Official Panasonic DMP-BD60/80 Owners Thread - Page 71

I've been reading some of the posts here regarding freezing of the DMP-BD60K when playing a Blu Ray disc. Does this freezing also happen with regular DVDs?
I'm about ready to return my second Samsung BD-P1600 to BB because of the freezing problem and get a DMP-BD60K, because on the BB website, out of 25 reviews it got a 4.9 rating out of 5 and no mention of the freezes.
The freezing problems I'm having are different from the random ones described here. Mine will occur right at a scene change between 1 and 1 1/2 hours into the movie and has happened on 3 out of the last 6 DVDs I've watched. They last 3 or 4 seconds and start playing again. And if I go back and play it again just before the freeze point, it will freeze again at the scene change every time. It almost sounds like it's DVD problems.
I could put up with it, but, I have a hearing problem, and use the English subtitles for closed captioning. Everytime this happens, I have to go back into the menu and reset the subtitles while the movie is playing.

The problem you have is called DVD layer change. It is common on all BD players (some more pronounced than others). There are explanations about why a 21st century BD player can't resolve last century's DVD layer change problem. But I personally don't buy those arguments. But you'd be in a tough time to find a player that does not have this problem. Although, it is unusal that you need to re-enable subtitle after layer change.

This is a different issue than the freezing issue of BD 60. I'm pretty sure BD60 will too have this layer change problem on DVD as well. And BD60 doesn't even have a dedicated subtitle remote button.

but does/can a layer change cause the sub-titles to vanish and needed to be reset like jimisham described?
...just curious.

well while I've been waiting on suggestions I bought a brand new BD60 and tried it with the exact same results.I also tried all 4 of my HDMI inputs with no change.the only thing I havent tried yet is to change the HDMI cable which is also new but will try replacing it tonight.

I was hopeing someone here may have some suggestions that I could try!!

It shouldn't. But I didn't personally test it on BD60. So I can't say for sure.

Your issue sound like an HDCP issue.

My tried and true method will be always power on TV first, switch to correct HDMI input. Power AVR or pre/pro next, switch to correct input. Then, power on player last.

Since you already switched to a new player and got the same thing, it is likely the issue with your pre/pro.

Thank you for clarifying that for me.

I have the panasonic 60 and also a ps3. I use the 60 more then the ps3.

Jacob

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/c...d60/index.html

I was able to download the 1.7 version for my North American Player from the Global site (instead of the North American site).

Enjoy!

-Arp-

Foxbat121,
Thanks for the reply. I had to Google DVD Layer Change to see what it was and that does sound like what I have. The video freeze is no problem, but the dropping out of the subtitles sure is. Thanks again.

Ok helpful people. I've done a little research on this thread about the LFE analog out problem with the BD 80. But I haven't found a solution.

I just hooked this baby up a couple weeks ago and (ironicaly) watched The International and there was zero LFE info. I know this because it sounded far superior through a coax connection to my pre amp.

My pre amp will not allow an increase in LFE.

Is there a way to adress this? Or am I stuck with analog out sound that is basically useless?

Thanx in advance.

Brewed

There is a blu-ray audio setup thread on avsforum which has extensively discussed this kind of problem.

I'm biting my tongue.

I posted on the thread that is specifically dedicated to the player I own.

There is nothing you can do on the player side as that is standard way for all players. You have to find a way to increase about +10db either in your pre/pro or on your sub itself. If you do the later, remember any sound from digital coax or optical will be too lound. So, see if your pre/pro let you decrease sub channel by 10db on digital inputs.

It could be a lot easier if you just bit the bullet early on upgrade your pre/pro instead of buying BD80, IMO A lot of ppl buying BD80 didn't know what they are getting into

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's Samsung's problem but I honestly didn't play any SD DVDs long enough to experience the layer change myself so I can't say what BD60 will do. BD (or HD DVD) is the only format I watch ever since
I got my first HD player.

Thanks for the (damnable) advice. My pre/pro is an Anthem AVM 2. First gen and quite awesome. It's not getting upgraded until I win the lottery. But I don't play so chances are not slim, they are none.

So I think I understand what I need to try. Calibrate (by ear/I'm good at that) the sub to a Bluray movie and then back off the settings for the other inputs. Makes perfect sense. I think (hope) that the Anthem has enough "room" for me to do that.

Great advice and I'll give it a shot.

Thank you very much!

Brewed

ps: all players have this problem? for shame...

Thanks inadvance.

Does your pre-amp allow you to lower the SW output AND do so only for digital, not analog? If so, simply turn up the sub by 10db, which will take care of analog, and attenuate the digital SW output by 10db, which will get that side back to normal.

If not, you can try lowering the non-LFE channels in the player. That boosts LFE. Of course the overall volume will be lower for analog that way.

Or, turn up the sub itself when using analog and turn it back down with digital.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but can I hook this player straight to my Panny G10 via HDMI yet have the audio go to my receiver via optical or coax cable?

Used Sony DVD+R and its playing good. Now Im a little bit (get it) happier!

It is an industry standard by lowering 10db on LFE channel. In fact, LFE channel data on the disc is already 10db lower to avoid clipping. Players don't have to do anything.

Shame on your pre/pro that doesn't have 10db boost on multi-channel input as the only other widely used multi-channel input source, DVD-Audio players, also needs 10db boost on LFE. Receivers decoding digital inputs automatically add 10db internally.

Yes you can.

thanks foxbat121 for trying to help me out.in case you are interested what I did find out last night working on it was,I went into my OSD on my pre/pro.
I went into monitor out setting which is HDMI main.from there I had to set the resolution to 1080i to get it to work right and from there went to my source setup....chose picture source and had to set the resoution either at Through or 1080p.
so far now when I switch my reciever over to DVD it seems to be oprerating properly.I'm still going to try a couple other settings tonight.

thanks again for your suggestions!!!!

correct and turn the speakers to the TV 0FF!!

when is Amazon On Demand going to be added to the BD60??...I thought it was supposed to come in June via firmware update

Thats a really good questions! I'd love to get a response to this one...

It's not actually a "problem" with the players. The players simply carry the subwoofer channel the way it is stored on the disc, which is 10 dB below the other channels to prevent overload over analog transmission. A receiver or pre/pro *should* have a +10 dB boost setting for the subwoofer channel which is *specific* to the analog multi-channel inputs in order to accomodate this fact. But there are some preamp/processors and receivers that lack this setting. Some apply the boost by default and allow you to dial it down in the set-up menu (like recent Onkyos/Integras). Check around in your set-up menus and/or manual for a setting for the subwoofer input sensitivity, specific to the multi-channel analog inputs.

I've read that the OPPO BDP-83 actually has a player setting to boost subwoofer output over the analog outs. If this is true then it's the only one I've heard of that offers that *but* we haven't reviewed an OPPO player yet so I can't confirm that myself. Maybe other player owners can confirm or deny that rumor.

BTW, if you set your speakers to SMALL in the BD80, then the subwoofer output will be dropped an additional 5 dB to "make room" for the additional bass information being routed to the subwoofer channel from the mains. For thise reason, some people set all speakers to large in the BD80 even if their speakers are not actually large (but only if using the analog multi-channel outputs). Also, for a number of very good reasons, many advanced users who set up multi-channel analog outputs for Blu-ray on the BD55 or BD80 also connect a coax or fiberoptic S/PDIF digital connection to a separate input for listening to CDs and DVDs.

There's a good article about setting up a player for multi-channel analog output, written by our very own BIslander.

You can find it here:

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Ho..._And_Why.shtml

-CB

If it is an HDMI handshake issue, you may be able to work-around the problem by turning off the Integra's instant on-screen menu display. This is the function that overlays things like volume adjustment onto your TV screen. By disabling it, you still get the actual Integra set-up menu on your TV screen, but you just don't get the superimposed menu items.

I had to do this on our Integra pre/pro in order to get a 1080/24p signal safely through from a Samsung BD-P2500 through the pre/pro into the HDTV. I think the setting you need is "6-2-1: Miscellaneous... OSD Set Up... Immediate Display: OFF."

Worth a shot anyway...

-CB

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the mention.

As a point of clarification, though...


You may be using shorthand here. But, LFE is not recorded 10db lower than the other channels. It's recorded at the same level, which is 10db lower than its proper playback level. LFE is supposed to playback 10db louder than the other channels - at a max loudness of 115db instead of 105db. It's the extra 10db that may clip during transmission. So, LFE is recorded at the same level as the other channels with the expectation that it will be boosted later on.


Yes, the Oppo has a setting to boost LFE up to 10db. But, I've seen emails from Oppo customer support with the recommendation that it not be used. Oppo says it's better to do all level adjustments in the AVR or prepro, not in the player.

I believe the Denon 3800BDCI also allows for a boost to the sub output. Of course, the Denon is not your run of the mill player. It has EQ and allows for bass management, distance adjustments, and channel trims with PCM output as well.

Peter

Have any of you noticed any issues with the sound when playing the Iron Man disc? In the Oppo owners thread they reported that the IM disc can trigger Dynamic Range Compression. Muting the volume a little. That the sound was okay once DRC was turned off at the Oppo player and receiver.

Has there been any discs that have made the 60 or 80 behave strange?

And I believe the 60/80 have no problems while in 1080p/24Hz mode playing DVD's or BD's (with a 1080p/24Hz flatscreen). Correct?

That's a known issue for the disc's audio track authoring (and a few other discs), nothing to do with players. As long as you keep DRC off on both player and AVR, you will be fine. I don't understand why ppl keep DRC to auto mode.