion what would be better, or even easier.... the ATI 5770 or a GTS250 (or even a 260) Ive done so much reading but its hard to quantify the greatness of particular cards. Ive read good things about the 5770 but what makes it so special. I obviously dont want to spend an arm and a leg, but I would rather BUY something thats going to work like its meant to vs making it work (as I am doing it now). Thanks again Tulli, and sorry for all the questions.
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post #2858 of 3190
2/4/10 at 3:01am
Both 5770 & 5750 outperform the GTS250 (and crush, of course a 9800gt).

And if you want bitstreaming, like I said before, the ATIs do it with all three commercial players (PDVD9. WinDVD2010 & TMT3 with following patch), By using latest ffdshow Albain's version you can bitstream with any directshow player, includind WMP and on Media Center (it should be done also with the HDAV1.3 by using the Arcsoft audio renderer, but so far, I have not been able to make it work on Media Center or WMP). But just to give you an idea, I can bitstream HD audio right now with my .MKVs on Media Browser (best frontend for Media Center IMO).

Of course, the ffdshow part is not out of the box, but very good guides have been done to make this easier. If you want to have an idea just read through recent posts on the official 5xxx thread.
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post #2859 of 3190
2/4/10 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Both 5770 & 5750 outperform the GTS250 (and crush, of course a 9800gt).

And if you want bitstreaming, like I said before, the ATIs do it with all three commercial players (PDVD9. WinDVD2010 & TMT3 with following patch), By using latest ffdshow Albain's version you can bitstream with any directshow player, includind WMP and on Media Center (it should be done also with the HDAV1.3 by using the Arcsoft audio renderer, but so far, I have not been able to make it work on Media Center or WMP). But just to give you an idea, I can bitstream HD audio right now with my .MKVs on Media Browser (best frontend for Media Center IMO).

Of course, the ffdshow part is not out of the box, but very good guides have been done to make this easier. If you want to have an idea just read through recent posts on the official 5xxx thread.

Ahhhh, good info! Thanks a bunch. Possibly my only last question is, My onboard sound was totally unacceptable, popping and such, which is why I got a dedicated sound card in the first place, but will getting say a 5770 still use my onboard audio or is it its own separate audio drivers in the card itself. I figured you wouldnt guide me to a card that wouldnt give me better audio than what I started with, but I have to ask anyway. Thanks again. I already have CCCP which I believe uses ffdshow with WMP anyway. So as long as audio is snazzy, and video is snazzier, I will be returning my audio and video cards, and actually be saving a little money
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post #2860 of 3190
2/4/10 at 1:38pm
Well, you would just use the 5770 hdmi out (which carries video + audio) the same way you're using the Slim hdmi-out to the AVR now. No need of onboard audio or a separate HDMI audio card. Just one card for video and audio!

There's the native ATI HDMI audio driver that you get with normal Catalyst drivers. And there's also the much better Realtek ATI HDMI audio device driver that you download off Realtek site.

You will have to upgrade to latest ffdshow versions that bitstream HD audio, etc ... but that's part of the setting up that you'll learn when you get going with the card.
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post #2861 of 3190
2/4/10 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Well, you would just use the 5770 hdmi out (which carries video + audio) the same way you're using the Slim hdmi-out to the AVR now. No need of onboard audio or a separate HDMI audio card. Just one card for video and audio!

There's the native ATI HDMI audio driver that you get with normal Catalyst drivers. And there's also the much better Realtek ATI HDMI audio device driver that you download off Realtek site.

You will have to upgrade to latest ffdshow versions that bitstream HD audio, etc ... but that's part of the setting up that you'll learn when you get going with the card.

understood. I HAVE the realtek hd driver, because my setup is a mobo with hdmi out and a phenom II X2 550. so I am hoping its the lack of good sound hardware versus having the realtek drivers or not because I already have those and get sound thats no bueno. Sounds like everything will be alright if I switch over to a 5770 I appreciate all the help!
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post #2862 of 3190
2/8/10 at 10:45am
lets peddle the ATI5xxx cards in thier threads not the slim thread. Besides I have both and the ATI 5770 to date does not work with my DENON without a 3rd party hack. The slim however is still kicking a@@ and bitstreaming everything I throw at it with zero problems.
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post #2863 of 3190
2/16/10 at 3:55am
Hi all,
I connected my xonar hdav1.3 card as follows:
Graphic card => Xonar => AVR => Monitor. That's it: the video of the graphic card + audio from the Xonar goes to AVR to get sound, and video out to the display device.
1. Turn off PC, TV lCD, avr yamaha RX-V1065.
2. Plug DVI-HDMI cable(The one accesories of card xonar hdav1.3) into HDMI in of card xonar hdav1.3, the DVI I pluged into DVI port of card ATI 4670 HD.
3. Pluged HDMI-HDMI cable into HDMI out of card xonar, and into HDMI-in of avr yamaha RX-V1065.
4. Pluged HDMI-HDMI into HDMI out of avr yamaha RX-V1065 and into HDMI-in (HDMI1) of TV LCD Toshiba.
5. Turn on TV=>avr=>PC.
(I still not purchased speakers yet so I still not connect speakers to arv yet).

- The result:
After I turned on PC, TV LCD and avr, the PC could receive the video signal from HDMI out port of avr yamaha. The TV LCD screen displayed bios, then logo of windows7.

But the problem is after displaying the logo of windows7, it then must display windows password screen so that I can type my windows password for logging in to win7. In fact the LCD TV screen flicked for a while then changed into gray color all over LCD screen forever.
(Sorry for my bad english)
My PC is set to 1920x1080 resolution with 60Hz.
How can I solve this problem?
Thanks in advanced.
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post #2864 of 3190
2/17/10 at 7:29pm
Hi all:

I have a question related to the Xonar HDAV Center slim. To what I learned is: If I want to make the DTS HD or Dolby Digital HD working, I need to set the audio channel to 8 channels, set audio format to PCM 192 KHZ and HDMI out to 7.1 speaker...etc. Now my issue is: On my Xonar HDAV Center Slim, I don't have the "Audio Channel" I can choose but just only Audio Format and HDMI OUT. Could you tell me why? Thanks for your advance.
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post #2865 of 3190
2/17/10 at 11:06pm
Fixed the issue. THanks!
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post #2866 of 3190
2/19/10 at 5:41pm
Ok, here's my part, I have been looking at the Slim for quite some time but my setup is, onboard optical to my receiver, i use TMT3 and the receiver shows up as DTS 5.1 and i can "upscale" it to 7.1 with my receiver, all this with optical and the onboard sound
now my question is, would using the hdmi with the Asus Xonar HDAV1.3 Slim be better or would it be the same?
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post #2867 of 3190
2/20/10 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by paradizecityz View Post

Ok, here's my part, I have been looking at the Slim for quite some time but my setup is, onboard optical to my receiver, i use TMT3 and the receiver shows up as DTS 5.1 and i can "upscale" it to 7.1 with my receiver, all this with optical and the onboard sound
now my question is, would using the hdmi with the Asus Xonar HDAV1.3 Slim be better or would it be the same?

There would not be any improvement for standard DVD's, except the audio would be sent over HDMI. The Slim will allow you to bitstream audio (send the audio untouched) from Blu-Rays or other sources that have DTS Master Audio or Dolby True HD. The Slim uses HDMI connections therefore you will also need a receiver or pre-pro that has HDMI input and can decode Dolby True HD and DTA-MA. You will need TMT 3 Platinum retail version to integrate with Windows Media Center.
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post #2868 of 3190
2/20/10 at 12:51pm
My receiver is a Denon 2809 and I believe it can decode the HD audio, in my orignal post, I didn't mean comparing a SD movie vs a Blu-ray movie but I was speaking on terms of the same source/movie
Ok so I have these downloaded blu-ray movie rips that were encoded with DTS, or thats what they said, and when I play them in TMT3 with my optical cable, my receiver shows up saying DTS 5.1 and then I would "matrix" it up to 7.1 using my receiver, I was trying to ask, would it sound the same using the same setup but instead of the optical cable, I have the dedicated sound card using HDMI, would I sound the same? I know in order to get true 7.1, it would depend on the source so in the end with HDMI, I would also get DTS 5.1 then I would also have to "matrix" it up to 7.1 via my receiver, so would the HDMI sound the same as the optical since I'm getting the same?
sorry if this is confusing...
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post #2869 of 3190
2/25/10 at 11:09am
I am wondering if I should get this card for an HTPC/Gaming rig setup, aside from bitstreaming would this card do well with games such as CoD MW2 or Mass Effect 2?
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post #2870 of 3190
3/1/10 at 11:07pm
Hello everybody...

It seems that I've a little problem with my Xonar HDAV Slim and TMT3!

I just moved from Windows 7 back to Windows XP because of my ION Board and MediaPortal. But since then the option for HDMI passthrough inside Audio Settings of TMT3 is gone?!

I'm using the latest drivers from asus page and the latest update .170 for TMT3!
In Xonar Controll panel HDMI is selected with 7.1 and 192hz!

What Did I do wrong?

Best Regards
Christian "The_Iceman" Witt
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post #2871 of 3190
3/2/10 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by The_Iceman View Post

Hello everybody...

It seems that I've a little problem with my Xonar HDAV Slim and TMT3!

I just moved from Windows 7 back to Windows XP because of my ION Board and MediaPortal. But since then the option for HDMI passthrough inside Audio Settings of TMT3 is gone?!

I'm using the latest drivers from asus page and the latest update .170 for TMT3!
In Xonar Controll panel HDMI is selected with 7.1 and 192hz!

What Did I do wrong?

Best Regards
Christian "The_Iceman" Witt

It's not there with .170. Xonar Slim will be under sound card and set mixing mode to primary. Passthrough will be indicated if you activate the info panel.

Also I noticed, In XP, every time I start up the system I have to go into audio properties and raise the wave audio or there is no audio.
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post #2872 of 3190
3/3/10 at 1:30am
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Also I noticed, In XP, every time I start up the system I have to go into audio properties and raise the wave audio or there is no audio.

Thanks Davinleeds... started to make me crazy!

Hmm... I don't have that problem with the wave audio on XP 32...
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post #2873 of 3190
3/5/10 at 2:00am
Hi!

I'm new here so i hope the question is in the right place.
Yesterday i bought a Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 Slim.

Everything is installed correct, output settings on HDMI, i see in the Xonar panel the wave lines going up and down. In windows it goes also up and down.

But if i turn on my receiver trought HDMI i don't get any sound out of it!
If i connect it trought the Spdif option the sound is working.
But that's not whatfor I bought it.

Can it be that the HDMI connection on the card is not working? Or is there something else i don't see?

My setup:

Windows 7 NL 64 bit Ultimate
Denon AVR-1910 receiver
Gold plated HDMI 1.3 cable.

I hope you understand it correctly, i'm from the Netherlands so my english isn't that good, haha

Hope someone can help me!

Kind Regards,

Jeroen
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post #2874 of 3190
3/5/10 at 4:22am
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Originally Posted by jkroon View Post

Hi!

I'm new here so i hope the question is in the right place.
Yesterday i bought a Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 Slim.

Everything is installed correct, output settings on HDMI, i see in the Xonar panel the wave lines going up and down. In windows it goes also up and down.

But if i turn on my receiver trought HDMI i don't get any sound out of it!
If i connect it trought the Spdif option the sound is working.
But that's not whatfor I bought it.

Can it be that the HDMI connection on the card is not working? Or is there something else i don't see?

My setup:

Windows 7 NL 64 bit Ultimate
Denon AVR-1910 receiver
Gold plated HDMI 1.3 cable.

I hope you understand it correctly, i'm from the Netherlands so my english isn't that good, haha

Hope someone can help me!

Kind Regards,

Jeroen

In the windows control panel, set the default sound device to 'Speakers'.
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post #2875 of 3190
3/5/10 at 4:23am
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Originally Posted by ballenjr View Post

In the windows control panel, set the default sound device to 'Speakers'.

That is the default device but no sound

Edit: The HDMI on the denon works fine, tested it with a real blu ray player. So it must be the soundcard, but cant find anything...
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post #2876 of 3190
3/5/10 at 2:01pm
Anyone have any idea why my projector would be detecting an interlaced signal from my Xonar? If I play the same video through my laptop's hdmi output, it detects progressive scan.
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post #2877 of 3190
3/5/10 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by mears View Post

Anyone have any idea why my projector would be detecting an interlaced signal from my Xonar? If I play the same video through my laptop's hdmi output, it detects progressive scan.

I would have to assume that your laptop does not have a slot for the Xonar therefore you must be using another computer with the Xonar. Your video card must be set to interlaced.
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post #2878 of 3190
3/6/10 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by jkroon View Post

Hi!

I'm new here so i hope the question is in the right place.
Yesterday i bought a Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 Slim.

Everything is installed correct, output settings on HDMI, i see in the Xonar panel the wave lines going up and down. In windows it goes also up and down.

But if i turn on my receiver trought HDMI i don't get any sound out of it!
If i connect it trought the Spdif option the sound is working.
But that's not whatfor I bought it.

Can it be that the HDMI connection on the card is not working? Or is there something else i don't see?

My setup:

Windows 7 NL 64 bit Ultimate
Denon AVR-1910 receiver
Gold plated HDMI 1.3 cable.

I hope you understand it correctly, i'm from the Netherlands so my english isn't that good, haha

Hope someone can help me!

Kind Regards,

Jeroen

Which ASUS drivers are you using? Which TMT version are you using (ASUS OEM or Arcsoft retail and which version number) And lastly what is your source for testing the audio (Blu-ray disc, DVD disc, folder rip or iso image)?
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post #2879 of 3190
3/8/10 at 8:24am
I just have to register my disgust with this card. The thing hasn't even been out for a year. I have spent many hours trying to get the ASUS TMT + Xonar Slim working on Windows 7 with no results. Perhaps I will post my config here but right now I am just planning to throw it in the trash and try an ATI 5xxx graphics card instead.
Problem was with my nVidia 8800GT. It can't figure out how to turn off its "graphics board sound" in the nVidia control panel. I tried the latest drivers. People have been having trouble with these 8xxx series (and 9600) for a while. So its the nVidia that's going in the trash can.
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post #2880 of 3190
3/8/10 at 11:54am
TMT3+Xonar+win7 64 bit here. works like a charm and less buggy than my HD 5770
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