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post #151 of 4189
NJPapi1977, just read a review on that monitor on CNET. CNET loved it. A couple of users claim that it does a bad job of stretching 720p PS3 games to 1080p. Any comments?
post #152 of 4189
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Originally Posted by frito View Post

for a PC i'm guessing?

Get any TN panel, good luck finding a native 1080p one at that size though

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Originally Posted by NJPapi1977 View Post

I recently bought the best Samsung monitor which is an LED set

got it at best buy and the model number is XL2370

Full 1080P and no lag at all with 2ms response time

one hdmi and dvi and audio output

thin as a hair to


Thanks for the replies
post #153 of 4189
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Originally Posted by frito View Post

for a PC i'm guessing?

Get any TN panel, good luck finding a native 1080p one at that size though

I almost want to make a huge list of 23inch native TN panel. There's a load of them online & sold at retail store.


LG 2353V
Gateway FHX2300
Samsung 2433LW
Acer X233H BD
HP W2338H
Samsung P2350
post #154 of 4189
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

NJPapi1977, just read a review on that monitor on CNET. CNET loved it. A couple of users claim that it does a bad job of stretching 720p PS3 games to 1080p. Any comments?

Not true. I use my monitor for gaming only with PS3 and 360

games are rendered in 16:9 which is a mode that is supported by the monitor in the options menu

I prefer to use screen fit.... That one is the tv version of dot to dot

all my games look flawless with screen fit for both consoles.
post #155 of 4189
THeres no LCd monitor with "no lag". It's just a question of how much NJPapi
post #156 of 4189
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Originally Posted by sharky974 View Post

THeres no LCd monitor with "no lag". It's just a question of how much NJPapi

many have negligible lag were talking 1-4ms and this is solely due to the pixel response speed. they have no input lag however

LCD monitors with input lag will be any panel with a VA type display and any TN with overdrive (RTC)

many TN panels that have overdrive can turn it off in the monitor menu to remove the input lag at the cost of more native pixel lag.

VA panels have input lag all the time because they have to use overdrive (RTC) all the time or else their pixel response times skyrocket and you would see massive smear and blur on the screen like it was an old passive matrix LCD in old laptops from the 90's
post #157 of 4189
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Originally Posted by Mr Deap View Post

I almost want to make a huge list of 23inch native TN panel. There's a load of them online & sold at retail store.


LG 2353V
Gateway FHX2300
Samsung 2433LW
Acer X233H BD
HP W2338H
Samsung P2350

Thanks for the list Mr Deap
post #158 of 4189
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Originally Posted by Strider Seven View Post

I got a 46V5100 and noticed the lag pretty much right away, especially in New Super Mario (Wii 480p via Component). I turned on "Game Mode" and its better but it still feels a bit off sometimes unless I'm fooling myself or something. I have a sound receiver connected also. Before I used a older LCD that had about 30 ms so hopefully I will adjust. I used the RB2 test (Xbox 360 1080p via HDMI)

Game Mode Off: 80ish ms
Game Mode On: High 40's, Low 50's ms

That's about 3 frames in Game Mode? Do other people with V5100s get about that?

Thanks
post #159 of 4189
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Originally Posted by Strider Seven View Post

I got a 46V5100 and noticed the lag pretty much right away, especially in New Super Mario (Wii 480p via Component). I turned on "Game Mode" and its better but it still feels a bit off sometimes unless I'm fooling myself or something. I have a sound receiver connected also. Before I used a older LCD that had about 30 ms so hopefully I will adjust. I used the RB2 test (Xbox 360 1080p via HDMI)

Game Mode Off: 80ish ms
Game Mode On: High 40's, Low 50's ms

That's about 3 frames in Game Mode? Do other people with V5100s get about that?

thats pretty run of mill lag numbers for most sony TV's take a look at my results in the first post of my own Sony 32XBR6, its exactly the same as what you got, around 3 frames delayed

3 frames delayed is a sort of gray area to me personally, I'm able to play single player FPS games on that sony just fine with the lag but as soon as i play them online the added input lag on top of normal internet lag makes me a terrible player

yet more good news on the new Toshiba 40xv645u i bought though. i just played some Battlefield 1942 on it and was racking up kills just fine flying airplanes and my target leading was good. this is something i struggled so much with on my Sony that i had to use my 22" PC monitor to play BF42 in order to just be able to shoot down another plane in a reasonable amount of time!

more good news is that this TV actually accepts many standard PC resolutions over HDMI and scales them, like 640 x 480 for example, BF1942 forces the game menus to that resolution all the time and my sony would not scale the image it would just be a small picture in the middle of my screen

I'm liking this Toshiba more and more with PC use everyday, it has its drawbacks as a TV but every TV has its drawbacks. so far i've only got 2 things i really dislike about it but am able to live with it and that is

#1 the motion enhancer is pretty crappy on it, it works don't get me wrong but it does a sub par job compared to a sony or samsung and sometimes produces some pretty nasty visual artifacts when its set to smooth

#2 the black levels in a completely dark room are poor, this is nothing new for a CCFL LCD and the dynalight helps a lot when watching movies but still off angles the screen has a blatant purple hue to everything dark/black on screen and when i say off angles i mean when at as slight of an angle as 30 degrees off center of the TV my Sony did this as well but it was much less apparent than it is on this Toshiba, good news is with just a small amount of ambient light in the room this visibly disappears and blacks look black etc. so i just need to get a dim bias light to put in my room and i think that will make me happy with night viewing
post #160 of 4189
Interesting, the Toshiba 40xv645u is a new contender, looks like an extremely fair compromise of better than average picture quality + clear red fonts and only slightly higher lag numbers.

The sub-par motion enhancement is another potential "con", but i doubt many following this thread are listing that as their #1 feature to have.

I wonder how the other lower cost Toshiba models compare.

Thanks for the new surprise entry Frito.
post #161 of 4189
I'm buying a 46 inch and am on the fence.

kdl 46v5100 sony vs. ln46b650 samsung

The deciding factor would be input lag. Since I can't test them and am having trouble finding results on here after about 3 hours of searching.

Trying to decide today as there is a great deal on amazon now and I'm thinking their sales reset on sunday like everywhere else and don't want to miss out if I go for the sammy.

Will appreciate any help clarifying which would be better.

edit: I'll be leaving which ever I choose in game mode w/ a ps3 via hdmi
post #162 of 4189
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Originally Posted by sjetski71 View Post

Interesting, the Toshiba 40xv645u is a new contender, looks like an extremely fair compromise of better than average picture quality + clear red fonts and only slightly higher lag numbers.

The sub-par motion enhancement is another potential "con", but i doubt many following this thread are listing that as their #1 feature to have.

I wonder how the other lower cost Toshiba models compare.

Thanks for the new surprise entry Frito.

Yeah well i decided to give the Toshiba a shot because previous 2008 models have been shown to have low lag just like this TV does and i figured worse case scenario it would have about as much as the sony i currently had i could live with that reluctantly.

I'm of course very happy and a little surprised that it has less lag than my sony considering its 120hz

though i will say this i think i know why it has low lag for a VA panel

120hz appears to completely defeatable on the TV!

it has 2 options related to 120hz in the menus

clearframe on/off (120hz mode)
Film stabilization off/standard/smooth (motion enhancer)

If i run a pixel blur tester on it and 120hz is off dark slight transitions have lots of visible smearing, much more than my 60hz sony ever had but it has very very good black to white transition speed and the sony had very terrible much worse than this set even with black to white, the sony would leave ghost images visibly in windows on certian websites it was slightly annoying sometimes but i got used to it

Anyways so if i turn on clearframe (120hz) this smearing gets cut in half right away so its controlling the RTC in the TCON for sure and not simply frame doubling

good news is i've yet to see this visible smearing in anything but a test pattern that stresses LCD's for smearing.

in windows, movies, TV and the handful of games some of which are very dark i have not seen it happen like it did on that test pattern so its not real likely to occur with normal use it appears

Just to give some background on RTC (Response Time Compensation aka overdrive) it is the method used to make LCD pixel response faster and in order for it to work its best it has to buffer frames before displaying them therefore causing input lag, if RTC is reduced or turned off input lag numbers go down and disappear completely provided that the display is not doing any other processing to the signal that will add input lag (like scaling the image, noise reduction, frame interpolation, etc. etc.)

the natural response of a non-overdriven VA panel has very poor slight pixel response time but good large pixel response time (it takes longer for the pixel to change slightly than it does to change by a big amount)

A VA panel that is using very aggressive RTC will pretty much reverse what happens and that is what i saw on my Sony, slight pixel changes were no problem for it but black to white on the other hand would force the pixels to take about 400-500msec to fullly change state to white! this would create a ghost image for a half a second when a dark object is moved over a bright background on the screen, something that is pretty common in windows and games but not as common with TV watching but it can happen its just harder to notice it
post #163 of 4189
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Well a quick update for people following me on here, i got a call from sears today telling me that my Panasonic 37" S1 I ordered and told them to cancel was ready for pickup so i said hey why not go pick it up and give it a try

I will be doing lag tests later tonight on it because we are putting the toshiba in the living room as our main TV right now but initial opinion i have so far on the panasonic is very good, black levels do not match the toshiba's but they also do not turn purple at slight angles so this i think is a definite plus

color gradients are very smooth unlike the toshiba when it was in game or PC mode, the Toshiba would only produce all colors in normal picture modes not game and PC, those modes had major banding and even in normal picture modes the toshiba had 1 clear band in each of the primary colors but i was able to tune the band out using the colormaster function of the TV (it allowed 3 different controls over each of the primary colors when turned on) so that problem is really only a problem for PC users mainly and maybe gamers

Text was better on the toshiba but i've yet to fully tune the panasonic so it could change, so far i do nto see the red push people say the panasonic's have, in fact red is somewhat dull on it right now but once again this could change after i do a better calibration on the display

motion focus is defiantly a scanning backlight, works pretty well with video/movies actually it gives a much more natural picture on movies than 120hz+ motion enhancement imo that being said i do enjoy some mild SOE when i watch movies so the toshbia wins here in my book but for bedroom use/PC use gaming none of this really matters all that much
post #164 of 4189
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Well too tired atm to get this photos onto my PC and post them but initial lag tests show 0-16 ms lag just like other's have got with the Panny S1's

8ms seemed to be a common number that came up, very good input lag pretty much 2nd to none as i'm sure we all expected

Text is kind of funky on this TV, i've yet to find the perfect setting for text but its not hard to get used to how text looks, it is sharp it just seems like if you set the sharpness to high you get artificial edge enhancement and if you set it too low text looks kinda blurry. very difficult to find a happy median so far

other than that and the black levels not being what i'm used to on movies ( i expected this though) i give it an A+ with PC/gaming use, fast response time and also pixel smearing is pretty much non existent, it does better than my TN monitor in this regard on tests and MUCH better than my Toshiba did in the same tests, granted though i never saw smearing on the Toshiba with normal use but in tests designed to bring out smearing the Toshiba failed horribly when not in 120hz mode with dark images moving over an even darker background. its performance with bright images and bright images over a dark background was very good though so that does help explain why it was hard to see it happen in real world uses
post #165 of 4189
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Originally Posted by frito View Post

motion focus is defiantly a scanning backlight, works pretty well with video/movies actually it gives a much more natural picture on movies than 120hz+ motion enhancement imo that being said i do enjoy some mild SOE when i watch movies so the toshbia wins here in my book but for bedroom use/PC use gaming none of this really matters all that much

I had an L37S1 briefly, at the start of my ongoing quest for a mid-size gaming-friendly TV. My experience with it was very similar to yours -- minimal input lag, weak blacks, good off-angle viewing, etc. The reason I gave it up was that the motion focus didn't quite work for me.

I play a lot of Rock Band with vocals, and finding a set with clear scrolling lyrics and at the same time low lag has been a real challenge. The motion focus feature sounded like exactly what I needed - 120Hz scanning backlight without any smoothing/interpolation to slow things down. Unfortunately, motion focus didn't "track" the lyrics quite right, so they would alternate between totally clear and sort of doubled and blurry every few seconds. Without it they were just plain blurry all the time. It was agonizingly close to working brilliantly, yet so far away.

Other than this, I found that motion focus had a subtle but significant reduction in blurring, at the expense of a small amount of flicker. Movies looked great on it, despite the weak blacks. A really nice set overall, but I hoped I could do better.

I've since tried a Panasonic P42S1 plasma, which had almost no blur, but the input lag was at least 50-60ms, despite being a Panny and a plasma. Also, I think it had an early-onset case of the rising black level, since the blacks never seemed much better than LCD. Sent that one back, too.

Currently I have an LG 37LH20. I had hoped that a basic 720 set like this would be a good fit for gaming, but it's not that great. Surprisingly it has an LG panel (not AUO like the LH30s have now), but I don't think it's IPS, since the lag is in the 50ms range. Blur isn't too bad -- the 5ms pixel response does seem a bit clearer than the 8ms on the S1 with motion focus off -- and I like the overall image quality, aesthetics and menu design. I could probably live with it, but I'm still on the lookout for something better.

Currently under consideration:

Panasonic L37X1
This is the model down from the L37S1; 720p and no motion focus, but still an IPS panel. Known for having very low lag, but I'm not sure about blur. Sources for these are drying up. I might take a demo set from Best Buy to give it a whirl.

Panasonic L42U12
This one's an odd choice, since it's a Best Buy exclusive, which is a little scary, and the specs say it does not have a gaming mode. However, it does have an IPS panel, though I've seen conflicting reports on its input lag (one post said 15ms, another said 50+) Essentially this would be a bigger, more expensive alternative to the X1, but otherwise pretty similar.

Panasonic P41G10 Plasma
This one's not very likely, since it's pricey and only available mail-order, but it promises to have the low lag and deep blacks that the P42S1 didn't deliver. If I get fed up with blur, I might have to give this more serious consideration. I really wish I could see one in person first.

LG 42LH40
Does anyone know if these are still coming with IPS panels? Given that I rather like the 37LH20 design, I'd consider the LH40 if it's IPS and the 120Hz schlop can be disabled to get low lag.

Sony 40S5100
Moderate lag, decent image, not sure about blur. Might be worth a look if the others fail.

I might even come full circle and go with another L37S1.

I actually brought a laptop and camera into Best Buy and did some lag tests on a few of the demo sets. They were pretty nice about it, though they definitely thought I was a madman. I did something different from the usual stopwatch tests. I'll try to follow up with some notes about how I did it and what I found out after I go through the pics.
post #166 of 4189
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I've heard one person report that the panasonic 42U12 has average input lag for an LCD TV around 45ms

you look at my review of the Toshiba 40xv645u, idk how the blur will be in game mode, it has smearing with dark images over even darker backgrounds though so that could be a problem

Doesn't rock band have an input lag adjustment anyways?
post #167 of 4189
I had the TC42U12. Lag was disappointing. It varied from low 50's through component, up to near 80 with HDMI etc!

It has VGA, which in many cases is said to be a low lag connection, but the lag was poor through VGA too.

Another thing I really didn't like about the set is it's VGA and component dont accept 1080P input. So you have to set your Xbox to 720P or so for them to even work. Which of course is likely to increase lag because now the TV has to scale. Also, it was jarring to hook my Xbox (set to 1080P out) up to the VGA and component and have them just not work at all, thought my set was defective for a while or something.


All this is with the Rock Band 2 automatic lag calibration, which I'm still wondering if results correlate to the timer method. As I said, a CRT I tested with RB2 auto showed 3 ms lag though, so to me that proved it's probably accurate.

Edit: Maybe it's panel lottery (or theyre switching to VA) and I got a VA? Frito said he thinks it's a VA when he looked at it in BB.
post #168 of 4189
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yeah it appeared to be a VA panel, it was right next to the Toshiba 40xv645u in the store and i played around with both sets and although the toshiba had slightly better blacks the 42U12 had better blacks than any other IPS panny i've seen plus its horizontal viewing was diminished like other VA's and if got got my eye real close to the screen i could see that the pixel structure was a typical VA shape, A V turned sideways and every panasonic i've seen with IPS panels have ||| shaped pixel structure this tells me it cannot be the same type of panel.
post #169 of 4189
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Originally Posted by frito View Post

Input Lag

Sharp E77U unknown size Sharp's ASV Panel a variation of VA tech only found in Sharp TV's do keep in mind the only Sharps that produce these low numbers are models with Vyper Drive game mode

480i GAME MODE ON (vyper drive)
AV Mode: Game
Fine Motion Enhanced: On
Active Contrast: On
Lag: 2 frames

1080p GAME MODE ON (vyper drive)
AV Mode: Game
Fine Motion Enhanced: On
Active Contrast: On
Lag: less than 1 frame

results taken from this webpage, photos of the test are there as well ad more tests out of game mode and it appears he used a laptop LCD as his control but that should be very fast as they are normally TN panels

frito, thanks for responding to my other thread and keeping us updated with your experiences with your 40xv645u and S1. thanks also for compiling all this information and keeping it updated on the first page. i just wanted to point out a few things though: for masamunecyrus's testing of the E77U, he did his testing on the 52-inch version (LC52E77U). also, the E77U does *not* have the "vyper drive" circuitry, only the E67U does. but masamunecyrus commented that since the E77U does not have vyper drive and still performed well, he's guessing that the E67U will perform similarly or better (especially considering the E67U is 60 Hz and the E77U is 120 Hz).
post #170 of 4189
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Originally Posted by mercury283 View Post

frito, thanks for responding to my other thread and keeping us updated with your experiences with your 40xv645u and S1. thanks also for compiling all this information and keeping it updated on the first page. i just wanted to point out a few things though: for masamunecyrus's testing of the E77U, he did his testing on the 52-inch version (LC52E77U). also, the E77U does *not* have the "vyper drive" circuitry, only the E67U does. but masamunecyrus commented that since the E77U does not have vyper drive and still performed well, he's guessing that the E67U will perform similarly or better (especially considering the E67U is 60 Hz and the E77U is 120 Hz).

good to know, I will update the OP to reflect this info thanks.
post #171 of 4189
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Originally Posted by sharky974 View Post

I had the TC42U12. Lag was disappointing. It varied from low 50's through component, up to near 80 with HDMI etc!

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Maybe it's panel lottery (or theyre switching to VA) and I got a VA? Frito said he thinks it's a VA when he looked at it in BB.

I just got back from another trip to BB, this time armed with an XBox to do some more lag testing, and a camera to check out the pixels on the L42U12. I *think* we have another panel lottery on our hands...

This is the L42U12:



For comparison, this is a Toshiba 46XV645U:



Unfortunately, it's not a great picture. Even so, there appears to be a slight V shape, but it is far less pronounced than on the Toshiba panel.

Other observations:

- Off-angle viewing seemed really good to me. Looking at it from a couple of sets down the row, it held contrast better than the closer ones that were at a less steep angle.

- Black levels, at least in torch mode, looked very good for IPS, but not as good as the Toshiba VA.

- Lag test (Rock Band manual calibration) repeatedly came in around 30ms for 1080p via HDMI. I'm pretty consistent on manual calibration, but tend to add about 10-20ms, so I'd say this puts it in the realm of 20ms. I'm still going through the photos I took last time with frame counts, but so far they seem to bear this out -- it came in about 1 frame behind my laptop, which I measured at < 1 frame from a CRT. Yes, all these numbers are a bit squidgy, but I think I can safely say I was *not* seeing a 50-80ms lag.

- The specs say it has Motion Focus, but I don't think this is correct. When I had an L37S1, turning on Motion Focus had an obvious effect (see comments in previous post.) I didn't see anything like this here - scrolling lyrics were as blurry as I've come to expect from a standard 60Hz panel. There's no menu option to enable/disable it, and nothing about it in the manual.

Given all this, I am convinced that the set I was looking at had an IPS panel. I certainly don't consider it definitive proof, but it's enough to make me think it's not a slam-dunk case of VA, and deserves some more investigation.

The low lag and good overall PQ on this set are attractive, but the blur was average to below average, so I'm still looking elsewhere. I think you guys may be right about the Toshiba XV645U series being the best overall for gaming, but more on that later...
post #172 of 4189
Thread Starter 
Yeah the Toshiba is clearly a VA panel, i own that TV i know it is for sure

the 42U12 photo is clearly an IPS panel but not an IPS-Pro panel as used in the 32" and 37" S1's

it looks like an LG Display IPS panel they have the slight v shape



http://www.ips-alpha.co.jp/en/technology/ips.html
post #173 of 4189
I don't feel like to read and measure the whole thing. Can you suggest a list of Samsung 1080P LCD and Panasonic 1080P Plasma that are GREAT for gaming? Thanks in advance.
post #174 of 4189
In my country they hdidn't sale xv645 only z650
is z650 as good as x645?
post #175 of 4189
I wish someone could list the average input-lag of all the popular TVs in a simple and readable format, or perhaps make a poll to show such results so those of us who are looking for a new TV will understand what to look for.

This thread has a lot of helpful info but it's too long and confusing to read through everything.
post #176 of 4189
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Originally Posted by SHORYUKENSF4 View Post

I don't feel like to read and measure the whole thing. Can you suggest a list of Samsung 1080P LCD and Panasonic 1080P Plasma that are GREAT for gaming? Thanks in advance

The short answer is that none of the current Samsung LCDs are great for gaming. The lower-end sets are "less bad." Panasonic plasmas are a better bet. I had a P42S1 for a while, which seemed to have more lag than I would have liked, though I may have overestimated it. I've seen measurements for the PxxG10 that show low lag. However, both the S1 and G10 plasmas may be prone to rising black levels over time (search for the "G10 black level" thread and start readin'...) With this in mind, I can't recommend them, either.

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Originally Posted by bestco View Post

I wish someone could list the average input-lag of all the popular TVs in a simple and readable format, or perhaps make a poll to show such results so those of us who are looking for a new TV will understand what to look for.

This thread is the closest thing to such a list you'll find anywhere. frito has been updating the first post with solid, verifiable results for specific models.

Manufacturers are NO help here. Even if they did publish lag specs, they'd be as meaningless as the ludicrous contrast ratios they provide now. A few review sites do at least some form of lag testing, but the methods and results aren't very specific, so all you get is a relative comparison to a few other sets they've reviewed.

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This thread has a lot of helpful info but it's too long and confusing to read through everything.

Before this thread, I was sifting through *thousands* of posts in model-specific threads to try to find any sort of lag specs. Most cases where it is mentioned are just to say "I didn't notice any lag", which is not exactly conclusive.

I've been meaning to thank frito for giving this topic a much-needed home of its own. I guess this is a good opportunity to do so. Thanks!
post #177 of 4189
Looks like my LG 37LH20-UA does in fact have an S-IPS panel...



It's a shame they don't still use IPS on the LH30 series. It was a great gaming set.

I did some more in-depth lag tests on the LH20, and it seems to be somewhere between the Panasonic S1 and X1 IPS-Alpha LCDs and the Toshiba XV645U.

I've got a few more days to decide if I want to keep it or order a Toshiba instead. Not sure what to do yet...
post #178 of 4189
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Originally Posted by wondras View Post

Looks like my LG 37LH20-UA does in fact have an S-IPS panel...



It's a shame they don't still use IPS on the LH30 series. It was a great gaming set.

I did some more in-depth lag tests on the LH20, and it seems to be somewhere between the Panasonic S1 and X1 IPS-Alpha LCDs and the Toshiba XV645U.

I've got a few more days to decide if I want to keep it or order a Toshiba instead. Not sure what to do yet...

Yeah thats definately an LG made IPS screen, should perform good for gaming
post #179 of 4189
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Originally Posted by SHORYUKENSF4 View Post

I don't feel like to read and measure the whole thing. Can you suggest a list of Samsung 1080P LCD and Panasonic 1080P Plasma that are GREAT for gaming? Thanks in advance.

I cannot recommend any current Samsung LCD TV for gaming they are easily the worst of the major brands when it comes to gaming and input lag

I've only seen Panasonic G10 plasmas tested for input lag and in game mode they have about 30ms lag making them good for gaming on consoles but PC monitor use is out of the question for plasma. they are just not suitable for it at all

I have a Panasonic 50X1 plasma in the living room and though I've never tested it for input lag i have played some xb360 games on it and it seems very responsive. I've also noticed no lip sync issues in it and if they TV had more than 30ms input lag i would see lip sync issues because all of my video sources are connected to a 10 year old onkyo surround receiver directly and it does not support delaying the sound at all. my Sony 32XBR6 that had about 45-60 ms input lag i could see lip sync issues but only very slightly.

I've got enough experience with this now that i know i can at least get an idea what a TV's input lag is like roughly by watching a movie on it with the audio connected to a receiver directly, the only time this has not worked was on the Toshiba 40xv645u because it had the HDMI lip sync feature and would tell my BD player to delay the audio by 60ms but i could defeat it by adjusting the audio delay on my player back down to 0 but why would i do that because it would mess up the sync
post #180 of 4189
I'm looking for a good gaming TV. Both of those sets cost about the same.

Sharp LC40E77U
Sharp LC40E67U
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