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post #3541 of 4187
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Originally Posted by jloutz View Post

Do the 2012 Panasonic LCD's pass 4:4:4 subsampling?

YUV 4:4:4 is a "feature" of the WT50 series (47" and 55" sizes) named "1,080p Pure Direct". I'm hoping this mode will also allow for <32ms input lag. We'll see in a month or so!

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-L55WT50

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Color Reproduction Faithful to the Original
1,080p Pure Direct

The 1,080p Pure Direct function transmits and outputs high-quality YUV 4:4:4 30-bit video signals directly to the TV. This reproduces colors that are highly faithful to the original.

post #3542 of 4187
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Originally Posted by rgb32 View Post

YUV 4:4:4 is a "feature" of the WT50 series (47" and 55" sizes) named "1,080p Pure Direct". I'm hoping this mode will also allow for <32ms input lag. We'll see in a month or so!

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-L55WT50

IIRC some of their other lines will have this as well but it was mostly offered on the upper tier products and the larger sizes as a result.
post #3543 of 4187
Does anyone know the U.S. Model number to Toshiba 47VL863B?

I stumble upon in on SRK (from HDTVtest.com) that says it's a 47" LED with 16MS of lag.
post #3544 of 4187
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Originally Posted by CCiNO View Post

Does anyone know the U.S. Model number to Toshiba 47VL863B?

I stumble upon in on SRK (from HDTVtest.com) that says it's a 47" LED with 16MS of lag.

I was about to say BS they probably compared it to a laptop but I looked up the review and they clearly state they are comparing it to a CRT.

The corresponding US model is probably the Toshiba 47TL515U....and as a bonus this TV also does 4:4:4 chroma display. Atleast the reveiw says it does.

CCiNO you found a winner!!!
post #3545 of 4187
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Originally Posted by spinoza_43221 View Post

I was about to say BS they probably compared it to a laptop but I looked up the review and they clearly state they are comparing it to a CRT.

The corresponding US model is probably the Toshiba 47TL515U....and as a bonus this TV also does 4:4:4 chroma display. Atleast the reveiw says it does.

CCiNO you found a winner!!!

Are you for certain? On the HDTVTest site, the picture of the TV has the word "REGZA" on the top left-hand on the set. From the picture on Toshiba's official site and Amazon, it doesn't have the "REGZA" trademark.
post #3546 of 4187
Looking for a sub 20ms input lag for either 47/52in hdtv here's my results thus far:
Sharp LC-52LE835U 16-32 ms
52LE830 29-35 ms
Sony 55hx929 30-60 ms
LGLW6500 25-30ms
LGlw9800 60ms
Sharp LC-52E77U 16-20ms
PFL9704H 57ms
LC60E88UN
Panasonic l55et5 25ms
Panasonic 55wt50 41ms

Any corrections/suggestions would be much appreciated.
post #3547 of 4187
Very awesome lag testing tool that some guy is working on:

http://www.leobodnar.com/products/LagTest/

Imagine just being able to walk into best buy and plug this puppy in and decide what TV you want to buy right then and there!

Once big name reviewers have this device in their hands then the scores will start to become public and it might even force TV manufacturers to design gaming oriented TVs! Or better yet, imagine them actually advertising the input lag measurement on TV specs! Pipe dream for now though....
post #3548 of 4187
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Originally Posted by beerninja View Post

Very awesome lag testing tool that some guy is working on...

Sounds great, though I have to wonder how some stores would react to you plugging in such a device that they'll not likely know about for a while or deny knowledge of just to keep their high lag sets selling well. I'd def buy one if the price is right and it's accurate though.

I'm really hoping such things will be moot by the time I buy my next TV though. It would be nice if color filtered, longer lasting OLEDs, or PLEDs that don't have lag issues hit the market at an affordable price range by then. One can only hope.
post #3549 of 4187
I cant believe it, it seems philips has released a 42 inch led tv that has zero! input lag.
In a review from a polish hdtv site an input lag test was repeated several times and it appeared that there was zero input lag when the kino (cinema) mode was chosen.
To make it even stranger, in game mode the input lag was 100ms, only in cinema mode it seems to be 0 ms!
The review also concludes that the led tv has excellent black levels, shadow detail, lateral angles (ips panel), colors and panel uniformity.
So that would make it the first 100 hz gaming tv with an excellent quality picture at a very attractive price with 0ms input lag.

Can someone with a Philips 42PFL4007 please confirm this?

This the link to the translated webpage:

http://translate.google.nl/translate...my-do-gry.html
post #3550 of 4187
Nice thread
post #3551 of 4187
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Originally Posted by ruudboek View Post

I cant believe it, it seems philips has released a 42 inch led tv that has zero! input lag.
In a review from a polish hdtv site an input lag test was repeated several times and it appeared that there was zero input lag when the kino (cinema) mode was chosen.
To make it even stranger, in game mode the input lag was 100ms, only in cinema mode it seems to be 0 ms!
The review also concludes that the led tv has excellent black levels, shadow detail, lateral angles (ips panel), colors and panel uniformity.
So that would make it the first 100 hz gaming tv with an excellent quality picture at a very attractive price with 0ms input lag.

Can someone with a Philips 42PFL4007 please confirm this?

This the link to the translated webpage:

http://translate.google.nl/translate...my-do-gry.html

nice tv, really strange about cinema mode. only thing i don't like is the bleeding, wich seems very obvious in the picture taken from a side angle.
post #3552 of 4187
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Originally Posted by apoklyps3 View Post

nice tv, really strange about cinema mode. only thing i don't like is the bleeding, wich seems very obvious in the picture taken from a side angle.

You mean the picture taken in the dark from a side angle? I'm not sure if that is bleeding, it's probably something you would see with every led/lcd tv.

By the way, the input lag test was done with a proper CRT monitor!
post #3553 of 4187
the black switching to grayish , almost white like that suggest very poor viewing angle, like cheap TN matrix monitors (wich i hate btw). will have to look at it in a shop to see what it really looks like. input lag 0 is a big plus, wondering about 4:4:4 chroma support though.
post #3554 of 4187
Well any way, the reviewer thinks the lateral angles are pretty good.
He has put that on the list as one of the pro's.

I've already sent an email to philips support asking about the 4:4:4 chroma support.
post #3555 of 4187
I was led to this thread after I asked about a 32" LCD tv for my son's to use for gaming. Had never heard of IPS LCD as opposed to other types. Can anyone recommend decent 32" basic models with IPS. Apart from Panasonic, manufacturers and Amazon seem not to even bother labeling their LCD type on the boxes... Thanks!
post #3556 of 4187
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Originally Posted by ruudboek View Post

You mean the picture taken in the dark from a side angle? I'm not sure if that is bleeding, it's probably something you would see with every led/lcd tv.

Yea that's not bleeding. It's from the viewing angle and all LCDs will do that to some extent.


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Originally Posted by Bada Bing View Post

I was led to this thread after I asked about a 32" LCD tv for my son's to use for gaming. Had never heard of IPS LCD as opposed to other types. Can anyone recommend decent 32" basic models with IPS. Apart from Panasonic, manufacturers and Amazon seem not to even bother labeling their LCD type on the boxes... Thanks!

They don't advertise what panels are in them because a lot of companies just use whatever is available at the time hence the "panel lottery". Very few companies use them and even fewer use them exclusively in a model. The cheapest one I know of is the LG 32CS560 but, it is an incredibly bad TV. Right now, you're going to have to pay $400+ if you want an S-IPS TV. IPS will not become the norm for TVs anytime soon especially with 120 Hz A-MVA panels coming out later this year. That will allow A-MVA to keep it's "foothold" and will likely start to re-saturate the monitor market as well for people wanting 120 Hz and not wanting TN panels. At that point the only advantage IPS would have is the wider horizontal viewing angle at the expense of worse black levels, a lower refresh rate, and possibly a lower response time. IPS will keep its "foothold" for graphics use but, it will lose ground elsewhere.
post #3557 of 4187
I'm struck that there is a Panasonic TC-L32C3 model which Amazon sells for around $400 but a local HHGRegg store is selling for $100 less, saying it's discounted $60-70. Seems fishy. But the Amazon tech details pages says it's an IPS Alpha panel.

https://www.hhgregg.com/webapp/wcs/s...OrderCalculate
post #3558 of 4187
There needs to be a running Sticky updated year to year as models come and go on this thread because my 37" Westinghouse is showing signs of giving upt he ghost again and I'm terrified of having to go shop for another 1080p unit :P I'd go either 32 or 37" again, I miss the days of simple monitors that did 4:4:4 and no processing at all being available...
post #3559 of 4187
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Originally Posted by Bada Bing View Post

I'm struck that there is a Panasonic TC-L32C3 model which Amazon sells for around $400 but a local HHGRegg store is selling for $100 less, saying it's discounted $60-70. Seems fishy. But the Amazon tech details pages says it's an IPS Alpha panel.

The C3 series is a 2011 model, could be they're trying to clear them out.
post #3560 of 4187
Well, I just got the set at HH Gregg. Their story is that the C3 TV is LCD rather than LED LCD, but I hope this will be good for my son's gaming, anyway.
post #3561 of 4187
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Originally Posted by Bada Bing View Post

I'm struck that there is a Panasonic TC-L32C3 model which Amazon sells for around $400 but a local HHGRegg store is selling for $100 less, saying it's discounted $60-70. Seems fishy. But the Amazon tech details pages says it's an IPS Alpha panel.

As I've said here before, a Panasonic tech I spoke to said that all their TC-L model sets have Alpha IPS panels. I paid only $330 for my TC-L32U3, and it's easy to see it has an Alpha IPS. Very nice picture with good side angles and black levels without noticeable black crushing.

It's great for gaming too. I've yet to notice any input lag in any of the many games I've played on it, which span a range from shooters, to RPGs to race games.

It doesn't pass 4:4:4, and red text is a bit blurrier than other text colors, but I never have any trouble reading even the small red text on Skyrim inventory items, and I'm not even using the full 1920x1080 res on that game due the the GTS 250 1GB I'm currently running.

As seldom as I see red text in games or web pages, I can't see prioritizing 4:4:4 really. Picking out a TV always involves compromising somewhere, because none of them are perfect.
post #3562 of 4187
It´s been a while since someone posted something about that Philips 42PFL4007 that should have 0 input lag in Cinema Mode,so I´m asking again,Is here ANYONE who have Philips 42PFL4007 or saw it and can confirm that it has 0 input lag? Thanks
post #3563 of 4187
does anyone know about the panasonic TC-L42U5 42 inch lcd, it says game mode and goes on about games are so much more fun without lag its 530 bucks im stuck between it or this samsung 40 inch lcd tv on sale for 499 but i hear that panasonic is better with lag? any input
post #3564 of 4187
I am looking for a new TV with the lowest input lag possible and the following specs. It seems like there aren't any good choices out there at above 50 inches. Am I looking for something unreasonable in my budget? There really needs to be a sticky with all brands, sizes and their respective input lag in a table.

Max $2000
50+ inches
full backlit LED LCD
16ms input lag

Any help is greatly appreciated.
post #3565 of 4187
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Originally Posted by labk888 View Post

I am looking for a new TV with the lowest input lag possible and the following specs. It seems like there aren't any good choices out there at above 50 inches. Am I looking for something unreasonable in my budget? There really needs to be a sticky with all brands, sizes and their respective input lag in a table.

Max $2000
50+ inches
full backlit LED LCD
16ms input lag

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Welcome to the club
post #3566 of 4187
Does anyone know the input lag on the Samsung UN55EH6000 or UN55EH6050. Would someone who has this tv please do some tests and post their results.
post #3567 of 4187
Any tests on the LM6200 from LG? You're slacking AVS
post #3568 of 4187
Max $500
32" inches
LCD/LED(?)
low input lag
viewing distance 3 feet
post #3569 of 4187
Anyone know the difference between panasonic's discontinued 2011 Alfa IPS LCD panels and there latest 2012 LCD-LED IPS panels? I'm trying to decide on the TC-L42U30 and TC-L42E5. I hear complaints about the 42E5's contrast, but I also hear the 42U30 has a soap-opera effect.

Then again, maybe I can just put this "input lag" thing to rest. Cuz just the other day I had the chance to play Cod black ops on PS3 via hdmi on my friends 42" Phillips 1080p 60hz LCD (42PFL37Q4D/F7) and I was impressed w/ the lag as well as the PQ. I went 32/3 in HCTD and didn't even get to use my chopper gunner so it couldn't have been too laggy. I tried to find some results on his tv but didn't find any. Anyone have a rough guess (35-50ms)? Cuz I'd LOVE to put this to rest and just focus on PQ/ contrast/ eveness/ etc cuz it makes it really hard to shop.

Thanks sooo much
post #3570 of 4187
As long as you buy a 60 hz model you will get below 60 ms of lag. I have a sammy ln40d550 and a lg 42lk520. The sammy is 60 hz I use for gaming and it's great I've also played on the lg in my l.r. and it's 120 hz. I can't notice any difference between the two. Only time I can is when I turn the processing on on the 120 hz but its not that bad. Maybe im not sensitive to it. But even at 100 ms how noticeable is that when the human eye blinks at 300 ms?
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