Input lag wars!, post your input lag results of your LCD display here for reference - Page 98

Well, I never tested any of my TVs for numbers. Based on experience playing Xbox games over the years with HDTVs (Samsung LNS4095D, Panasonic GT42, Sony 32EX500, Sony 55"HX929, Sharp 40"E835LU). I can tell you the Sony 40"EX720 is a exceptional TV. I strongly recommend this TV for Gaming! This TV is definately has low input lag. I have seemed to find the sweet spot for this television in light of input lag. Seriously, look no further. This TV is matte screen and delivers exceptional pq as well for movies. The TV has a IP conversion preference for Speed/Quality. On the speed setting this TV sacrifices vivid PQ but is amazing for shooter or input lag while playing shooter. The IP conversion preference is under advance settings. Siply shut off all of your pq adjustments. Set the TV to Game standard. This TV will not let you down. Also set your Xbox to 720p. The majority of all games are 720p anyway for Xbox.. No worries here, you can program each HDMI outlet for your own picture adjustments. So PQ will not be sacrificed for cable or blueray. Sorry I couldn't give you numbers guys. I can tell you this TV is the real deal.

Wouldn't you want to set your xbox to 1080p so that its build in upscaler would do all the work vs your tv having to upscale? I'd think the latter would result in more lag.

I've noticed that setting the 360 to 1080p results in some noticeable image tearing on my Samsung 32LNA550.

Good question. I would think the TV Screen wouldn't work as hard trying to display 720p picture its less picture isn't it? I am basing this on less processing for the TV. I also my programmed my hdmi outlet for 720p. If anyone would like to chime in by all means do so. But I can assure you in particular my accuracy ratio on average has doubled to quadrupled in COD Black Ops. My average kill ratio has also gone up, decent.

But doesn't the TV have to upscale the image to 1080p no matter what mode it's in. It has to use all the pixels. So there's going to be some interpolation going on no matter what. Whether its on the XBOX or the TV. In game mode, ideally there should be no real "processing" going on anyway

What do you mean by "programmied my hdmi outlet?"

Someone should do an official 720 vs 1080p XBOX test.

Yes, ideally there should be no real processing. Observation; I have had several TVs, when in Manufacturers default Game Mode, there is multiple features turned on. For example the Panasonic DT30. I just picked up last night there is multiple features turned on this TV.

On the Sony EX720 you have 4 HDMI outlets. If memory serves (at work right now)In the menu bar it enables you to automate or set a fixed option for 1080p,1080i, 720p, 720i, etc. under each hdmi outlet.

Can you do a mini review of that set?

Anyone with a LG 32LK450 and the capabilities willing to do some tests? Thinking of purchasing that set, but was curious about the input lag for 360 gmaing.

There's this, but there seems to be a panel lottery, and it appears he tested the SPVA type. The IPS panel if anything should test even better were there to be any differences though.

would using a hdmi to DVI cable be suitable to test with? My PC does not have an HDMI connection.

Should be OK, especially if that's how it's going to be hooked up for gaming anyway. Usually if there's a drastic difference due to type of connection, it's with component or something like that.

If you head in their high end model you don't have lag issue. Only the D2 series was bad but it still more acceptable than 80% of all the model available.

They are back with their IPS alpha this year & it make my statement clear. You cannot go wrong with Panasonic especially when gaming is concerned.

A lot of people have claimed they stopped using Alpha panels in most of last year's models because many aren't advertised as Alpha. Like I've said before, I talked to Panasonic before this year's models came out, and although the guy I was speaking to didn't know, he asked one of their techs whom said all the 2010 TC-L models use Alpha panels. You can't go by advertising. A lot of manufacturer's will only highlight the better features in the more expensive models so people will buy them.

hey guys i need some help i am looking for a 55inch LED LCD with good picture quality for Blue rays with a non reflective screen. I dont care at all about 3d but need to stay close to 1,000 and need very low lag as i am an avid Street fighter and MVC3 player(i participate and run tournaments) i play on my Asus monitor(evo one) and a sony 52w5100(lags a lot) so i will notice the lag. I have heard people suggest Sharp and Pannys but how is the picture quality compared to alternitives like LG, Samsung ect. any suggestions?

I have a Sharp 60inch 835u and the picture quality is pretty good. As for lag, its minor but its definitely better than the w5100. Most newer Led Lcds 55" inch and above seem to have 30ms-60ms of input lag. The 835u has at least 30ms of input lag (HDMI).

They best thing to do in your situation is to take your console to an electronic store and test out the tvs there.

I'm looking for a 42" or bigger LCD/LED TV with good picture quality and very low input lag for gaming (competively). ANy suggestions?...I've tried some of sharp's TVs but I found that there were a lot of problems with them so i'd prefer to avoid them in the future.

I'm fairly impressed with these sets, but at my local Best Buy the three 32" ones I saw had a D in the product code on the box as did the two 37" boxes I saw. I didn't look at the code on the display models but just talked to a guy at Fry's where they have no display models whom said all the boxed ones he saw in both sizes had the D in the product code.

This leads me to believe availability of the IPS models is either regional and/or seasonal. It could be they make a set number of IPS type then only have PVA type to offer the rest of the model year. I can't stress enough how irresponsible this is of LG to have a hidden lottery panel on their TVs.

I'm sure the attention this got last year is why they don't advertise this year's sets as having IPS panels on their website. I talked to an LG live chat supervisor whom claims LG's techs say there's no way to designate in the product code what panel type they have. I told him it sounds like more BS from LG.

They admit it can be either type of panel on this year's models, but last year's sets were advertised as IPS on their site, yet came as either IPS or VA.

I'm looking at buying a new HDTV for gaming on my PC and primary PC monitor, some movies.

My main concern is input lag and response time overall. Does anyone have personal experience or actual tests done on either sets below:

LG's 37LV3500
Panasonic's TC-L37E3

I'm going to look for the ISP panel in the LG and if I can, I'm just wondering whats the better choice?

This is coming from a LG 42LE5300 which wasn't horrible but I could notice the input lag on FPS. I just want a bit of a improvement and it would be perfect I think.

So I just went ahead and bought the LG 42LV3500. All I have to say is WOW. I had last years model 42LE5300 and that did the job but input lag was noticeable. I have to say that the 42LV3500 I can't feel any input lag what so ever for FPS's.

I have it hooked up via HDMI to my PC and everything looks and feels great. Awesome buy and a great upgrade from last years model for both color and input lag/response timing.

I highly recommend this set if you are looking for a new giant gaming monitor! Make sure you get IPS panel though.

I believe you may be referring to the LV3500? The LE series was LG's last year's models.

LG 32LK450 on the left, Dell G2410 on the right. The 32LK450 is a PVA panel and it's in pc mode(couldn't get 4:4:4 through other modes). I took a bunch of pictures and it was usually 20 ms behind, sometimes 10 or 30.

I'm returning the 32LK450 for a couple reasons, mostly because there's some kind of black line in the lower left corner of the screen(it's actually underneath the surface). It's a pretty good set, and the size definitely helped me in games. I'd really like to try the IPS version, though.

Your right, thanks for noticing. I made the change. Great gaming set and great price!

Yeah I recently got the LG LV5500 and when game mode is on and the input is labeled as game, there is little to no lag. I'm not sure if I am keeping this tv yet because of some other issues, but input lag is not an issue at all with this set.

I'm officially giving up on the LGs for not wanting to deal with the panel lottery. Every LK450 I've seen locally is a non IPS panel, and they look noticeably worse up against the set I'll probably go with, the Panasonic 32U3. I've also found that LG's defect rate is roughly twice that of Panasonic, whom are the lowest in the industry.

I had a live chat session with a couple LG employees whom both agreed it was cause for frustration to the customer to put them through such a thing, especially when you consider LG MAKES the panels. Panasonic gets their panels FROM LG, yet they can provide a more consistent product at near identical price point.

The only thing I can figure is LG thinks they're better off cutting corners to put their sets at a price point a mere $10 cheaper. The only slight concern about the U3 is you need to adjust the settings properly when using it as a desktop monitor. It's merely a matter of dropping the sharpness and turning on noise reduction though.

What Sony TV offers the lowest input lag, without game mode enabled? 46NX720, 40NX710, 40/46 HX720 or 46HX820?

Or should I buy a Philips instead? I'm looking for a TV which handles my games well, with no lag, but I really have no clue!

Please help!

Noticed you mention that you'll probably end up going with the 32 inch U3 and wanted to add some input because I just bought this set 2 days ago.

I don't consider myself much of a videophile, but I can be a bit picky at times. Games look great on it. So far I've played some Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, BFBC 2, and Halo Reach and I'm very pleased.

I'm pretty sensitive (for lack of better wording), when it comes to input lag, and I hardly noticed any at all. The first thing I did when I hooked up my 360 was put in Madden, go to practice, and kick a few dozen field goals. The kick meter was very accurate and I didn't have to time my button push early to make a perfect kick. I also tried the Guitar Hero demo and didn't have any problems hitting the notes.

I understand that this isn't an official test and other people's opinions may vary, but as a gamer on a budget I highly recommend the Panasonic U3.

If you want low input lag for gaming, I wouldn't go Sony or Samsung. The latest Philips sets I've not studied up on because in the sizes I've been looking at, they don't even have one in 1080p. I'd also be a bit skeptical anyway because they're now merged with LG, so who knows what panel type they have. It certainly doesn't say on their site.

From what I've seen in the specs though, the Philips sets offer lots of internet connectability in their 120Hz sets, and lots of res options in even their 3000 series 40" sets. So they DO give you a fair amount of bang for buck on features.

While doing some checking on the Philips sets though, I did come across some rather interesting info about Panasonic. I had read via chat and heard that Panasonic was getting their IPS panels from LG. Well it appears this is not the case.

It turns out "IPS Alpha" is not just a type of panel, but a manufacturer of such panels. The full name of this corporation is "IPS Alpha Technology, Ltd", and it was formed by Hitachi, Panasonic, and Toshiba in 2005.

http://guide2lcdtv.com/2010/07/lcd-t...gy-comparison/
http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/off...100630-5-1.pdf


Thanks for the input. I'd like to know if you had Game Mode on though. One other thing I forgot to mention other than needing to fine tune for desktop use is some are saying Game Mode on this set is actually MORE laggy than with it off. I suppose it could depend on the input and game platform used though.

I'm perfectly fine with people giving testimonials based on personal perception and/or in game lag calibrators. The only time arguments come in is when some suggest they are just as accurate if not more so than the camera and CRT method for measuring the amount of lag in each set, vs just a rough comparison.

Hi Def Fan: Which brand/model would you recommend for gaming, then? LCD/LED, and low input lag is a must. LG, maybe?

LGs with IPS panels should be pretty good, but for some models you'll have to play the panel lottery and hope you get an IPS panel instead of a VA.

One of the biggest reasons I went with Panasonic is because I knew for certain I was getting an IPS panel and I'm very pleased with my purchase.

Hi Def Fan - I was in game mode. Later tonight I'll go back and test in custom mode and see how the input lag is.

Which planels are you talking about, re the panel lottery, then? My store has LV355, LK530 and LV450. Which one do you recommend, if any?