Input lag wars!, post your input lag results of your LCD display here for reference - Page 113

Guys, are the JVC's still as good as the Sharps with Vyper Drive were?

Sharp Aquos sets have something called Vyper Drive, their marketing term for what is arguably one of the best input-lag reduction methods available. I'm not sure of that model, but under most sharps there is an Advanced video menu where you can turn things like local dimming, game-mode, etc on and off. Is this a bargain-priced Sharp??

If not it could, very well, simply be a defect if you are seeing sync issues on every source. Have you tried another input.....

I tested the 37" Black Crystal series awhile ago (results are a few pages back), input lag is around 16-32 ms -- which I consider to be in the very good range.

Has anyone compared the Panasonic st30 to the gt30 in regards to input lag. I searched here and a few other sites. Couldn't find it here but on a few other web sites they were saying that the st30 was 16ms and that the gt30 was double that. Is there any truth to that ?

No clue about the gt30, but the st30 has 16-32 ms of lag (with all processing turned off) or 62-125 ms of lag (with all processing turned on). link.

Also, there's a plasma version of the "input lag wars" over in the plasma forum. I haven't been in there in ages, but hopefully that thread is still active.

It is a 'bargain price' tv, unfortunately. (I received it as a 30th birthday gift so I don't know the specifics on price/availability/etc.) This model does not have a 'Game' AV mode - despite the manual mentioning it and the Sharp website saying that the TV is 'Gaming Optimized'.

I have tried HDMI through two devices (360 and PS3) as well as straight up cable from the wall. The cable has less lag, but there's still an audio/video sync issue with the video being slightly but noticeably behind.

It would help if you could give us the exact model number off the back....

My original post had it, though it may have not stood out well.

Model is: LC-60E69U
Product details here:
http://www.sharpusa.com/ForHome/Home.../LC60E69U.aspx

It is not listed as having the 'Vyper Drive' feature.

I'm guessing this applies to the X3 as well. Since somebody on here linked a review where it said that the Panasonic X3 also boasts 16ms.
But what exactly do you mean with 'all' processing turned on? I wouldn't bother using dynamic contrast, or edge enhancement and the like.
The only thing i'd go for would be switching the color gamut to wide and turning on Dynamic Color when gaming....If those two even have any effect on lag. Sorry for the noobishness.

And too bad the X3, S30 and ST30 don't have an Expert mode so you can tweak the color management system....
I'm thinking about getting the X3 in a couple of weeks. Surely it will be much better than my current LCD in the black levels and motion department(especially), it's just i'm concerend about the input lag, plus
if there are any phospher trails as well.

Thanks for your response, I've been offered the upgrade to the gt30 but if it means higher input lag I think I'll pass.

Sorry, I didn't catch that. If you look on Amazon, assuming this isn't your review, someone else is complaining about similar problems, and also a color palette that shifts back to cool with each change of the channel. Dare I say, you may have just gotten a dud?

What are you guys thoughts on the

Samsung UN32D5000/UN40D5000/UN46D5000 (UE in europe and 5005) it has been confirmed on some review sites to have 16ms input lag on all modes and settings, not just game mode. It supports 4:4:4 Full chroma on HDMI port 1, set to PC. It has a good black level of only 0,04. And its very cheap.

Im thinking about ordering a 46" model in a couple days. But if anyone knows more about this display please share.

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That is, in fact, my review actually...

I am starting to think that maybe I got a dud. Calls to Sharp tech support have shown that the TV won't go into their tech support/factory mode properly. However, I do know that it doesn't have the game mode, and that the input lag is only really noticeable if you're looking for it on regular TV. I think it's also possible that there aren't a lot of gamers writing reviews for it - that's the are a where the input lag is crushingly obvious.

Ok, this is a stupid observation but: Are you sure the TV is in 60hz mode with no 120hz motion modes enabled? It looks like this TV should have Vyper Drive, and that should mean you could even use it as a PC monitor with a mouse, the lag should be imperceptible.

I have a 55" Sharp LED 120hz...and its quite outstanding. I hope you just got a dud and Sharp will do something for you.

I did make sure - they have a menu option labeled "120Hz Level" which has four options: High, Medium, Low, Off. Turning this off didn't fix the problem. It most definitely did NOT have a "Vyper Drive" option, and no Game Mode option at all.

I called Sharp - while they were courteous it was ultimately unhelpful. The TV wouldn't go into the factory/service mode when I held the appropriate buttons. They offered to send a tech out but it involved sitting at home for a 4 to 5 hour window on a workday (8am to 12pm or 12pm to 5pm). Not a chance I'm skipping out on half a day's work for a tech to come and maybe wind up telling me the unit is fine and just isn't a great TV. They apparently do not have weekend or evening service hours.

I wound up returning the set today, and getting a 55" LG LED (the 4400 model) for the same price. It does have a set game mode and the input lag is no where near the Sharp. I was tempted to just get another Sharp to see if it was the model or the individual panel, but I already had to get my father to drive his truck over to help me return it because it won't fit in my SUV. Not going through that hassle again. Haven't put the LG through it's paces yet, but at least it's better.

Hi! I wish to buy a 46D8000, but I want to know how is the input lag in xbox 360 and ps3 without using game mode, and with auto motion plus active.
I don't want to use game mode, because the picture quality becomes terrible. I have a C6900 and it is perfect without game mode, the lag is very low.

A friend of mine said that the input lag in the 2011 lineup is terrible without game mode and auto motion plus active. Anyone tested and can confirm this?

Thanks

66ms input lag.

Source:
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-tele...0770/test.html

Testing out the Samsung UN46D6000 on PS3 mouse emulating anyone have a readout of the delay on this?

As you've probably noticed, the results of this test method are very often seen to vary by 1 frame (or ~16ms) on the same TV using the same materials (see Poohcontinuum's and Chud's ST and GT results). Why I have no idea. Perhaps this means the absolute lag value is somewhere in between (say 24ms) or perhaps the cloning implementations are introducing it, I don't know. I mention all that to say you really have to be careful about taking any one number as published scientific fact. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet the ST and GT are either exactly the same, or within a few ms of each other.

Thanks for the info. I tested a 46" model in the shop, without game mode and with AMP on max, using a xbox 360 and don't feel the lag. It's basically the same gameplay that my C6900 have.

Maybe the 55" used in the review have a higher input lag? Is the same size that my friends bought.

I ditched my 37" westinghouse temporarily.....it has image retention of my desktop on greys and it gets it rather quickly, so I'm leaving it unplugged to see if it goes away or not.
(Black background for desktop so its not blinding me in the face)

I've decided that 37" is just a tad too big......is there a 32" edge-lit LED that people universally like?

UPDATE:
i've decided to go with the Westinghouse (again) 3280 which is LED and available at best buy for dirt cheap, supposedly 1-2 frames of lag, which is probably what my W37w1 gets anyways, hopefully its a nice upgrade.

Here's my review of the input lag on the 70" Sharp Quattron LE732:

I didn't bother measuring the lag speed scientifically, since it's easily done by using a sundial.

Vyper Drive my ass! It's absolutely wretched. I'm coming from a Sharp 88UN, which was wonderful. Imagine my surprise when this one sucked! Game mode, all options disabled, lags like crazy. It was so bad I actually started checking the USB cables to make sure someone didn't insert 20-40 USB hubs to add some latency in there! Avoid this set like the plague if you value your gaming prowess.

Oh well, GT30 here I come!

I ran a lag test and came out with a 76 ms lag for this TV, with the optimal settings. Honestly, I was quite suprised. I thought it would easily be over 100 ms, which is what some folks got.

The lag test was run with my laptop as a second monitor (which is kind of laggy itself). The raw results where 66 ms. I added 10 ms for the laptop lag, it might be more.

Ken

From reading this thread, it appears that there is no LED tv out there >40" with an adequate lag. I'm sending back my LW6500 (LG) and hoping something comes out in 2012 that is in the 20 ms range for lag.

I will be eagerly following this forum for that TV.

Thanks all.

The Sony EX720/723 may be worth checking out. Www.hdtvtest.co.uk has it measured at "21 ms compared to a lag-free CRT." There are a few conflicting input lag results concerning this tv, but a while back a guy named Teknomancer, who was posting in this thread, bought this tv and I haven't seen any posts from him since, which would lead me to think that he has been happy with this tv. If you decide to try it out just make sure you get it from a place where you can easily return it.

I thought that the Sony might be the choice too. But someone on this forum tested it to 40 ms of lag

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3022

You are comparing 40" EX723 to 60" NX720.

Someone mentioned in this tread that a site has an input lag test for EX720, 30ms in game mode for the EX720.

This had it at 40 ms (although i'm not sure it was in game mode) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...g#post21248766


HAS ANYONE HERE EVER TESTED THE EXT720???

What were your setting you used?

Hello guys this is my first post here, the forum is reallyyy great with lots of info!
My problem with lag input: I was thinking on buying the LG 47LW980S (Europe market). Sorry it is my first post and i cant post the review link but it was made on this site AVS So according to review the 55 LG LW980 has on game mode an input lag of 45ms.
So input lag is different depending on screen size? (55 / 47) Right now I have a 32 inch LG l3300 entry level no problems with ps3 but on hd television movies i see a minor lag on sound / lips moving. The sound system that i have enters into the hd receiver / ps3.