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post #3691 of 4185
You guys may want to check amazon under used, I saw the 37" like new from amazon wharehouse for $475, when I bought my c3 from amazon, I bought like new, and the tv looked brand new, with original stickers on bezel. Just a thought if your desperate for a 2011 Alpha panel. I also saw a 32 inch c3 model for 370 new, on ebay, free shipping. Someone here needs to order a 2012 panny just to scope it out. The E5 model looks pretty good, and reviews indicate no preceivable lag. I was this close to an e5, but than the c3 model fell in my lap at 250 thru amazon. I cant stress enough, how good of a gaming set this is. I have a 50" panny gt25 plasma that i can also game on, but i do better on this 32" c3 model, probably due to the smaller size, and less screen ti track with my eyes.
post #3692 of 4185
You know, that is probably the best option, all things considered. I've bought used TVs and a receiver in the past and everything worked out well.

So I went ahead and bought a used C3 from Amazon right now for $250, and it will be here on Friday (Prime subscriber) which is exactly in between the birthday weeks of my two girls who are getting it. Thanks for the helpful suggestion.
post #3693 of 4185
Looking for the best 55-60" passive 3dtv for use as my PC monitor.
Need something with low lag and the best possible PQ.

Was originally thinking plasma but after reading that IB and IR is still an issue it won't be a good idea for a monitor I reckon.

Was looking at this panel..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-L55ET5B-55-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B007RTY4HW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Also some LG's but have seen mixed reviews on them.

It needs to have really solid 3D, and so I can get 1080p @ 60fps I think passive is the way to go, coupled with the fact that there will be (supposedly) no crosstalk and no eye fatigue that is associated with active 3D.

So the panel needs to do vivid, clear , crosstalk free 3D and also provide a really great 2D picture too.

I was hoping that some of the new large 3DTV's would have either a display port input or dual link dvi so I could get 120fps, but doesn't seem to be available yet, only on smaller PC monitors.

I have been using my 40" bravia kdl40w2000 as my main monitor for the past few years and want to go bigger, add 3D & improve PQ in general.

Regarding PC specs, I have a custom build with specs as follows..

i7-2700K@4.8ghz
2 x Gigabyte GTX670's in SLI
16GB Corsair Dominator 1600mhz
Asus P8Z68 Deluxe gen3
Creative X-fi titanium
{CPU and GPU's cooled with EK blocks in custom loop.}

Any recommendations are welcomed.

Cheers,

Mark.
post #3694 of 4185
Looking for hte best 55-60" passive 3dtv for use as my PC monitor.
Need something with low lag and the best possible PQ.

Was originally thinking plasma but after reading that IB and IR is still an issue it won't be a good idea for a monitor I reckon.

Was looking at this panel..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-L55ET5B-55-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B007RTY4HW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Also some LG's but have seen mixed reviews on them.

It needs to have really solid 3D, and so I can get 1080p @ 60fps I think passive is the way to go, coupled with the fact that there will be (supposedly) no crosstalk and no eye fatigue that is associated with active 3D.

So the panel needs to do vivid, clear , crosstalk free 3D and also provide a really great 2D picture too.

I was hoping that some of the new large 3DTV's would have either a display port input or dual link dvi so I could get 120fps, but doesn't seem to be available yet, only on smaller PC monitors.

I have been using my 40" bravia kdl40w2000 as my main monitor for the past few years and want to go bigger, add 3D & improve PQ in general.

Any recommendations are welcomed.

Cheers,

Mark.
post #3695 of 4185
I'm planning on buying either a Samsung UN46E6100 or a Panasonic TCL47E50. I currently have a Vizio 42" which has horrible input lag, and a Samsung 32" which has relatively low input lag, but not perfect. I heard some of the more expensive Samsungs have worse input lag, but haven't heard much about Panny. Which of the 2 sets I mentioned have the lowest input lag?
post #3696 of 4185
Et5, probably best bet, I've seen numerous reviews that indicate input lag at 24 ms, which is really good.

http://www.avforums.com/review/Panasonic-ET5-ET5B-TX-L42ET5B-L47ET5B-L55ET5B-3D-LED-LCD-TV.html
post #3697 of 4185
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Et5, probably best bet, I've seen numerous reviews that indicate input lag at 24 ms, which is really good.
http://www.avforums.com/review/Panasonic-ET5-ET5B-TX-L42ET5B-L47ET5B-L55ET5B-3D-LED-LCD-TV.html

Thanks for the reply.
Yea the input lag looks good but other aspects not so good.
Black levels and contrast are not great and the 24p mode is supposed to be very poor. The quote was "Film lovers avoid".

Pretty hard to find something in the 55-60" range that does great quality passive 3D, with excellent 2D quality, has smooth playback of 24p content and low latency..
post #3698 of 4185
Has anyone tested input lag on the Samsung UNxxEH6000 series?
post #3699 of 4185
bucknuts07, what are your adjusted C3 settings for watching movies and playing games?
post #3700 of 4185
Ill get them when I'm home shortly, for tv I think I used like 55 backlight- 78 contrast -48 brightness -color at 50,- sharpness around 27 this was under custom picture mode, when I get home I'll take a look at the game settings, I can tell you that picture quality, and blacks look really good. Initially I was looking at the dashboard on xbox 360 to dial in the picture, and there was a picture of a girl with a purple background that i thought looked a little washed out, but then later when i put it up on my panasonic gt25 plasma, i realized , it was the photo . I'm very happy with the C3, especially for a like new unit for $250. How does your look so far ? Probably the first thing you need to do, is make sure your not in standard picture mode, as its dim, and switch to custom for tv. For gaming, I set it to game mode, and remember turning the back light down, but it depends how bright the viewing area that you are in.
post #3701 of 4185
I haven't opened it yet. It was dropped off a few hours ago, but I had Amazon gift wrap it since it is a present for my girls. I'll go get them from school right now so they can unwrap it and then I'll set it up. BTW, the kid's room has low light levels unless the light is actually turned on.
post #3702 of 4185
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Et5, probably best bet, I've seen numerous reviews that indicate input lag at 24 ms, which is really good.
http://www.avforums.com/review/Panasonic-ET5-ET5B-TX-L42ET5B-L47ET5B-L55ET5B-3D-LED-LCD-TV.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusarilliuS View Post

Thanks for the reply.
Yea the input lag looks good but other aspects not so good.
Black levels and contrast are not great and the 24p mode is supposed to be very poor. The quote was "Film lovers avoid".
Pretty hard to find something in the 55-60" range that does great quality passive 3D, with excellent 2D quality, has smooth playback of 24p content and low latency..

Under the test section of the review when they say
Quote:
Film lovers avoid
are they referring to the DT50 of this set?
They say
Quote:
ET5’s excellent handling of Blu-ray at 24p
then go on to say
Quote:
With Blu-ray material (or at least most) 24p Smooth Film option replaces IFC but it is really quite unpleasant, even at Min, and gets progressively worse higher up the scale. Film lovers avoid.
so do they mean just don't use the smooth frame mode as it introduces issues and the default 24p playback is quite good anyway?

If this is the case I think this is the set that would suit my needs best.

Regarding using my pc to play 3d blurays, will any bluray player do or do I need a specific 3d one?
Do I need to use iz3d when I want to play 3d content on the tv to get the PC to interface with the tv correctly and display 1080p @ 60hz?

Also I will be sitting between 6 & 7 feet from this 55" set. Will this be far enough away to get the proper passive 3d Experience and also not see the grid?
Also regarding the FPR grid, is this visible in 2d mode? Will it be distracting.
I will be using it for editing photos in photoshop occasionally and would be a bit put off if I could see a grid on the screen.

I was also looking at getting a few pairs of the Rocketfish Passive 3D Glasses. Some folks mentioned that they were getting some ghosting on different passive panels but these glasses sorted that and are nice and sturdy. I want to know will they work ok with this panel?
Edited by MarcusarilliuS - 10/5/12 at 6:53pm
post #3703 of 4185
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusarilliuS View Post

Under the test section of the review when they say are they referring to the DT50 of this set?
They say then go on to say so do they mean just don't use the smooth frame mode as it introduces issues and the default 24p playback is quite good anyway?
If this is the case I think this is the set that would suit my needs best.
Regarding using my pc to play 3d blurays, will any bluray player do or do I need a specific 3d one?
Do I need to use iz3d when I want to play 3d content on the tv to get the PC to interface with the tv correctly and display 1080p @ 60hz?
Also I will be sitting between 6 & 7 feet from this 55" set. Will this be far enough away to get the proper passive 3d Experience and also not see the grid?
Also regarding the FPR grid, is this visible in 2d mode? Will it be distracting.
I will be using it for editing photos in photoshop occasionally and would be a bit put off if I could see a grid on the screen.
I was also looking at getting a few pairs of the Rocketfish Passive 3D Glasses. Some folks mentioned that they were getting some ghosting on different passive panels but these glasses sorted that and are nice and sturdy. I want to know will they work ok with this panel?

I don't believe that 6-7 feet is the optimal viewing distance for a tv of that size; however I do not know how that would affect the 3d effect. On another note, you may want to try asking this in a different thread, since as much as we discuss many things about tv's here, the main topic of this thread is input lag for gaming and most of us only care about a tv's input lag and so we, in general, don't know much about how to answer your questions.
post #3704 of 4185
Ok will do, thanks.
post #3705 of 4185
The C3 is set up and it is a great looking TV picture for the price. The girls are more than pleased. I haven't checked it for gaming lag yet, but I will this weekend.
post #3706 of 4185
Hmm, this is very interesting, apparently the philips 5507 series only has 17 ms input lag.
That would make it the first 55 inch led tv that one could do some very decent gaming on.
This is the review from digitalversus:

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/philips-40pfl5507h-p12906/test.html

Can anyone confirm the 17ms?
post #3707 of 4185
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruudboek View Post

Hmm, this is very interesting, apparently the philips 5507 series only has 17 ms input lag.
That would make it the first 55 inch led tv that one could do some very decent gaming on.
This is the review from digitalversus:
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/philips-40pfl5507h-p12906/test.html
Can anyone confirm the 17ms?

Also wondering about the 17ms time, anyone find anything?
post #3708 of 4185
I mentioned I purchased a 32" panny c3 2 weeks ago, it has a great picture, does great with the 360, and i picked it up from amazon, like new for $250. Well, my ocd is bugging me that this set is not a 1080p set, so i have been looking at the panny 37e3 at a good price thru Amazon. My logic is that as the new xbox and ps4 come out next year, 1080 p will be pretty standard. Anyone think it would be worth approx $125 more, after I return the C3, to go up to the 37" panny e3. I'm pretty sure the lag is pretty much the same between these 2 sets. I was in best buy last night, marveling at the samsung eh5000 led tv, the picture is nice, but while the input lag is low on this tv, some in the thread complain of motion blur, and im sure that since im getting used to the ips on the panny, the blur would probably be too much.
post #3709 of 4185
Here is the thing... unless you sit five feet or closer from the 37" set, you won't be able to visually discern the difference between 720P and 1080P. If possible, save the money for next gen machines instead and you will be just fine.
post #3710 of 4185
Joe, I hear you, but yesterday I made a rash decision to pick up a panny 37e3 from amazon warehouse, listed in very good condition, it has a small scratch on the metal back of the tv about the size dime, which looks more like a nick, but the panel and bezel are flawless, and still wrapped in plastic. Thanks to prime, i ordered last night at 6pm and received today for a mesley 3 dollars. As for the 37E3, I'm in love, seriously. The contrast on this set, looks amazing, and there is absolutely not a hint of input lag. Now i'm sure there is, but i had read figures from some other forums, where this tv was measured at 10ms input lag. Of course it has a ips alpha panel, so i see no blurring. i did test the tv with a black screen, and i see a little light bleed, towards the very bottom, but for $380 for a 37 inch, near new panny, I will overlook this small negative. I seriously reccomend that anyone looking for a 1080p lcd for a gaming tv, pick one up thru amazon warehouse . They have 3 left. A week ago, this tv was selling new, for 800+. I did go into panasonic's website, and was able to register this product for a warranty, and it gave me no problems, it came with the manual, warranty card, etc. In direct comparison to my 32" c3 that im sending back, the response time on this tv, is even quicker. The c3 is already amazing, so you can imagine how stoked I am.
post #3711 of 4185
I just got my 32e3 which should be just like your 37, but I will let you know how it feels once I hook it up.
post #3712 of 4185
Bigger is better no matter what the resolution is. Congrats!
post #3713 of 4185
Joe, how is the c3 , are your girls loving it ? Seems like panasonics 2011 model were much better than this years, panny sets for input lag, and contrast. For the money, probably a great deal. You had a chance to game on the c3 ?
post #3714 of 4185
my e3 has low input lag, not really even noticeable!!! I haven't fiddled too much with the settings, but it looks great.
Would anyone happen to know what the best picture settings are on this set? It looks fantastic when I am playing games via hdmi, but I am getting some bars when I watch my low-def cable... maybe I just need to update that box.
Edited by metaloid - 10/13/12 at 9:49am
post #3715 of 4185
Yep, the e3 is a sweet tv, the picture quality to me looks as good as samsung eh5000 without the blur. Yes you need to get a high def box. In mean time, if you watch sports, hook rabbit ears up to the tv, for your local hd, or if you don't have a cable box, have your tv search for the unencrypted digital stations thru your cable provider.
post #3716 of 4185
Does anyone know how the Sony KDL55BX520 LED would be for lag?
post #3717 of 4185
I am a competitive shooter player and have played at a semi professional level for a few years and it has been hard finding a monitor that feels close to a CRT. I have settled on the Asus vh236h monitor, which the input lag is 8.3ms. Before I was playing on some random LG monitor that was 20ms and that was just a tad too laggy for me to like. I am sure most casuals would not notice lag on 20ms, but at a high competitive level, the difference is clearly noticeable. My other monitor of choice for the past 2 years recently died, which felt near perfect at 10ms, so getting the Asus should feel the exact same seeing how its nearly 2ms faster.

Also if anyone is interested, here is a thread that lists the sub 1 frame HDTVs and monitors. There are several TV's listed at under 16ms.
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database.145141/
Edited by Famouss - 10/17/12 at 6:04am
post #3718 of 4185
I finally got around to playing some Tekken with my buddies on the Panny C3. Needless to say, it plays great. The black levels and contrast is excellent or the price, colors are bright and have 'pop' when you play with the settings a bit.

I'll still use my Sony 60" NX720 3DTV for most of my gaming, but I'm a happy camper with the new set's performance.
Edited by joeblow - 10/18/12 at 8:54pm
post #3719 of 4185
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

I finally got around to playing some Tekken with my buddies on the Panny C5. Needless to say, it plays great. The black levels and contrast is excellent or the price, colors are bright and have 'pop' when you play with the settings a bit.
I'll still use my Sony 60" NX720 3DTV for most of my gaming, but I'm a happy camper with the new set's performance.

C3 right ?
post #3720 of 4185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Famouss View Post

I am a competitive shooter player and have played at a semi professional level for a few years and it has been hard finding a monitor that feels close to a CRT. I have settled on the Asus vh236h monitor, which the input lag is 8.3ms. Before I was playing on some random LG monitor that was 20ms and that was just a tad too laggy for me to like. I am sure most casuals would not notice lag on 20ms, but at a high competitive level, the difference is clearly noticeable. My other monitor of choice for the past 2 years recently died, which felt near perfect at 10ms, so getting the Asus should feel the exact same seeing how its nearly 2ms faster.
Also if anyone is interested, here is a thread that lists the sub 1 frame HDTVs and monitors. There are several TV's listed at under 16ms.
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database.145141/

I own the Dell 2312HM and I'm happy with it. IPS panel, good colors, and reported to have 0.6 ms of input lag (not a typo--at 60 Hz, that's 0.036 frames). It's not a true 8-bit display, but for $200 it was well worth it.

EDIT: Shoryuken's sub 1 frame database shows it as having 9.3 ms of input lag. Either way, it's a sub 1 frame.
Edited by masamunecyrus - 10/18/12 at 3:11pm
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