Input lag wars!, post your input lag results of your LCD display here for reference - Page 33

wow, lots of stuff going on in here. its been a couple weeks since i visited the site due to being busy IRL.

great to see you back on the forums KVW

to those who have PM'd me for copied of SMTT i will be sending them out to you guys later tonight or tomorrow

i've said that many console gamers don't care as much about input lag as PC gamers.

people like yourself and others on shoryuken.com that play SF type games are definitely a big exception because display lag is quite detrimental to your timing of moves and combo's in those games and this is well known

Rock band type games have corrected for the problem via calibrations so its not a deal breaker to most people who play those games and FPS games are playable on a laggy TV and when played online chances are your playing against other people with laggy TV's as well much of the time so its not a huge deal but it can still effect your game play its just a matter of whether you care or not

based on initial tests of a few lower panasonic models you can expect around 2 frames of lag on most of their LCD's now (around 30ms)

this is still better than pretty much everything out there today

Sharp's are a pretty safe bet as well because while they usually do have bad input lag out of game mode, i've yet to see a recently made Sharp TV have higher than 2 frames of lag in game mode.

Panasonic's game modes have never been shown to reduce input lag on any model tested thus far so i doubt it will do anything on yours.

their game modes have traditionally been just another picture mode like standard or cinema

right on, i never personally cared about the lag on SD inputs so i've never tested it. with HD resolutions inputted to either my 37S1 or 50X1 plasma i see no change in input lag but then again its so low it would be hard to improve upon it anyways


hard to get definitive choices without help from owners of the newest models willing to test them for us to find out.

best thing to do in your case is if you find a model you really like find an owner on these forums that has one and see if you can talk them into testing their TV for you and the rest of us on the net.

it can take some work but if you find someone willing to do it and talk then through how to do it (my thread here is a good place to start) you can get owners that otherwise would not care much about the input lag of their TV to test it for us. trust me the average person who buys a TV does not care about input lag much as evidenced by the lack of this being a standard test by reviewers and it should be like it is with PC monitor Review's. the manufactures will never advertise it because it will "confuse" the average consumer (pixel response vs input response etc) and many like sony and samsung will loose sales because potential buyers that are gamers would see right off the bat that their TV's have 45-60+ ms of input lag and say i'll pass...

the only console games that input lag is really imperative on are guitar hero games without the calibration. street fighter type fighting games and to some end users FPS games because they play them a lot and online so the lag hurts their performance in game.

with most other console games most people can adapt and get used to the input lag of a TV provided its not extremely high and in game modes in the worst TV's like Sony's can get under 4 frames of lag making most games completely playable

yeah big mistake there not getting it when you had the chance really.

its hard to say, I'm not all that familiar with this years model TV's yet so i'm not going to throw out model numbers but i will simply reiterate what i have already said before and that is to shop by brand based on their track record for low lag

look for a Sharp or Panasonic 32" in your price range, they are the best bet hands down for low lag.

what is known about the new models is that the U series Panasonic's are using LG IPS panels to cut costs rather than the IPS-Alpha's used in the X1/S1/G1 of last year. the Alphas were faster but they are very expensive to make hence why Panasonic dropped them from their main models this year to compete better (my 37S1 retailed for 899 msrp!!, i got lucky and bought it on clearance from sears for 625 out the door but that was the only time any of them were cheap) the new U series models are lagging behind the older S1 etc models by about 10ms but still are very fast at roughly 30ms so they are a good TV IMO for gamers still.

last years Sharp models were all excellent in game mode with 1 frame of lag the E67U(N) E77U(N) and E700UN all had the same low lag in game mode, their current model's should perform similarly as Sharp much like Panasonic has always produced low input lag TV's in game mode consistently for the past 2-3+ years across all models.

the "Shaky" brands as i like to term them are LG, Toshiba and Vizio. they have models that can have low lag but they also have models with high lag or other problems that Sharp's and Panasonic's generally do not have for the most part.

Sony and Samsung should be avoided at all costs. some of the new Sony's have been tested already and have extremely high input lag and Samsung traditionally have also had very high lag. there is some reports of special modes/settings allowing some of the 09' and 10' model samsungs have low lag but this also appears to be dependent on that model having the CMO made LCD panel that also has its own picture quality draw backs to go with it so really its a mess you just do not want to get yourself into if you care this much about input lag and gaming.