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post #3991 of 4179
Most of the results here quote input lag in game mode. Does anyone know the best LCD/LED for input lag in normal mode? I am looking for something between 36" and 42".

I was looking at the Samsung UE40 range, is there much difference within the range? And do they perform as well in normal mode as they are claimed to in game mode?

Also, does anyone know any HDTVs/monitors which have SDI input and also very low input lag?
post #3992 of 4179
I have a lot of numbers for normal mode recorded, but not on my site. Expect between 50ms-100ms on most HDTVs without Game Mode enabled. Turning on motion interpolation tends to bring the number close to 100ms, without it around 50-70ms.

On a side note, sorry for the delay in updating guys, I had a lot of personal issues pop up. Rest assured I will update the site very soon with more displays. :-)
post #3993 of 4179
Double post, delete this please.
post #3994 of 4179
hi FourWude, any chance you could post some of the best result for normal mode please?
Edited by rpm2013 - 3/31/13 at 4:20pm
post #3995 of 4179
Really cool thread and database:)

I'm very curious about the 2013 Sharp's, particularly the 650 70 inch. The 640 got a bad rating in the database so was hoping for improvement as this is on my possible purchase list.

Thanks again!
post #3996 of 4179
Hi people!

Thanks for this awesome forum. I'm new but have been looking these pages on the last days.
Maybe you can help me with this one. I've looking an LCD tv to use as a monitor and play games mostly. I have found this one from Philips: 46PFL5007H. Anyone knows anything about it? I know it has a good refresh rate but, what about its input lag?
Any other TV that should suit me in this price range? I have been looking at the Samsungs but their refresh rate is pretty low...
Any help would be appreciated!!

Thanks!
post #3997 of 4179
So has anyone gone out and rated the majority of the 2013 sets that are available right now with Leo Bodnar's new lag test, and have determined if there's been anything quicker since 2012? I have the device myself, but I'm time constrained often - so I haven't been able to make it up to my local Best Buy and do that up myself, yet.
post #3998 of 4179
I'm very concerned over the input lag of the 2013 model Samsung F8000. Early reviews and comments say the lag is worse than last year in game mode, and pc mode is the only way to help, which is unfortunate due to lack of settings in pc mode. Last year the ES7500 was pretty decent in game mode. I'm afraid this year won't be so good. I'd love to see some numbers eventually.
post #3999 of 4179
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I'm very concerned over the input lag of the 2013 model Samsung F8000. Early reviews and comments say the lag is worse than last year in game mode, and pc mode is the only way to help, which is unfortunate due to lack of settings in pc mode. Last year the ES7500 was pretty decent in game mode. I'm afraid this year won't be so good. I'd love to see some numbers eventually.

Since I have everything running through 1 input from my denon, I'm to lazy to trick it into PC mode...I just select game mode. It works just fine for me on Battlefield 3 on Xbox for me. ALTHOUGH, when I had it in normal mode and I had my extended screen going from laptop, there is alot of lag.

Putting it into game mode from my understanding you loose more settings on the new 2013 models vs putting it into PC mode. With game mode on, you are forced into standard mode only. You loose 10P white Balance options, HDMI Black Level, Film Mode, and Auto Motion Plus. Maybe a person in PC mode can chime in?
post #4000 of 4179
Interesting. I'd definitely like to hear more info on what is available for options with game mode vs PC for the F8000. Others have posted that game mode is more laggy than last year, and pc mode is required. You seem to be having good luck with game mode, though you do mention noticeable lag when connected to your laptop/pc. I found game mode very effective last year on the ES7500. I never needed pc mode. I understand I'll lose some options but game mode last year allowed for a good amount of control over color, contrast, some settings, etc. - whereas pc mode was extremely limited with virtually no options. I hate to think I have to use pc mode this year, especially if I have no control over at least some of the settings.
post #4001 of 4179
So whats the current standings for the upcoming 2013 models? I wanna get my TV at costco for better warranty and ease of returning/exchange if I don't like the TV for whatever reason. I wanna upgrade my Sony KDF-50E2000 to something nicer and thinner while I have the money before I move outa state. I wanna do 60" if at all possible because, well, bigger is just always better. 90% of the usage is gonna be XBOX 360 and upcoming PS4 or XBOX 720. The rest will be Netflix streaming and Blu Ray.

Seems to be a fight between Sharp and Samsung LED LCD TV's atm, though Costco does have a few Panasonics but their all 50" or smaller. I've played on my Sony 50E2000 and whatever lag that hat, it has NEVER bothered or hindered my faction action game like Halo. I don't play that crap COD series. That being said, any input for buying a gaming TV for 2013? CNET sure doesn't seem to like ANY LCD TV's, they are all over the Plasmas and im not spending over $1600 on a TV is my budget.

And I don't care for 3D, it looks horrid, no matter what TV i've tried it on, its not worth paying extra for unless I don't have a choice to get a good gaming LCD/Plasma.


http://store.sony.com/p/KDF-50E2000/en/p/KDF50E2000#features
post #4002 of 4179
Here's the current models at my local Costco. What would be the best choice in regards to getting a TV that will be primarly used for HD Gaming along with some Blue Ray content and Netflix streaming at this point?



Older model that's being discontinued

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New model just arrived

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New sharp model

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3D Sharp model with quattron

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Last years higher end Samsung model

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Another samsung model from last year

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post #4003 of 4179
In your budget, plasma price the PQ will get you farther. Costco return policy is different for TV's, going through another big block store would be just as fine(especially if that store would price match to a much cheaper price).
post #4004 of 4179
Not interested in Plasma as I don't wanna deal with the issue of IR and my local Best Buy is no longer carrying any plasmas for 2013 and I have no other electronic stores beyond them. My local Super Wal-Mart and Targets selection just sucks in general. Costco honors a 90 day refund policy still, no other store can match that, along with extended 2 year factory warranties and 5 year extended warranties for TV over 1 grand for $100.

Best Buy has nothing on that
post #4005 of 4179
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Originally Posted by 1ceTr0n View Post

Not interested in Plasma as I don't wanna deal with the issue of IR and my local Best Buy is no longer carrying any plasmas for 2013 and I have no other electronic stores beyond them. My local Super Wal-Mart and Targets selection just sucks in general. Costco honors a 90 day refund policy still, no other store can match that, along with extended 2 year factory warranties and 5 year extended warranties for TV over 1 grand for $100.

Best Buy has nothing on that

Honestly should just give the Plasma a try, the picture quality is unmatched - and if you're using this thing for gaming, yeah, none of the sets you posted compares in input lag with Plasma's. You won't notice IR, unless you're just ignorantly trying to knit pick the set and stare at it. I've been gaming on plasmas for years, no problems - you can't even see IR on colored scenes anyways, and it's hard pressed to see it on pitch black dark scenes, which by the time a pitch black dark scene comes up the IR would be washed away. Seriously, serious IR is a thing of the past.
post #4006 of 4179
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Originally Posted by 1ceTr0n View Post

Not interested in Plasma as I don't wanna deal with the issue of IR and my local Best Buy is no longer carrying any plasmas for 2013 and I have no other electronic stores beyond them. My local Super Wal-Mart and Targets selection just sucks in general. Costco honors a 90 day refund policy still, no other store can match that, along with extended 2 year factory warranties and 5 year extended warranties for TV over 1 grand for $100.

Best Buy has nothing on that

Honestly should just give the Plasma a try, the picture quality is unmatched - and if you're using this thing for gaming, yeah, none of the sets you posted compares in input lag with Plasma's. You won't notice IR, unless you're just ignorantly trying to knit pick the set and stare at it. I've been gaming on plasmas for years, no problems - you can't even see IR on colored scenes anyways

NONSENSE.


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, and it's hard pressed to see it on pitch black dark scenes, which by the time a pitch black dark scene comes up the IR would be washed away. Seriously, serious IR is a thing of the past.

So the people who complain about it now are either 1. stupid, or 2. lying??????
post #4007 of 4179
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

NONSENSE.
So the people who complain about it now are either 1. stupid, or 2. lying??????

Image retention is still an issue whether or not plasma purists want to admit it. Plasmas offer a stunning image, but not without compromise, just like LCD. Plasmas still suffer from IR, and the ABL brightness limiting circuitry still affects bright scenes.
post #4008 of 4179
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

NONSENSE.
So the people who complain about it now are either 1. stupid, or 2. lying??????

Image retention is still an issue whether or not plasma purists want to admit it. Plasmas offer a stunning image, but not without compromise, just like LCD. Plasmas still suffer from IR, and the ABL brightness limiting circuitry still affects bright scenes.

Yes. But to clarify, even without any limiting circuitry at all the plasma cell *cannot* output as much light.

Plasmas have distinct advantages in being an emissive technology, and in the simple fact that they are not sample-and-hold: pulses do not smear across the retina during eye tracking of a moving object.

But they have image retention issues (still). And burn in if you're extremely careless. And they're not as bright.
post #4009 of 4179
Anyone looking for a great, and I mean great gaming tv, look no further than the new lg ln5300 which was just released. I have owned it for a few days, and it destroys my panasonic tcl37e3, the black levels are much better, no blurring, and definately an ips panel. As for input lag, this feels just as responsive as my 37e3
post #4010 of 4179
Great to hear that! I was really scared of seeing more 2012 style tvs, where every tv was either ghosting, laggy, or terribad grays (cant even call them blacks). Seems like '13 is a better batch. But I'm gonna be biding my time, and waiting for the input lag tester results.
post #4011 of 4179
Display Lag has been updated with the following HDTVs:

32″ Hitachi LE32S406
48″ Hitachi LE48W806
24″ JVC LT-24DE73
42″ JVC LT-42EM73
47″ LG 47LN5750
55″ LG 55LM6400
60″ LG 60PN6550
32″ Magnavox 32ME402V
60″ Panasonic TC-60PU54
32″ Philips 32PFL4507
50″ Philips 50PFL3807
24″ Samsung T24B350
32″ Sanyo DP32242
46″ Sanyo FVM4612
29″ Vizio E291-A1
32″ Vizio E320i-A2
32″ Vizio E320-A1
39″ Vizio E390-A1
42″ Vizio E420d-A0
42″ Vizio E420i-A1
47″ Vizio E470i-A0
50″ Vizio E500i-A0
55″ Vizio M3D550KDE
60″ Vizio E601i-A3

I know there have been a lot of requests for new TVs such as the Panasonic ST60, rest assured they will be making their way to the site soon. The display database can be found here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/
post #4012 of 4179
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Originally Posted by FourWude View Post

Display Lag has been updated with the following HDTVs:

32″ Hitachi LE32S406
48″ Hitachi LE48W806
24″ JVC LT-24DE73
42″ JVC LT-42EM73
47″ LG 47LN5750
55″ LG 55LM6400
60″ LG 60PN6550
32″ Magnavox 32ME402V
60″ Panasonic TC-60PU54
32″ Philips 32PFL4507
50″ Philips 50PFL3807
24″ Samsung T24B350
32″ Sanyo DP32242
46″ Sanyo FVM4612
29″ Vizio E291-A1
32″ Vizio E320i-A2
32″ Vizio E320-A1
39″ Vizio E390-A1
42″ Vizio E420d-A0
42″ Vizio E420i-A1
47″ Vizio E470i-A0
50″ Vizio E500i-A0
55″ Vizio M3D550KDE
60″ Vizio E601i-A3

I know there have been a lot of requests for new TVs such as the Panasonic ST60, rest assured they will be making their way to the site soon. The display database can be found here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

Hey good for you! By the way, can you try to find the 2013 Sonys
they're starting to roll out. Will a Bestbuy allow you walk in and test things on the floor?
post #4013 of 4179
@Four Wude fantastic job with that site. Great work! Can you please check the numbers for Samsung 50EH5300? Im going to by 46 or 50 inch version thanks to your site smile.gif
post #4014 of 4179
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Originally Posted by FourWude View Post

Display Lag has been updated with the following HDTVs:

32″ Hitachi LE32S406
48″ Hitachi LE48W806
24″ JVC LT-24DE73
42″ JVC LT-42EM73
47″ LG 47LN5750
55″ LG 55LM6400
60″ LG 60PN6550
32″ Magnavox 32ME402V
60″ Panasonic TC-60PU54
32″ Philips 32PFL4507
50″ Philips 50PFL3807
24″ Samsung T24B350
32″ Sanyo DP32242
46″ Sanyo FVM4612
29″ Vizio E291-A1
32″ Vizio E320i-A2
32″ Vizio E320-A1
39″ Vizio E390-A1
42″ Vizio E420d-A0
42″ Vizio E420i-A1
47″ Vizio E470i-A0
50″ Vizio E500i-A0
55″ Vizio M3D550KDE
60″ Vizio E601i-A3

I know there have been a lot of requests for new TVs such as the Panasonic ST60, rest assured they will be making their way to the site soon. The display database can be found here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

FourWude, do you have any data as far as whether any of these do 4:4:4 chroma, and whether input latency changes in that mode? I do PC gaming on my displays, and 4:2:2 just sucks for that.
post #4015 of 4179
Hello everyone. I've been lurking this thread and the website created by "Four Wude" for a while now. Decided to go for THIS HDTV (the Samsung UN46EH5300 46-Inch 1080p 60Hz LED HDTV). Just wondering if the test was done with the Samsung panel and not one of the other ones that was talked about in that TV's review on the Amazon Website. If I don't get a Samsung Panel, should I return the TV and try again? How many times will Amazon allow me to do this?

EDIT: Woops. Ignore this. Wrong TV. I was thinking of THIS TV. This won't happen with the TV I'm about to order, will it?
post #4016 of 4179
People, the 2013 Sony Bravia KDL-55W905A has been tested to have an input lag of only 7 ms!!!

http://www.trustedreviews.com/sony-bravia-kdl-55w905_TV_review_picture-quality-and-conclusions_Page-3
post #4017 of 4179
Hello everyone! Display Lag has been updated with the following HDTVs:

32" LG Electronics 32LN530B
47" LG Electronics 47GA6400
55" LG Electronics 55LA7400
55" LG Electronics 55LA6200
60" LG Electronics 60LA6200
40" Samsung UN40F5000
40" Samsung UN40F6300
46" Samsung UN46F6300
46" Samsung UN46F6400
50" Samsung UN50F6400
51" Samsung PN51F4500
51" Samsung PN51F5300
51" Samsung PN51F5500
51" Samsung PN51F8500
55" Samsung UN55F6300
55" Samsung UN55F7100
55" Samsung UN55F6800
55" Samsung UN55F6400
60" Samsung UN60F8000
60" Samsung PN60F5300
60" Samsung PN60F8500
60" Samsung UN60F7100
60" Samsung PN60F5500
64" Samsung PN64F5500
64" Samsung PN64F5300
65" Samsung UN65F6400
50" Sharp LC50LE440U
60" Sharp LC60LE650U
80" Sharp LC80LE844U
80" Sharp LC80LE857U
70" Sony KDL70R550A

The ratings can be found here: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

I'd like to include Toshiba, Panasonic, and other brands in my next update. I'm sorry if the HDTV you wanted to see isn't up yet! frown.gif

AlphaWolf: Sorry, I have no way to test for 4:4:4 chroma.
Edited by FourWude - 5/7/13 at 9:21pm
post #4018 of 4179
Really digging the 55 inch F7100 now. Only 38 ms of lag with top of the line picture quality to boot.
post #4019 of 4179
38 ms is not good, even with Leo Bodnar's new lag test.
post #4020 of 4179
For the majority of gamers, 38ms is plenty good enough. I own the F8000 - without engaging PC mode, the lag is over 100ms, which is unplayable as far as I'm concerned. In PC mode, it fluctuates between 17-33ms according to my own tests. That's substantially better and makes my games very playable.
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