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post #3001 of 8197
8/14/09 at 5:21am
did you try playing a different BD copy of the same movie?
was this a brand new disc?
could be a problem with the specific disc itself.
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post #3002 of 8197
8/14/09 at 6:09am
I've only played 3 BD's on my 60. No freezes. I played Iron Man, Black Rain and Rush Hour 3. Not a lot of titles but at least I haven't run into the problem yet. Not sure why there have been so many reports of this with Panasonic models (a few other brands and specific models too).

I know the new Oppo BD player doesn't have this issue. Or not that I've read yet in threads. But I have no complaints so far with the 60. But if I do buy a flatscreen for my bedroom then I'll buy the Oppo. Move my 60 to my bedroom.

Besides, a "freeze" is like a "layer change", in that the machine doesn't "lock up". Not a big deal even IMHO. A split second pause (or 2 sec...not sure how long these pauses are).
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post #3003 of 8197
8/14/09 at 6:33am
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did you try playing a different BD copy of the same movie?
was this a brand new disc?
could be a problem with the specific disc itself.

It takes 2 weeks to get another copy from o/s. Also, I don't want to pay another postage etc for it. (read, expensive).
I was hoping that other people could tell their story about the movie.
As I said, mine is a brand new disc that is clean.

Yes, the disc has something wrong with it but only wrong because the BD80 on 24p gets upset by it. No other player gets upset by it nor does the BD80 at 60p.
My point is that the BD80 at 24p IS getting upset pauses that are precisely what everyone is seeing. Without this disc it is a VERY rare occurrance.
I'm really hoping that others in US who have easier access to another of this movie to provide more samples of information.
I've provided a reason. I'm hoping to get some yays or nays from across the pacific. Nobody else here in Oz has this movie and I'm not going to go to the expense of buying another. International BD buying is exxy.
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post #3004 of 8197
8/14/09 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by BDD888 View Post

I've only played 3 BD's on my 60. No freezes. I played Iron Man, Black Rain and Rush Hour 3. Not a lot of titles but at least I haven't run into the problem yet. Not sure why there have been so many reports of this with Panasonic models (a few other brands and specific models too).

I know the new Oppo BD player doesn't have this issue. Or not that I've read yet in threads. But I have no complaints so far with the 60. But if I do buy a flatscreen for my bedroom then I'll buy the Oppo. Move my 60 to my bedroom.

Besides, a "freeze" is like a "layer change", in that the machine doesn't "lock up". Not a big deal even IMHO. A split second pause (or 2 sec...not sure how long these pauses are).

Did you have your player set to film mode (24p)?
I'm theorising that the player set to 24p is what is causing the pauses .
Even better if you have the movie Vanishing Point with player set to 24p.
Any other movie and these pauses are a very rare random ocurrance.
Since upgrading to v1.9 I've only had 1 pause on another movie and 2 pauses on 60i extras. That's >15 hours. (Except for VP as I say. VP is definite pause city).

I really need someone else to play VP with player set to 24p and report back.
This isn't to say that all VP discs have the same quirk with our player but it would be nice to have that info.
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post #3005 of 8197
8/14/09 at 6:54am
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Posted by Moggy: I found 24p setting in player to be the culrit for pauses. See previous post on p99.
Would those who get pauses please try to determine whether the player was in 24p (film mode).
It would be nice to at least verify (or debunk) this facet.

For me, and I am sure, some others, this is non-applicable. My TV only does 1080i, and I have never set my player to 24p. Yet, I have the freezes nonetheless. It may be a factor in you Vanishing Point disc, though.

Next?
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post #3006 of 8197
8/14/09 at 6:55am
Alas, my theory is the reverse, now past 100 hours of play the freeze occurred mostly with the 'extras' material on various BD, and it was consistent until I played The Shining. I got a pause for about 5 seconds in the main movie and I couldn't repeat it on the same track.

The 'extras' material on many BD disks are not shot at 24p but my BD60 is set for that. The BD60 recognizes the frame rate and plays the clips not in 24p mode.

I have 24p on continuously and it has given me no trouble until I played the Shining yesterday; it also occurred once when I played Troy.

So my tally is about 9 freezes in 106 hours of play.





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Did you have your player set to film mode (24p)?
I'm theorising that the player set to 24p is what is causing the pauses .
Even better if you have the movie Vanishing Point with player set to 24p.
Any other movie and these pauses are a very rare random ocurrance.
Since upgrading to v1.9 I've only had 1 pause on another movie and 2 pauses on 60i extras. That's >15 hours. (Except for VP as I say. VP is definite pause city).

I really need someone else to play VP with player set to 24p and report back.
This isn't to say that all VP discs have the same quirk with our player but it would be nice to have that info.
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post #3007 of 8197
8/14/09 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by JJHXBR View Post

This is a noble idea, but unless you have a direct inside connection to a Panasonic engineer who worked on the design of this player, you are going to have to deal with a Panasonic customer support agent.
You might be able to get a sympathetic person who will listen to your issue and actually document it, but whether it actually reaches an engineer who worked on the design is questionable and IMO, highly unlikely.
I could be completely wrong and maybe Panasonic engineers are really trying to work on this problem, but I certainly wouldn't bet money on it.
In all honesty I don't think it is going to happen until there are massive calls of random freezing flooding the support department.
Since this is still only isolated incidents and completely random, I believe it's presently not a big issue for Panasonic.

M feeling, having worked in the electronics industry, is that the design engineers are very aware of the problem and have observed a number of "random freezes" in the lab. I also speculate that they know what the solution is. If it is just a firmware change, we should be seeing it soon. If it requires hardware modification at a service center, they will probably resist unless, as you say, the complaints become massive.
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post #3008 of 8197
8/14/09 at 7:31am
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M feeling, having worked in the electronics industry, is that the design engineers are very aware of the problem and have observed a number of "random freezes" in the lab. I also speculate that they know what the solution is. If it is just a firmware change, we should be seeing it soon. If it requires hardware modification at a service center, they will probably resist unless, as you say, the complaints become massive.

Interesting theory as I am now seeing our 60 as a closeout item at a few retailers, including J&R...wonder if a replacement unit is in the works...
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post #3009 of 8197
8/14/09 at 7:52am
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Interesting theory as I am now seeing our 60 as a closeout item at a few retailers, including J&R...wonder if a replacement unit is in the works...


That's truly interesting. So far, I've only found J&R selling it as a 'closeout' although the price is unchanged [ and its cheaper at Amazon by $6].
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post #3010 of 8197
8/14/09 at 7:52am
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Interesting theory as I am now seeing our 60 as a closeout item at a few retailers, including J&R...wonder if a replacement unit is in the works...

I think the 60/80 were released in March. Replacement models coming out now would be unprecedented.
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post #3011 of 8197
8/14/09 at 8:05am
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I think the 60/80 were released in March. Replacement models coming out now would be unprecedented.

I think the bd35 also lasted for just few months.
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post #3012 of 8197
8/14/09 at 8:42am
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I think the bd35 also lasted for just few months.

I stand corrected then. If it was Oct - March to get from the bd35 to the bd60, maybe there will be new models coming out this fall.
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post #3013 of 8197
8/14/09 at 3:09pm
Seems a little suspect to release a model only to replace it 6 months later. The 35 was a good, stable model from the reviews. I know they added viera cast and usb with the 60, but maybe the problems could have been avoided if they kept the major chipsets of the 35.
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post #3014 of 8197
8/14/09 at 3:24pm
For BD-Live...can we just stick a memory stick into the USB port? Or do we have to buy a SD card?
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post #3015 of 8197
8/14/09 at 4:19pm
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I think the bd35 also lasted for just few months.

Yep, 10/08-1/09. At least Panasonic updates their firmware regularly.
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post #3016 of 8197
8/14/09 at 6:03pm
Remember I said I had played 3 BD's and not noticed any freezes? Well, I played Iron Man again. Must have skipped over certain sections before and forgot I did. Noticed my first freeze with my BD60. It was in the cave when Stark and his Afghani savior are confronted. I think the freeze lasted 5-10 seconds. Then continued. Not a big thing in my book. But would have been nicer if I didn't have the interruption. Has any one else spotted the freeze here in Iron Man?

But one day I will want a player without any freezing (e.g. Oppo). So unless Panasonic comes out with a fix before I decide to upgrade...(not in any hurry but is in the back of my mind)...no reason why the 60/80 should have any freeze.
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post #3017 of 8197
8/14/09 at 6:51pm
BDD888: Were you able to duplicate the freeze with Iron Man? If so, then you did not experience the "random freeze". The random freeze can happen on any disc. If you experienced the true "random freeze", then it is quite possible that when you first played Iron Man there were no freezes.

The "random freeze" is not repeatable. You can get a freeze, then rewind to that spot and hit play and it will not repeat the freeze.
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post #3018 of 8197
8/14/09 at 9:49pm
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For BD-Live...can we just stick a memory stick into the USB port? Or do we have to buy a SD card?

SD card only.
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post #3019 of 8197
8/14/09 at 10:02pm
18B,

Will test for it when I wake up. About to hit the sack. But as I said when I first played IM I forgot that I had skipped over some chapters. So I might have missed this freeze. Random or not. But the fact is the 60/80 are known for this. So I was expecting it when I bought my 60. It was cheap.

SD only? Ok. Oh well. They are cheap any how.

They recommend at least 1GB SD cards. Would I be wasting my money if I bought a 4GB card? More space is usually better. And has any one tried using a 4GB SD card with a BD60? Will it recognize it?
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post #3020 of 8197
8/14/09 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by BDD888 View Post

18B,

Will test for it when I wake up. About to hit the sack. But as I said when I first played IM I forgot that I had skipped over some chapters. So I might have missed this freeze. Random or not. But the fact is the 60/80 are known for this. So I was expecting it when I bought my 60. It was cheap.

SD only? Ok. Oh well. They are cheap any how.

They recommend at least 1GB SD cards. Would I be wasting my money if I bought a 4GB card? More space is usually better. And has any one tried using a 4GB SD card with a BD60? Will it recognize it?

Mine is a 4GB. I think I paid like 12 bucks for it.
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post #3021 of 8197
8/15/09 at 12:03am
I've been watching everything including DVDs at 24p on our Samsung B560 plasma, which has CinemaSmooth, the feature that plays 24p material at 96 Hz.

My only "problem" with the BD60 is that I have to pull up the display menu every time to change the DVD video output to 24p. The setting doesn't stick and is only good on a per-DVD basis. With BDs, it's automatic, of course.

Is there a way to set this as a DVD output default? (I bet this has been asked... apologies if so.)
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post #3022 of 8197
8/15/09 at 6:40am
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I've been watching everything including DVDs at 24p on our Samsung B560 plasma, which has CinemaSmooth, the feature that plays 24p material at 96 Hz.

My only "problem" with the BD60 is that I have to pull up the display menu every time to change the DVD video output to 24p. The setting doesn't stick and is only good on a per-DVD basis. With BDs, it's automatic, of course.

Is there a way to set this as a DVD output default? (I bet this has been asked... apologies if so.)

Yes. It has been asked. No, it has to be set for every DVD. Sorry. That is the way it was designed.

S~
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post #3023 of 8197
8/15/09 at 6:43am
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They recommend at least 1GB SD cards. Would I be wasting my money if I bought a 4GB card? More space is usually better. And has any one tried using a 4GB SD card with a BD60? Will it recognize it?

It should support up to 32GB cards, according to the manual. I use a 16GB card in my BD60 for AVCHD videos and it works fine. The only catch is that files are limited to 4GB because of the FAT32 file system. If you're just using the card for standard BD Live functions 1GB or 2GB should be plenty.
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post #3024 of 8197
8/15/09 at 7:04am
Ok thanks Wymann. Guess I'll just go pickup a 2GB card.

On another topic...this is for any one...how do I get my KURO 141 (or my 60) to play 4:3 material without gray colored vertical bars? I asked this on the "official KURO 9G owners.." forum. A guy called Progprog is trying to help me out. But so far we're not there yet.

He told me to turn off "Auto Size" on my KURO. Then set the source to display 4:3 without stretch. Which is only when set to "16:9" correct? The other 3 modes I tried stretch 4:3 material. And he wants me to set my KURO to "full" or "dot by dot" (didn't see either). I only see "wide zoom" but that is under the Auto Size menu.

Ideas??
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post #3025 of 8197
8/15/09 at 7:09am
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Ok thanks Wymann. Guess I'll just go pickup a 2GB card.

On another topic...this is for any one...how do I get my KURO 141 (or my 60) to play 4:3 material without gray colored vertical bars? I asked this on the "official KURO 9G owners.." forum. A guy called Progprog is trying to help me out. But so far we're not there yet.

He told me to turn off "Auto Size" on my KURO. Then set the source to display 4:3 without stretch. Which is only when set to "16:9" correct? The other 3 modes I tried stretch 4:3 material. And he wants me to set my KURO to "full" or "dot by dot" (didn't see either). I only see "wide zoom" but that is under the Auto Size menu.

Ideas??

Turn off the screen saver in the player.

S~
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post #3026 of 8197
8/15/09 at 7:44am
Teachsac,

Thanks man. Was that simple.
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post #3027 of 8197
8/15/09 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Yes. It has been asked. No, it has to be set for every DVD. Sorry. That is the way it was designed.

S~

Thanks, I was afraid it was that. Wish it were something they could change in the firmware though. Other than that, I really am enjoying this player. No freezes yet....
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post #3028 of 8197
8/15/09 at 11:08am
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Unfortunately, nope. I tried setting up a playlist of clips on my HF100 but it still didn't show up on the BD60 list. I'm guessing this functionality is specifically tied to the Panasonic line of camcorders and other mfrs are just going to be SOL.

But I have to say, even without the playlist just being able to pop in the SDHC card and play the video directly is sweet! I don't miss tape at all. Good riddance! And the quality this little 600-clam unit produces at 1080p/17Mbps is simply stunning even on my 104" screen from my RS1x.

The good news is that you can still use the chapter skip to forward to the next clip, and I was also pleased to see that the clips play seamlessly despite the warning in the user guide that there can be a small delay between them considered "normal". Before I archive my footage I plan to use a utility to join relevant clips together into a single large clip (which requires no transcoding so its pretty quick) so if the folks at Tivo ever enable their software to play AVCHD natively I'll have a nicely organized video library to stream over the network.

Using multiAVCHD, I have successfully created a AVCHD folder that will show a playlist of Canon HF10-100 clips when played on a Panasonic BD60. Using multiAVCHD, I selected ADD Video Files, then added each file. Click START then select Viera NTSC. This will create a AVCHD folder that you can move into the PRIVATE folder on your SD card. The only issue I see is that I lost all my original dates and times for each video.

It appears that the Panasonic cameras write a playlist to the card, which the Panasonic blueray players then read as their playlist of clips. The Canon cameras write only 1 playlist file, which is the only clip you will see if you put in a native Canon SD card into a Panasonic BD series player. It is located in the Playlist folder.

It's interesting that the newer Panasonic Vierra plasmas have no problems reading and displaying all the clips from a native Canon HF10-100 card.

PM me if you have any other suggestions on getting the Canon HF10-100 cards compatible with the Panasonic BD series blueray players.
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post #3029 of 8197
8/15/09 at 11:43am
Got a question about Amazon video-on-demand on BD80: How do I enable caption? Thanks.
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post #3030 of 8197
8/15/09 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Yes. It has been asked. No, it has to be set for every DVD. Sorry. That is the way it was designed.

S~

I was bummed about this, too, but after watching a number of DVDs using the 24p option, I noticed some odd motion when it was enabled and think you're better off letting it play without the 24p setting. If you put in a movie with people walking around, you'll see - it's like it seems a bit sped up for a split second and then it's normal. I've been watching BDs on my TV at 24p for a few years and worked as a projectionist for nearly a decade, so I'm not talking about the usual "getting used to 24fps thing" here. The 24 setting just isn't natural and the 3/2 pulldown works just fine.
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