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post #1591 of 4031
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Originally Posted by nimz View Post

Did these results come out yet? There is a xbr955 local that I'm really thinking about snagging. 12ms is nothing but I'm concerned about the 30ms results as I would like to play in 1080i.

What is this 1080i content you're giving this television? Xbox 360? Wouldn't you rather use 720p/1080p on an LCD or Plasma and not be stuck with a bulky CRT? Modern TVs do pretty well with a progressive signal, it's only the interlaced stuff that can get pretty wacky...
post #1592 of 4031
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

What is this 1080i content you're giving this television? Xbox 360? Wouldn't you rather use 720p/1080p on an LCD or Plasma and not be stuck with a bulky CRT? Modern TVs do pretty well with a progressive signal, it's only the interlaced stuff that can get pretty wacky...

I have a PVR that can't record higher then 1080i. If I play 1080p I can't record what I play so I need to stick to 720p or 1080i. I would like an LCD but really the only ones that look good do me are the x1's which are impossible to find now. Earlier this year they were something like $300 - $400 shipped from amazon or something like that. Next time a deal like that comes up for a TV with similar performance, I'll get it.

I don't know I'm kind of put off by the new TV's. From what everyone says the Sharp LCD's with vyper drive are supposed to be the best. I bought one (LC-40D68UT) and hated it, returned it. The only other sharp I have access to in my area doesn't have vyper drive (LC-40D78UN). I would like trying out a plasma, but I'm a little scared by burn-in and IR. I play a lot of games. I can play for 6 hours straight sometimes. Breaking them in also seems like a pain in the ass. Also looking at the Plasma input lag thread it doesn't even look like the Plasmas in my price range are good.
post #1593 of 4031
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Originally Posted by frito View Post

its still a good result and only 10ms slower than my 37S1

allright = )

so 30ms is a good result for all gamers ?
post #1594 of 4031
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Originally Posted by Gamelux View Post

allright = )

so 30ms is a good result for all gamers ?

Depends on the person. Some people can feel 30ms, most can't.
post #1595 of 4031
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Originally Posted by nimz View Post

I have a PVR that can't record higher then 1080i. If I play 1080p I can't record what I play so I need to stick to 720p or 1080i. I would like an LCD but really the only ones that look good do me are the x1's which are impossible to find now. Earlier this year they were something like $300 - $400 shipped from amazon or something like that. Next time a deal like that comes up for a TV with similar performance, I'll get it.

I don't know I'm kind of put off by the new TV's. From what everyone says the Sharp LCD's with vyper drive are supposed to be the best. I bought one (LC-40D68UT) and hated it, returned it. The only other sharp I have access to in my area doesn't have vyper drive (LC-40D78UN). I would like trying out a plasma, but I'm a little scared by burn-in and IR. I play a lot of games. I can play for 6 hours straight sometimes. Breaking them in also seems like a pain in the ass. Also looking at the Plasma input lag thread it doesn't even look like the Plasmas in my price range are good.

Its not like you're the only one that would game on a plasma. Most of us on this board that have one game on it. Also you don't need to break them in.

Just set the pixel shifter on and you shouldn't have any problems. IR isn't permanent and usually only stick around a few seconds and only visible on all black scree up close.
post #1596 of 4031
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Originally Posted by TomGreen321 View Post

Its not like you're the only one that would game on a plasma. Most of us on this board that have one game on it. Also you don't need to break them in.

Just set the pixel shifter on and you shouldn't have any problems. IR isn't permanent and usually only stick around a few seconds and only visible on all black scree up close.

So I'm guessing it was really only the older sets that had the nasty burn in? I actually think I might have found a good deal on a 32'' S1. If the seller still has it I think I will order it.
post #1597 of 4031
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Originally Posted by nimz View Post

So I'm guessing it was really only the older sets that had the nasty burn in? I actually think I might have found a good deal on a 32'' S1. If the seller still has it I think I will order it.

I've had 3 plasmas and I've never had burn in with any games. Not even when the computer was hooked up. Just be smart about it, don't fall asleep with something on. Stuff like that.
post #1598 of 4031
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Originally Posted by TomGreen321 View Post


I've had 3 plasmas and I've never had burn in with any games. Not even when the computer was hooked up. Just be smart about it, don't fall asleep with something on. Stuff like that.

Same. Although I've left an image on my display for 6/8 hours at a time. Thankfully. Nothing went wrong.
post #1599 of 4031
hey fellas, so I tested out my bros 46A650 more last night and was pretty disappointed, even with game mode and using hdmi on the ps3, and component on 360 it was super jerky, delayed and did not have that fluid like gameplay we all want. The picture quality of games was nice.. but they just did not feel right and it felt like you had to mash buttons instead of pressing them when you need to on a crt..

Is the current C series 650 is as bad as past A series

edit: just searched this thread and saw several folks post bad results from the C650 :/
post #1600 of 4031
I am close to give up my search myself.

I am about to return my 4th TV and I an not proud of it. damn I wish I was half blind and didn't notice the flaws in those Sets. Latest victims, sony's Hx701. Input lag wise, it was good enoug that I was able to game on it in game mode without noticing the lag, but the bad view angle, crushing black and mad clouding are getting the best of me and I will return to set tomorrow.

I might for the first time start considering the plasma and look into the panasonic G25. but then again, I'll have to face rising black (someone tells me what is the purpose of this "feature" again?), floating black and Image retention...
post #1601 of 4031
What other sets have you tried?
post #1602 of 4031
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Originally Posted by nimz View Post

What other sets have you tried?

First was a samsung c650
Second an LG LD520
Third a sharp led 700un
Finally a Sony HX701.
post #1603 of 4031
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Originally Posted by Guibs View Post


First was a samsung c650
Second an LG LD520
Third a sharp led 700un
Finally a Sony HX701.

TRY A PLASMA. clearly LCD isn't working out for you.
post #1604 of 4031
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post


TRY A PLASMA. clearly LCD isn't working out for you.

That's what I am thinking but plasma scares me. Buying a tv now and not knowing how it will look in one year is scary.

Rising black scares me
Image retention bothers me
I hear complaints about buzzing
Then there is the white flickering...
Add possible floating blacks...

I admit I never owned a plasma. But for the life a me, plasma are like a tv that is always changing. The tv you are buying now won't necessarily be the tv you will use later. I am. It the kind of guy who can't afford to change tv every 2 years...
post #1605 of 4031
i'm looking for a small (26"-32") 1080p TV for gaming. i've read through the thread and see that everyone seems to recommend sharp? is there a current sharp model that anyone has experience with that meets my criteria? thanks!
post #1606 of 4031
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Originally Posted by Guibs View Post


That's what I am thinking but plasma scares me. Buying a tv now and not knowing how it will look in one year is scary.

Rising black scares me
Image retention bothers me
I hear complaints about buzzing
Then there is the white flickering...
Add possible floating blacks...

I admit I never owned a plasma. But for the life a me, plasma are like a tv that is always changing. The tv you are buying now won't necessarily be the tv you will use later. I am. It the kind of guy who can afford to change tv every 2 years...

Lol. Understand. But you are being misinformed about plasma. There is nothing to worry about. And believe me. I was a die hard LCD fan. Plasma showed me the way. They are amazing for gaming.
post #1607 of 4031
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Originally Posted by Guibs View Post

First was a samsung c650
Second an LG LD520
Third a sharp led 700un
Finally a Sony HX701.

I was thinking about getting the 700un... what didn't you like about it?
post #1608 of 4031
the 700UN is supposed to be pretty good for gaming
post #1609 of 4031
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Guibs View Post

That's what I am thinking but plasma scares me. Buying a tv now and not knowing how it will look in one year is scary.

Rising black scares me
Image retention bothers me
I hear complaints about buzzing
Then there is the white flickering...
Add possible floating blacks...

I admit I never owned a plasma. But for the life a me, plasma are like a tv that is always changing. The tv you are buying now won't necessarily be the tv you will use later. I am. It the kind of guy who can't afford to change tv every 2 years...

all can be valid concerns but really are not on most plasmas as big of an issue as many make them out to be.

you've ran the gamut of LCD's out there today pretty much so i would give a panasonic or samsung plasma a shot

notes on them are this

rising blacks and with it more rapid IR is potentially a problem with Panasonic's

buzzing is a common problem on Samsung's

avoid LG's they lag too much and are sub par compared to panny and samsung anyways.

if you can find a pioneer they are the best and really do not suffer from anything mentioned above without serious abuse and they have low lag.

i only personally have experience with two panasonic plasmas both 2009 models, we have a 50X1 and a buddy of mine has a 50S14.

both have black risen and have increased IR as the major noticeable result, 2010 models do not have this happen as bad as 2009 models did and both of us are 100% happy with our purchases and game on both of them. we experience IR quite often but not from games but using and asus o!play on it (black background with bright white text menus = rapid IR) however as fast as that IR occurs its gone in the same short amount of time once you watch something moving or run the IR remover built into the TV so its really not all that bad, plus its only really visible on an all black screen at night time, when watching TV its very rarely notable before its reduced to the point of non existence on even black screens.

as for floating blacks and flickering whites, yes both happen but no they are not as commonly seen as you might think, you really have to be on the look out for either one to see it and this something that does effect all plasma's due to the way they work.

buzzing can happen on panasonics but it takes an all white screen with really jacked up picture settings to make it happen and even then the only way you hear it is if the room is dead quiet, its so low of a buzz that any ambient sound will drown it out easily.
post #1610 of 4031
Rising black scares me-Panasonic issue
Image retention bothers me-The only real downside, however it seems like most sets it'll go away quickly.
I hear complaints about buzzing- Seems to vary from set to set and person to person
Then there is the white flickering...- I've never seen flickering
Add possible floating blacks... -Panasonic/LG issue

Try a Samsung plasma? Or go for the 88UN. It's a shame Pioneer stepped out of the plasma game, I really don't understand why they would. That would totally be the way to go if you could hunt down a Kuro, but it's unlikely you'd find a new one.
post #1611 of 4031
Thread Starter 
pioneer saw they had to exit the market because the competition (panasonic, samsung and LG) were quickly heading to produce cheap plasmas, to counter it they had formed an alliance with Panasonic to use their PDP's in cheaper models to stay in business because people that wanted high quality plasma's had often already bought pioneers and the market was shrinking for them. then the first recession started to take hold and pioneer smartly bailed on plasma and sold most of their technology to panasonic.

from what i understand from hearing a former head of pioneer talk about panasonic's black rise issue late last year is panasonic had the plans from pioneer on how to produce very dark blacks and extend the life of PDP's to very long times.

how it works is pretty simple

plasma phosphors like CRT phosphors wear rapidly when new and then level off in wear rate as they age to the point they wear very little over long periods of time.

when a panel is brand new it does not require much drive voltage to function properly and the lower you can run the drive voltage the better the blacks are or MLL (min light luminance) but as the phosphors age the drive voltage needs to rise accordingly in order to maintain a properly functioning PDP.

pioneer implemented the same rise in their sets but he said they studied it for many years before they started to actually do this and that is why only the very latest Pioneer models were so awesome.

he speculated that panasonic leaned about this technique from pioneer but did not have all of the information on how to properly implement it in such a short amount of time. they likely in their own not so realistic house tests determined more rapid voltage rises that occurred before they should have with real world use and the result is that normally used plasma's get too much voltage rise at set times for the amount of wear they have actually had on the PDP. keep in mind that the wear of a PDP cannot be internally measured by the TV. it takes external devices/tests to determine this and predicting wear based on on time numbers is inaccurate.

so with all this being said panasonic has already said they changed the way the rise happens in 2010 model's and granted i have not really looked hard into it i've yet to see any uproar about 2010 models like there was about the 2009 models once this was discovered so its safe to say that they at the very least do not suffer from this issue in the way the 2009 model's did.

its also worth stating that even the risen 2009 model's will eventually wear in and work like they were new, the problem is between 1000-3000 hours of use approximately they suffer from increased IR and worse black levels. after the phosphor wear settles they will operate closer to when they were brand new than when they were at 1000 hours.
post #1612 of 4031
Ah, makes sense. Thanks for the writeup Frito. Yeah, I've heard that 2010 pannys haven't risen after say 1k hours, so they're improved and we'll just have to wait and see.
post #1613 of 4031
any recommendations for a 32" 1080p TV? i've been seeing recommendations for sharp and i've been looking at this model since it has the "vyper drive" mode. anyone have experience with it?

http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/Home...32LE700UN.aspx
post #1614 of 4031
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so with all this being said panasonic has already said they changed the way the rise happens in 2010 model's and granted i have not really looked hard into it i've yet to see any uproar about 2010 models like there was about the 2009 models once this was discovered so its safe to say that they at the very least do not suffer from this issue in the way the 2009 model's did.

The uproar was there in the early 2010 releases, but then the fix came down around April and no one has really complained about a post April made Panny. Even the floating black complaints have seem to have greatly diminished.
post #1615 of 4031
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Lol. Understand. But you are being misinformed about plasma. There is nothing to worry about. And believe me. I was a die hard LCD fan. Plasma showed me the way. They are amazing for gaming.

I agree. Everyone I know that had LCD an swore off plasma all bought one when they started seeing mine. Once you change over most people will never look back at LCD.
post #1616 of 4031
How good is the Vyper Drive on Sharps? This might sound stupid, and i know were waiting for testing results on the 80UN, but why isn't it the panel we're all looking for? if it is the lowest input lag, is Sharp's performance in other areas less superior to Sony, Samsung etc., thus making it a tough call? I can't figure out why this Sharp panel isn't THEE goto panel for gamers?
post #1617 of 4031
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Originally Posted by sabes35 View Post

How good is the Vyper Drive on Sharps? This might sound stupid, and i know were waiting for testing results on the 80UN, but why isn't it the panel we're all looking for? if it is the lowest input lag, is Sharp's performance in other areas less superior to Sony, Samsung etc., thus making it a tough call? I can't figure out why this Sharp panel isn't THEE goto panel for gamers?

The Sharp I had had ****** picture quality and noticeable lag even with vyper drive. Not saying Sharp's aren't good or anything, just saying I don't think Sharp as a whole really as "the go to brand." That implies that all the TV's they make are suitable for gaming and the one I had was pretty bad. I have a feeling that with my luck though, the one I bought was probably the only model that isn't good, lol.
post #1618 of 4031
thanks, which panel did u have?
post #1619 of 4031
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Originally Posted by sabes35 View Post

How good is the Vyper Drive on Sharps? This might sound stupid, and i know were waiting for testing results on the 80UN, but why isn't it the panel we're all looking for? if it is the lowest input lag, is Sharp's performance in other areas less superior to Sony, Samsung etc., thus making it a tough call? I can't figure out why this Sharp panel isn't THEE goto panel for gamers?

The ONLY thing I like about LCD over plasma is day time viewing. Other then that. I'm really loving my plasma.
post #1620 of 4031
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Originally Posted by nimz View Post

The Sharp I had had ****** picture quality and noticeable lag even with vyper drive. Not saying Sharp's aren't good or anything, just saying I don't think Sharp as a whole really as "the go to brand." That implies that all the TV's they make are suitable for gaming and the one I had was pretty bad. I have a feeling that with my luck though, the one I bought was probably the only model that isn't good, lol.

which model was it?
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