Input lag wars!, post your input lag results of your LCD display here for reference - Page 36

thanks for the advice frito. you too shaddix. makes me feel better cause I was really hesitant about getting rid of this sucker. time to pull out the back brace and get this guy to his new home.

Didi anyone test the SOny bravia ex400 (1, 2, 3) ?

I am lost here. I want a new TV to upgrade from my old samsung 32" to a 40" but can't seem to find a good tv that has good PQ and input lag.

I just bought a samsung ln46C650 and notice imput lag even in game mode. I did the Rockband 2 input lag test (I know it's nothing scientific but that's the only method I have right now) and where previously my old samsung would give me 24ms in average, I'm getting 55-56ms in average with the new TV.

I am returning the TV because First, it's too bad for my living room and second, the screen is too glossy for my taste. I was considering just taking the LN40C610 (pretty much the same TV except smaller and not has glossy screen) but before I got ahead and suck up the imput lag (which I guess I could live with playing xbox 360, but it's too bad when playing the wii), I am wondering one important thing.

Is there any 40" TV that you can still buy today in store (relatively new) that has good input lag? Because most of the models listed in the first thread of this page can't be purchased easily anymore, espicially if you are in canada like me.

If I go with a 60hz TV, are my chance of getting less input lag better? I am seeing a samsung LN40C540 which is like the C650 series but without 120hz and a bit less contrast. I am wondering if I'd have a better chance at getting less input lag? I also guess if I were to find a 720P TV, I would also reduce input lag althoug finding a 40" with 720P will be a challenge.

I can live with 30ms of input lag I believe. Again, not a scientific test, but My 5 years old Sammy 32" LCd shows 25ms lag doing the Rock Band 2 calibration test (using the RB 2 guitar to captur flashes of light from the screen). When I ran the same test on the Samsung LN46C650, I had an average of 56ms and the lag was noticable while it's not on my 5 years old TV.

I went to best buy last night and had a discussion with one of the sales guy. For a first, the guy actually knew about input lag and I had some discussion with him, We looked at the Panasonic and the LG (for some reason, not a lot of stores carries Sharp around here). the panasonic black level bugs me a lot (c22). It looks so much worst than everyone else.

Than there is LG. The store clerk told me he had last year LH40 (120hz, with option to turn of motionblur) model and said that he didn't have any noticeble lag when playing games. He then showed me 2 LG sets, the 42LD450 (60hz) and the 42LD520 (120Hz). Both much cheaper than the Sammy C650 I bought and retuned because of input lag.

At least, the LG picture quality was something a lot better than what I was seeing from the pannies in the store.

I'm torn, I'd like to try both but don't want to play the buy / return every single time. When I return my C650 at costco, I got a warning that If I were to start doing this often, I could get my refund refused at some point.

Any data on the 42LD520 or 42LD450? What type of pannel, if it's an IPS or if any of them have good chances of being good input lag wise. For the record, the 42LD520 shows a 2ms respond time and the 42LD450, something like 4ms.

Hey guys, first post here.

Read up on the last couple of pages and from what I understood you're all pretty hyped about the S1 (which should be the S10 in Europe I guess? Me from Ger).
I'm just researching on what best Gaming TV to get and I've come across the S20 (S2 in US?!) which has had very good test results as far as gaming is concerned (check review here hXXp://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50s20b-tx-p42s20b-20100511647.htm) vs the GW10 (G10 in US).

First thing is, the S20 from this year is probably on par with the G10 from last year (although the latter has been pricier originally) through improvements and what not. So I guess it would be the wisest choice to get the S20 (S2? Is it really that in the US?) because it's cheaper and has 2010 standard unlike the G10 (G20 has had pretty bad results, so it's not S20 vs G20).

So yeah, to get this clear: I wanted to buy the S20 but now I'm reading people in 2010 are so excited about the S10 (or S1)... why is that? Was the S20 also a step down in comparison to the S10 (or S1) as far as responsiveness/input lag goes?

Greets

*PS* and we're talking about the plasma tv here, of course. (just saying because there is also the LxxS2)

*ps*#2 just now seeing that this thread is only supposed for LCD displays.. then my post is of course in the wrong spot. might be someone still has a bit of knowledge on my concerns ^^

*ps*#3 but that's a question I can ask here: why is nobody speaking about the (L)S2? Is it significantly worse than the S1 or what (Input Lag)?

*ps*#4 oh, frito stated in the OP that the V10 was the equivalent to S1 in Europe - what is the S10 then? 8[ (just for the prices: S10 is rather cheap with ~500 Euros (~607$) for the 37" model, the V10 costs about 900 Euros (~1100$) - which is more likely the S1 equivalent?)

I ended up bringing my xbox 360 at my local BB to try. Notice some lag, although not as bad as the samsung C650 I had bought, on the ld520 but I am not 100% sure that game mode was one when I tried it. By the time I got ready, I am wondering if the setting didin't reset because I started having some demo screen from the LG by the time I got to play seriously on it and wonder if like other TV in demo mode, settings reset after a few minutes.

I did try the LD450 (a 60hz tv) and for the first time, didn't notice any imput lag on it. Only drawback is that it's a 60hz TV (I wanted a 120 for when I watch hockey) and the view angle seemed worst than the LD520 which makes me believe they use a different pannel.

Gee, who would have thought that trying to replay my old samsung 32" (TN pannel) with black that looks like gray would be so hard...

Eager for someone to do a proper test of the Sammy C750 i.e normal mode\\game mode\\pc mode. Really want to upgrade to it from my A650 but would be loathed to swap something that has average of 1 frame lag in pc mode to something a lot worse. Has anyone got any views on this TV or the rest of the new range of Sammys in terms of input lag?

I think there is a thread about the C750 somewhere if you search for it and I think there was mention of some early input lag result but I think they are close to the C650 which mean, too much for what it should be. But check the thread.

Yes the C750 is one model I would like to see some good tested input lag from, as so far I seen only like '' I did not noticed a lot of lag'' like type of input lag info.

I got a sony 40WE5 and the lag of it drives me crazy sometimes so I not going for any tv that has more lag then those 2009 sony's.

I understand the feeling. I wen with" Not noticed a lot of lag" comment before when I bought the C650 and I couldn't stand the lag. That's how I notice I was sensible to input lag in video games. My old TN pannel samsing from 5 years ago probably had input lag but it'S so low that I can live with it. Looking to replace it with a 40" or so with similar imput lag but today's quality picture and hopefully some 120hz for when I am watching hockey. So far, it has prooven to be a much harder task than I had anticipated at first.

This Polish review (only available in full to paid subscribers):
http://hdtv.com.pl/forum/video/52681...v733-test.html




30ms in game mode and 80ms in standard mode with motion interpolation (100/120hz).
Also motion resolution seems to be close to perfect. Picture taken during fast horizontal scrolling:


MVA panel in 37inch version, S-PVA in 40 inch one.

Source: HDTV.COM.PL

do these input lag test results the same for gaming consoles?

Toshiba 40XV733
These are results for the Toshiba 40XV733 in case anyone is curious.

Thanks for posting the info szymon

so when taking these pictures, do you need to set the camera a certain way? Will any camera work?

Hi,anyone has tested the Sony Bravia XBR9?
I need suggestions to find a tv than have similar specifications from the Sony Bravia EX500, but with low input lag, for PS3,Xbox360

For anyone interested in the Sharp LE810UN. I purchased a 46" at Best Buy and ran some tests using a 60FPS camera. The test is pretty simple; I record myself pressing the jab button on the joystick and then count the frames until the first frame of Ryu's Jab start-up appears. The SRK guys have tested this to death and have come to conclude that SF4 on the Xbox 360 and a lagless display will have 4 frames of inherent lag.

Using Game Mode on the Sharp LE810UN connected to my Xbox via HDMI, I consistently counted 5 frames after the input frame before Ryu's Jab starts up. This correlates to 1 frame of input lag compared to a lagless display!

Picture below (from SRK member shinshoryuken) showing SF4 with 4 frames of lag (inherent) using lagless display.



Pic below is the LE810UN. 4 frames of inherent lag + 1 frame of input lag before first jab animation shows.

Wow, that's great news! Not only is there a nice big TV with low lag, but it's also readily available in-store. (Where were all the Sharps last year? Grrr...) Does the image quality compare well with other high-end sets?

The Street Fighter test is an intriguing alternative to the timer tests. It's probably only accurate +-1 frame, but it doesn't require a reference monitor, and is truly representative of what the TV does with a game console connected. (It's been reported here that some of the new Samsungs won't enable game mode unless they detect a game console through HDMI.) It also allows comparison of the various methods of scaling. (TV vs. console, 720p vs. 1080p)

This post at shoryuken clocks the LE810UN at 2 frames, but even that is in the "very good" range. Was your test at 720p or 1080p? The scaling might tip the results one way or the other.

Any chance you could do a timer test for comparison?

By the way, I made a script that automates creation of a 9-frame grid display. It's buried here in the shoryuken.com input lag thread.

Already did the 810 timer test. Check earlier on this thread. Of course, as noted there, it was limited by scaling due to lower res CRT, still, results were ~30 ms.

Ah, that's right, I forgot... I thought it was awesome that you dragged all that stuff into the store to test it out.

frito, do you think these two tests together are enough to qualify this set for the "Green Zone" in the first post?

I read through the last couple of pages, and honestly I am a noob with all of this, but I am looking to get a new TV soon. I will be playing lots of games on it, but I also want to use it to watch movies (blu-ray and DVD) and some HD broadcasts. So chances are I need a 120hz, but apparently they have more lag than a 60hz. Also the screen size I am looking at is 50" - 55".

Any help would be appreciated. I currently game on a 32" Toshiba Regza 720p and a 34" Sony CRT 1080i. I see almost no lag on the Toshiba and obviously there is none on the CRT.


Thanks in advance.

Hey that was actually my post. I was counting the frames wrong when I made that post (included the input frame and the first inherent lag frame together). Anyway I'll run some more tests in other setting when I have free time.

Some issues/concerns I have so far:
1. Using HDMI (haven't tested other inputs) I sometimes feel as though the audio lags but I'm not absolutely sure on this

2. Game mode definitely creates a washed out image that I've been trying to adjust with the limited settings available (because of game mode disabling the picture settings). I've gone through two of these and both have pretty noticeable clouding and flashlighting. You can easily tell the characters look even more washed out when they're at the edge of the screen as opposed to in the middle. I haven't touched the settings much, but so far there's just an overall lack of "pop" out of the box compared to my old LG LH90

This is more of a test and discussion thread and basically no one usually responds to these requests in here, too much clutter already so my advice would be to take the discussion to a brand new thread to get the full attention you deserve.

Also, many plasmas have decently low input lag (less than 40ms), so that's another chance at a good price on a decent gaming TV.

Oh yea, 120hz won't add lag if it can be disabled on a particular set

Good luck either way,

Thanks.

The problem with a plasma is the slight possibility of burn in. I play a lot of FPS games (hours upon hours of Halo and other games) so I worry about the HUD burning into the screen. I also posted in the "official help me choose a LCD" thread, but no response yet. I guess I might have to go with a separate thread.