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post #91 of 3195
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Originally Posted by xgecko View Post

I think they may have wised up. Might even have paid attention to the Auzen debacle...

That said I am quite disappointed that I have to wait until the end of April. I will go back and sob quietly in the corner now...

$150 is a bit hard to swallow when you can go out and get a full standalone for that price, but then again it does also come with a full license for the software.

One of these may very well be in my future.

Also I would think that if bitstreaming ever gets to be more publicly accessible by other applications (SlyPlayer?) the xonar will be the first product to get support.
post #92 of 3195
MyAV,

Thanks for the info you've posted so far. Could you confirm if the headphone output works? Also, could you confirm if it is possible to use the analog headphone out and the HDMI audio out at the same time?

I work at an auditorium and want to bitstream the audio over HDMI to my receiver, and then get an analog remix out the headphone jacks for the auditorium cabin.

If it isn't possible, do you know if that is something they plan on adding with a driver update? Thanks.
post #93 of 3195
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

$150 is a bit hard to swallow when you can go out and get a full standalone for that price, but then again it does also come with a full license for the software.

One of these may very well be in my future.

Also I would think that if bitstreaming ever gets to be more publicly accessible by other applications (SlyPlayer?) the xonar will be the first product to get support.

OMG! Are you suggesting that I actually be rational and buy a standalone player? Heresy I say! Off with his head! He is actually making sense and we cannot have that here!

What part of HTPC don't you get? Apparently you don't get the part about endless hassle, waiting for vaporware, harsh glares from the family while you fiddle with settings in the vain hope that you might get the movie to play after 5 reboots and constant assurances of "It will only be a moment"... You must be in the camp of those that actually enjoy putting a movie in the drive and having it play! We can't have that here!

Take your sacrilege and blasphemy to another thread before I beat you with a discarded video card!
post #94 of 3195
Better yet whip him with an HDMI cable.
post #95 of 3195
Soon it shall be "discarded audio card". sotti's a good guy.
post #96 of 3195
As posted by myAV: "The Slim is a PCI card (5.5" length and 2.0" height) and comes with a low profile card bracket "

Does this mean it'll fit in a microATX case?

Thanks,
post #97 of 3195
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Originally Posted by Dalat View Post

As posted by myAV: "The Slim is a PCI card (5.5" length and 2.0" height) and comes with a low profile card bracket "

Does this mean it'll fit in a microATX case?

Thanks,

Yes, although there are full height and low profile mATX, this card will work in pretty much any PCI slot.
post #98 of 3195
I can deal with $150 if it gets me a copy of TMT.

My big question is. What are the inherent differences between the slim and the full size?
post #99 of 3195
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Originally Posted by Morphyne View Post

I can deal with $150 if it gets me a copy of TMT.

My big question is. What are the inherent differences between the slim and the full size?

You mean besides more than $50 in costs, analog daughter card option and PCI Express architecture
post #100 of 3195
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Originally Posted by Morphyne View Post

I can deal with $150 if it gets me a copy of TMT.

My big question is. What are the inherent differences between the slim and the full size?

Unless you need analog or don't have any available PCI slots there is really no reason to buy the non-Slim. Oh, I guess if you needed the card right now
post #101 of 3195
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Originally Posted by William View Post

You mean besides more than $50 in costs, analog daughter card option and PCI Express architecture

Right so functionally for HDMI audio it's the same.

Don't forget the splendid video processor that everyone turns off.
post #102 of 3195
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

Right so functionally for HDMI audio it's the same.

Don't forget the splendid video processor that everyone turns off.

So the Slim won't have the Splendid video chip? That is great news since it one less potential problem of unnecessary junk in the video/audio chain to deal with.
post #103 of 3195
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Originally Posted by William View Post

So the Slim won't have the Splendid video chip? That is great news since it one less potential problem of unnecessary junk in the video/audio chain to deal with.

I asked that very same question earlier in their thread and still haven't gotten a firm answer yet. At least not anywhere in this thread.
post #104 of 3195
PCI? Too bad it isn't PCI-Xpress. PCI, yuk
post #105 of 3195
Personally, I'm very happy the slim is a PCI card. It'll work with my formerly retired Shuttle that has only two expansion slots, PCI-E and PCI, with a an ATI HD4350 card with HDMI taking the PCI-E slot.
post #106 of 3195
Thread Starter 
Hi myAV,

It is killing me reading about all these folks enjoying the (im)perceptible improvement in sound they get with bitstreaming and full res audio. Do you have any more firm date for when the Slim card will show up on sites such as Newegg or ZipZoomFly?
post #107 of 3195
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Originally Posted by xgecko View Post

Hi myAV,

It is killing me reading about all these folks enjoying the (im)perceptible improvement in sound they get with bitstreaming and full res audio.

??? I cannot make up my mind: is this funny or silly? Please explain why are you so keen in wasting away your money in a sound card that you already deem will give you "an (im)perceptible improvement in sound".
post #108 of 3195
There are other ways in which bitstreaming is an advantage, with the sorry state of PC software players and their decoders/mapping problems...

That's the main reason (pretty much the only one) I got an HDAV. Although it was disappointing in other regards... but that b1tching is already done.
post #109 of 3195
Ok Andy, but that MUST in the end translate into a improvement in sound quality, otherwise it´s obviously a waste of money IMO. I myself do hear the difference and am 100% happy with my HDAV.

Back to topic ...
post #110 of 3195
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

??? I cannot make up my mind: is this funny or silly? Please explain why are you so keen in wasting away your money in a sound card that you already deem will give you "an (im)perceptible improvement in sound".

You expect me to have a rational reason for wanting something?

I want it because I am very curious about how much of a real improvement there is, it comes with TMT, it might make my life easier, it will give me an improvement on what I have now as I am getting DTS on DTS-MA tracks, and in general because it seems like it is a cool setup.

So while the card may not really be worth it I am willing to give it a shot in the hope that it is really an improvement. Besides that, it is cool!

Oh, and did I mention that I am sick and tired of hearing all the wonderful things about bitstreaming and want some of that good stuff?
post #111 of 3195
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Ok Andy, but that MUST in the end translate into a improvement in sound quality, otherwise it´s obviously a waste of money IMO. I myself do hear the difference and am 100% happy with my HDAV.

Back to topic ...

Not sound quality per se... just things like your speakers always putting out sound where it belongs (not side/rear surrounds confusion), or TrueHD 7.1 being decoded correctly in 7.1 and not in 5.1. These are real problems with decoding in the PC with current software. Bitstreaming avoids that. The HDAV in particular though introduces more inconveniences for me than it solves unfortunately.
post #112 of 3195
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Originally Posted by xgecko View Post

You expect me to have a rational reason for wanting something?

I want it because I am very curious about how much of a real improvement there is, it comes with TMT, it might make my life easier, it will give me an improvement on what I have now as I am getting DTS on DTS-MA tracks, and in general because it seems like it is a cool setup.

So while the card may not really be worth it I am willing to give it a shot in the hope that it is really an improvement. Besides that, it is cool!

Oh, and did I mention that I am sick and tired of hearing all the wonderful things about bitstreaming and want some of that good stuff?

Only that you're paying $150 for just satisfying your curiosity, it seems, and are even skeptical about its worth. Anyway it's your money .

I paid more than $200 for my deluxe because I was 100% sure that it would sound better than downsampled LPCM. Read all available informed reviews, here in the forum and elsewhere and took the plunge, and it was worth it! BTW I've just received my second HDAV (9 serial) for my 2nd HTPC.
post #113 of 3195
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Only that you're paying $150 for just satisfying your curiosity, it seems, and are even skeptical about its worth. Anyway it's your money .

I paid more than $200 for my deluxe because I was 100% sure that it would sound better than downsampled LPCM. Read all available informed reviews, here in the forum and elsewhere and took the plunge, and it was worth it! BTW I've just received my second HDAV (9 serial) for my 2nd HTPC.

Well, I may be a member of the more money than brains club. I have hope that one way or another my HTPC experience will be improved and with luck that will include both more reliable playback (due to TMT) and better sound (due to the ability to use lossless codecs properly). Given that the card includes TMT I felt it worth the gamble but only up to $150 where I can rationalize it as being a $60 sound card for my HTPC...

Then again, given that it has been repeatedly proven that I have tin ears and cannot hear the subtle differences between formats I may very well be wasting my money! The only way to know for sure is to plunk my cash down and try the thing. After all, if it turns out to be a waste I am sure I can either return it or sell it to some poor sucker on the forum...

Or I can always beat sotti with it for suggesting I would be better off buying a standalone player... It might even stay attached to an HDMI cable long enough to knock some sense into him! And if I time the swing right it will bonk him regardless...
post #114 of 3195
Lol

post #115 of 3195
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Originally Posted by xgecko View Post

Hi myAV,

It is killing me reading about all these folks enjoying the (im)perceptible improvement in sound they get with bitstreaming and full res audio. Do you have any more firm date for when the Slim card will show up on sites such as Newegg or ZipZoomFly?

Sorry guys, had to be away from home for a few days, so I didn't have much time to do further testing. I will do more testing later this week and report back. In the mean time I will see how close we are with the release date later today.
post #116 of 3195
So do we have any idea when this may be coming out? I am looking forward to a good way to bitstream out of my htpc.
post #117 of 3195
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Originally Posted by zryder View Post

So do we have any idea when this may be coming out? I am looking forward to a good way to bitstream out of my htpc.

Did you think in the 11 minutes since myAV posted things changed?
post #118 of 3195
sorry, i was sitting on the reply button, and hadnt seen that message when I posted.

Thanks myAV for your updates
post #119 of 3195
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Originally Posted by zryder View Post

So do we have any idea when this may be coming out? I am looking forward to a good way to bitstream out of my htpc.

Checked again today, didn't get an exact release date, but Asus says they are still on schedule, means it will be released this month.(Hold on guys, I know Asus is in final talks with Arcsoft so this thing hits the shelves soon)
post #120 of 3195
Is the SPDIF out active together with HDMI audio, or is this again one or the other?
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