Input lag wars!, post your input lag results of your LCD display here for reference - Page 39

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testsoftware/smtt.html

Just wish there was some way we could hook up HDMI 1.3 mini to the iPad, from the PS3 or 360, because the iPad is one heck of an amazing IPS Display.

I am also liking DELL IPS series. But hows the Input Lag?

I don't know but I just ordered a 46" from walmart.com Once it finally arrives, I'll evaluate it closely and if all is fine, I'll return this 670u to best buy so I don't have "live with" a dead pixel starring at me in tha face. It's a 100 bucks cheaper too and best buy says they won't price match "online prices"

Btw, I still think it's 40ms of input lag in game mode since i DID use SMMT app which according to these fine gents here, windows areo is taken out of the equation. I forgot to post the pics last night, I will for sure though.

Another TV again (even though it's technically the same one). Wow, you just can't stop yourself. Really KVM, come forward and admitt you have a problem. First step is the admitt it.

I know, I need a distraction or something. I get like this when I'm between girlfriends. Haha!

I misread. I guess it's 40ms like you stated, but considering I used to have a Sammy A650 I should be fine with the lag - which I swear had to be more than 1-2 frame delay in 1080p HDMI game mode.

So 40ms = how many frames?

The reason I want to stay away from a Panny plasma is due to the diminishing blacks issue.

This only affects the credits and letterbox bars. The black level when there is actual content on the screen does not change drastically like the MLL does.

I have a bad news for the TC-L42D2. I'm not buying it.

The pic tell all.


I when to check for it with my digital cam & took a macro out of it. Indeed, it's not an IPS alpha. Also the screen is semi gloss.

I wouldn't rule it out that fast. S-IPS panels are still pretty good, and I have yet to see evidence of a 42-inch Alpha in the wild.

Amazing that the contrast ratio game continues to get crazier. 2 million to 1 on an S-IPS panel? Without local dimming, that's about 2,000x off from reality.

Now that almost makes a Panny Plasma (or any other plasma due to input lag with the Sammy's and LG's) a no go for me. I plan on watcing movies and playing games in a finished basement with no lights on. Plus a lot of the movies I own are 2.35:1 so there will be black bars top and bottom.

I am really driving myself crazy with all of this info....lol. The most recent LCD's I have been looking at WERE the Sharp Quattron 810 or 820 and the Toshiba 670u. Now because I am reading about them, there seems to be some issues there as well. Not to mention the price of the Sharp TV's are a little high. At least I have some time (end of July) before I decide. UGH......I just wish I could have a dedicated game TV and a dedicated movie/broadcast TV. Not really a possibility though.

That first statement is beyond true...I am making myself crazy with all the info in this forum...lol. I have to head to some stores to check the TV's out for myself.

I'll be honest here, but for this year, Plasma is the way to go. Even with the Black level rising, everything is better. LCD are way too cheap & they even removed all the candy such as BBE & build quality.

Most people want thin panel, blurry matte screen, low viewing angle with incredible high lag display, super high ghosting fidelity. But that ain't for me. If it's continue like that I won't look at display for quite awhile.

Samsung's LN46C750 3D ready 46" LED LCD anyone? Searched back through page 30 of this thread and no hits. I've found a few customer reviews on Amazon that say there's no noticeable input lag when you put it on game mode. At a street price of $1300, it looks kinda tempting.

I'm so glad I bought my TV when quality matter and thin wasn't IN yet. Happy owner of a Samsung LN46A650 a time where everyone knew what they were getting when it came to certain TVs like for example mine all 40" a650 or higher TVs were of high quality same panel. When it came to input lag HDMI2-PC mode or VGA was super fast compare to any other 120hz TVs of the time and in general high quality TVs. Finally calibrated my TV and in both modes PC mode and regular mode after professional calibration the TV looks stunning. Barely can tell the difference between the two modes and it looks great. Before calibration only regular mode looked like great but PC mode not so good and admit it.

Now it is good and I would suggest people if they hate the TV trend of today to just search high and low for older TVs and get a warranty and calibrate it and be done with it. Of course uneducated igorant people see I have a Samsung and say horrible for gaming but only if they knew the A650-A860 40-52" models were special thanks to the PC mode or VGA and brought super fast low input lag and this is was a 120hz TV.

PC mode on this TV doesn't do what the Toshiba xv645u does in game mode. Color accuracy is not impaired and it doesnt show pixel smearing in dark images while moving over an even darker background like some games out there like FEAR game and didnt see it over the test to see if it did.

So good luck people in hunting down a good one only real regret I have was not buying the biggest size I can for this model at the time which would of been a 52".

EDIT= I will take my words back and say PC mode looks awesome after I got my TV calibrated and calibrated in PC mode as much as one can do with the limited settings and compare to the regular mode and PC mode it looks almost identical except for PC mode looking slightly softer just slightly but this works for gaming since some games have bad jaggies and it kinda of like a cheap anti-aliasing. I was too use to over sharp images but a calibrated image is not meant to be and finally see it. Get your TVs calibrated when you guys do find a good gaming TV later.

Btw my mom bought a 50" Samsung B550 plasma looks great after calibration (blacks were much better than my TV of course) so anyone need a better input lag test for this TV let me know I'll do it.

ok, so my first choice was samsung 55C650.. casue I had a 61" DLP samsung

now, after going through that thread, and this one....and input lag was a concern

the Toshiba 55" 670u is a better bet? (trying to get the PQ of the samsung VS the lag issue )


mind you..plan is:

HTPC --> Onkyo HTS7200 reciever ---> TV

HTPC for the following:
Blu ray disks
ripped movies (blu ray/ripped DVD)
ripped TV shows
hulu
netflix
DvD
music
ceton cable card tuner for recording/play

and the big one....

starcraft 2
competive pvp MMOs
FPS games (MW, bad company, L4D2, etc)

You say also LG.

But in the latest led model (i need a 32) what is the best in imput lag?

if he goes with the LD520 (I know it's not a LED but an LCD) I'm pretty sure it was 2 frames of input lag (about 30ms). I tried that TV for 2 weeks and didn't had any input lag and I am usually sensative to it.

I'm actually hoping I can score a good 34" HD CRT locally someday. They often sell for less than a cheap 32" LCD, and will outperform it by a mile.

I talked a friend of mine into looking for a 34XBR960, probably the best direct-view CRT ever made. He eventually found one for $300. He sold his LCD for more than that, and he couldn't be happier. I haven't seen it in person yet, but he says that it has the best picture he's ever seen. Even DVDs look stunning. Blacks are so black that in a dark room, a pause icon on a blank screen looks like it is floating in midair.

I will try to do an accurate lag test on it when I see it, but my expectation is that it will have 1 frame or less at 720p, which it scales to 1080i, and *zero* lag at 1080i.

The downsides to CRTs, of course, are the size, weight, power consumption, and limited screen size (they top out at 34".) There are probably issues with outdated or non-existent HDMI inputs, too. But if you can live with these limitations, it's the best of both worlds -- fantastic picture quality and unbeatable gaming performance, at the same time.

Hopefull I will have more to report on this soon...

32 inch Panasonic for bedroom, 5 feet away, for X-Box 360 and standard definition DVDs.Which one do I go with?

C22 for $400 which is 720p
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasoni...&skuId=9745961

U22 for $500 which is 1080p
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasoni...&skuId=9740811

X2 for $400 which is 720p
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Panasonic-TC-L32X2/14237659

Also, I don't know if I am going to be happy with the TV and keep it, or have to return it.So will I be able to use the TV without having to screw the TV's base into my entertainment center? I don't want to put a lot of holes into my entertainment center until I am positive that I like/am going to keep said TV.

Has anyone thought of using a "commercial" display before like the ones you see at airports etc. Right now on logicbuy.com there is a 32" samsung 720p for under 300 bucks on sale. I was thinking that a commercial display might be good for input lag as it is basically a large monitor and doesn't have very much image adjustment controls. Also they always have tons of inputs for different video sources. I know the picture quality wouldn't be the best but for a large low input lag gaming monitor it would work for me!! Just a thought.

"Digital signage" displays have been discussed on the shoryuken.com input lag thread. You have basically the same situation -- there's not enough test data, so you can't be sure that the one you choose will have low lag. It's pretty safe to say you won't have really high lag, but it might not be very low, either.

is it possible to quickly estimate input lag by going to Best Buy, looking at all the screens that are on the same signal, and finding the one that changes frames the fastest?

Would there be any reason that this wouldnt work?