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post #6481 of 8243
I tried to do the chapter/scene deal, did not work for me....good thing Blockbuster is close. Sometimes in those moments of pure frustration I forget about AVS...mental note to self! However, since I was bitstreaming from the player, would the Onkyo 707 be at fault as well? Guess I better check on firmware upgrade on it as well....
post #6482 of 8243
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Originally Posted by jamoon79 View Post

I tried to do the chapter/scene deal, did not work for me....good thing Blockbuster is close. Sometimes in those moments of pure frustration I forget about AVS...mental note to self! However, since I was bitstreaming from the player, would the Onkyo 707 be at fault as well? Guess I better check on firmware upgrade on it as well....

I doubt it, seems a lot of people here are having trouble with the title. I haven't checked the Blu-ray software thread to see if other players are having a problem with IG, but the Panny 60/80's are. I'm waiting for Netflix on this title and it is currently in a "very long wait" status.

Glad your Blockbuster was close.
post #6483 of 8243
with IG.. just go and play from the chapter list. should work fine.

Jacob
post #6484 of 8243
Hi all. I've got a few basic audio questions.

If a Blu-ray player (using HDMI) sends video to the TV and audio to the receiver and speakers, why does the receiver need to be connected to the TV? And would a Toslink digital optical cable connected to a TV provide just as good sound as an HDMI connection?

And another: Should any of a receiver's outputs be connected to a Blu-ray DVD or DVD player or is Blu-ray to receiver the best way? Would connecting it both ways make any difference? Thanks a bunch.
post #6485 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Seanster View Post

Hi all. I've got a few basic audio questions.

If a Blu-ray player (using HDMI) sends video to the TV and audio to the receiver and speakers, why does the receiver need to be connected to the TV?

There is only one HDMI connection on the Blu-ray player. The receiver acts as a HDMI repeater. If your player has two HDMI connections then one can go to the TV and one to the receiver with no connection between the receiver and TV

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And would a Toslink digital optical cable connected to a TV provide just as good sound as an HDMI connection?

No. If you meant receiver instead of TV, Toslink cannot support hi resolution audio. However, it will still be better sound than regular DVD's. If you meant TV, what TV has a Toslink input?

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And another: Should any of a receiver's outputs be connected to a Blu-ray DVD or DVD player or is Blu-ray to receiver the best way? Would connecting it both ways make any difference? Thanks a bunch.

What blu-ray player has inputs? You need to sit and think about that one a little more, me thinks you just been sittin.
post #6486 of 8243
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And would a Toslink digital optical cable connected to a TV provide just as good sound as an HDMI connection?

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No. If you meant receiver instead of TV, Toslink cannot support hi resolution audio. However, it will still be better sound than regular DVD's. If you meant TV, what TV has a Toslink input?

For that question I meant to write connecting a receiver to a TV using a digital optical cable.
post #6487 of 8243
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Originally Posted by moxie1617 View Post

There is only one HDMI connection on the Blu-ray player. The receiver acts as a HDMI repeater. If your player has two HDMI connections then one can go to the TV and one to the receiver with no connection between the receiver and TV

No. If you meant receiver instead of TV, Toslink cannot support hi resolution audio. However, it will still be better sound than regular DVD's. If you meant TV, what TV has a Toslink input?

What blu-ray player has inputs? You need to sit and think about that one a little more, me thinks you just been sittin.

Heh I think that's my Lyrica talking. Thanks for the help, Moxie.
post #6488 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Seanster View Post

For that question I meant to write connecting a receiver to a TV using a digital optical cable.

I don't know of any TV's with a digital optical input. I know some receivers have Digital Optical Outs, but I have no clue what they would connect to.
post #6489 of 8243
So is it safe to say that only HDMI cables supports high-end sound and video?
post #6490 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Seanster View Post

So is it safe to say that only HDMI cables supports high-end sound and video?

Yes, but you can also get high end video with component cables(Red, Blue, Green). Currently Blu-ray will support 1080i using component cables, but there is talk that that will be stopped.
post #6491 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Seanster View Post

So is it safe to say that only HDMI cables supports high-end sound and video?

...I think I had a question early today that might relate and I got very good answers to it. Check out posts #'s 2882 through my last post 2903.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...738511&page=97
post #6492 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Mac11700 View Post

Tried doing that..no signal is found..Bummer..I'm not complaining about the HDMI picture quality..because it is very good,however I wanted to see how well this one would look as opposed to my 980 Oppo.

Something is wrong. The player outputs video over component. If you turn off HDMI video, you can select the output resolution. If you leave HDMI video on, the component output is limited to 480i. See p34 of the manual.
post #6493 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Seanster View Post

So is it safe to say that only HDMI cables supports high-end sound and video?

Yes. HDMI is the only way to get both with a single connection.

But, you can get HD video using component video cables.

And you can get high resolution audio using six (or eight) analog audio cables if your player does the decoding and the digital-analog conversion.
post #6494 of 8243
Hi all - I am looking to replace my old Sony DVD with a new upconverter (Yamaha S1800, Pioneer DV-420, etc) - anything <$100.

I want to get something that upscales better than my PS3, which I would continue to use for BluRay.

I notice that the Panny BD60 is only a few bucks more than the SD upconverters I mentioned?

Does the BD60 do an equally good or better job in upconverting? Also note I have a Samsung DLP and the PS3 does lots of macroblocking that I'd like to avoid. Does that mean I need to avoid any Faroudja -based player (like the Yamaha?)

All advice appreciated - thanks
post #6495 of 8243
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Originally Posted by jamoon79 View Post

I finally rented "Inglorios Bastards" yesterday but my bd60 refused to play past the titles section....the first part although very slow to load, played fine but when I pressed the "play movie" button it shows the rating box and then goes blank, the actual show never starts....??? Off to Blockbuster I go thinking the dics was bad...same result with the next disc as well. It plays everthing else perfect....not one problem...I tried decoding at the player and sending PCM to the 707, no change. Firmware problem?

I had a bad I.B. bluray from Amazon, and returned it. This disc also failed to play in my brother's S350, and a poster at another forum where I am a member also had to return his copy (S350). For all of us, the serious playback problem didn't happen until the
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shootout in the tavern, about halfway through the movie.


During my research, I received an interesting response in the software forum here at AVS. Seems that Universal has a pretty bad rep for QC.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=151
post #6496 of 8243
Hey fellow Panny owners. I have a quick and easy question regarding these players.

I bought the BD60 for my living room back in October, and it's so far been trouble free. The only question I have, is what, if any, issues or problems are these players having?

Like I said, mine's been perfect, and when I bought it, I did so thinking that these were/are nice players. I am just curious as to the quality, because I returned a Samsung 1590 (a well documented POS player) to purchase the BD60, and I don't feel like reading 130 pages of posts about firmware updates and picture settings to find the simple answers I'm looking for. Thanks.
post #6497 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

CacHooka Man,

Sounds like your video's aspect ratio is not up to standard. AVCHD standard only allows two aspect ratios: 4:3 for 480p and 16:9. A lot of mkvs are cropped to 2.35:1. You have to use a tool called uncropMKV to convert the video back to proper aspect ratio.

i thought the same thing but i used multiAVCHD and uncropMKV to transcode it into 16:9 ratio and its still like that. when i play the video on my computer it works fine and fills my 16:9 screen completely. maybe i have to convert it to 1280x720 or 1920x1080 instead of 720x480?
post #6498 of 8243
Yeah, somehow Panny is really picky on 720x480 format (more so than 720p or 1080i) from my experience.
post #6499 of 8243
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Something is wrong. The player outputs video over component. If you turn off HDMI video, you can select the output resolution. If you leave HDMI video on, the component output is limited to 480i. See p34 of the manual.

I did that..I removed the cables and turned off all HDMI both in the player and in the Integra..no signal was found.I powered both down and brought them both back up..and it still didn't work.

My wife was getting aggravated and was wanting to watch a movie..so I hooked the hdmi cables back up and made the changes to everything..and popped in my Directors cut of Tombstone for her to watch..I made 1 setting change in addition on the 60..I set the black level on enhanced..I thought someone had swapped my Samsung 650 out with a top end Kuro..It was remarkable to say the least..She asked me when did we get Tombstone in BR..and I said we didn't yet..she said then leave it alone and sit down and leave it alone.. I got to say that on this film the blacks were extremely black and the detail was all there..the way they are supposed to look..no slight gray hue as what there normally is when watching this on my Oppo BD-980...Colors were fantastic not like in torch mode..but extremely vivid and rich.This so far in over a year has been the best I've seen on this player since I've put it in my system...so I am a little hesitant to do any thing else to it.

So,I'm pretty happy with it at the moment and am going to check a couple more dvd's and see if it looks as good..or was a fluke..In all I can't really complain if the component section isn't working the way it should..in all honesty I don't use it..if only the load times were better with this player..it would be one of the best I've seen so far..I just wanted to do an A/B comparison with the Reon in the Integra...I'll give them a call later on today and see what they say..

Thanks for your help

Mac
post #6500 of 8243
Enhanced Black level introduces slight black crush to give you fake sense of deep black. I wouldn't do it. Calibrate your TV instead.
post #6501 of 8243
wait wait wait.. it plays .mkvs?

i know it plays AVCHD... but i dunno what extension is used, the .m2t?
post #6502 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Enhanced Black level introduces slight black crush to give you fake sense of deep black. I wouldn't do it. Calibrate your TV instead.

It doesn't look bad to me at all..and my set is already calibrated.When I get UMR here this coming spring/summer...I'll let him work his majik on it like he did my SXRD-XBR 1&2..I trust his calibration more than mine

Mac
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Originally Posted by JediFonger View Post

wait wait wait.. it plays .mkvs?

i know it plays AVCHD... but i dunno what extension is used, the .m2t?

It doesn't play mkvs. You have to convert mkvs into AVCHD discs.
post #6504 of 8243
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Originally Posted by -Fluffy65- View Post

Hey fellow Panny owners. I have a quick and easy question regarding these players.

I bought the BD60 for my living room back in October, and it's so far been trouble free. The only question I have, is what, if any, issues or problems are these players having?

None that I am aware of. There is a reason I've been touting Pana players for a long time, and am on my second. What did I do with my first? Gave it as a gift, and the recipient is still very happy.

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Enhanced Black level introduces slight black crush to give you fake sense of deep black. I wouldn't do it. Calibrate your TV instead.

+1. One may improve absolute blacks, but at the expense of shadow detail.

I would pay for a pro cal, if my PJ didn't need one every couple hundred hours. However, even the affordable and new AVFoundry VideoEQ + EyeOnePro+ Calman software still will come out to more than what my PJ is worth.

One day I will have a PJ with onboard CMS.
post #6505 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Mac11700 View Post

It doesn't look bad to me at all..and my set is already calibrated.When I get UMR here this coming spring/summer...I'll let him work his majik on it like he did my SXRD-XBR 1&2..I trust his calibration more than mine

Mac

Try a calibration disc on your player and you will know how much dark detail you lost.

Calibration should be done from the source to the TV for the entire chain. Even though your TV may be properly calibrated, when you change your player settings like that, you voided the calibration.

I once was in the same situation as you. When I connected my PC to my Pansonic LCD RPTV, I tought the blacks are really really good playing from the PC until I found out Panny TVs accept video range only and clipping everything below 16 and my PC is output PC levels. All dark and bright levels are clipped.
post #6506 of 8243
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Originally Posted by jostenmeat View Post

This topic was recently discussed in this thread. Are you SURE that the native rez of your TV is 1080i, or are you instead mistakenly talking about the highest rez that can be accepted at the input. There is a difference. For instance, there were a few years ago "1080p" TVs that simply could not accept 1080p inputs, but only 1080i, with which the display then deinterlaced to display 1080p.

If your Pioneer is a plasma, I don't think they ever made one that had native rez of 1080i, and the only mftr that I think that made 1080i displays with plasma was Hitachi.

If it is a plasma, and the the native rez is 768p, then leave your BDP at 1080p, and let the display do the downscaling. (Don't do 720 in this case, for then you will have 2 stages of scaling). Chris Boylan was talking about that in this thread already.

So, for future reference, and so that you may save us from typing more than we need to, always list the model number of anything you are talking about, thanks, and good luck.

I believe the native resolution is 1080I, that is why I thought I might get a better picture going to 720P
post #6507 of 8243
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

I believe the native resolution is 1080I, that is why I thought I might get a better picture going to 720P

The only TV that can natively display 1080i is CRT. Some Hitachi are designed to be 1080i but I don't believe it is natively 1080i but rather some smart algorithms inside.

In order to do 1080i natively, the display has to be able to shift pixels for half line every other frame. This can't happen with todays fixed-pixel HDTVs like LCD TV and Plasmas.

But often a lot TV makers call their 1366x768 res TVs 1080i to make it sounds like its better and somehow close to 1080p. But these days they all call this type of TV 720p.

If your TV does have 1366x768 resolution, you may get better details by sending 1080i and let TV scale down to its native resolution. Some may even capable of receiving 1080p signal.
post #6508 of 8243
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

I believe the native resolution is 1080I, that is why I thought I might get a better picture going to 720P

If you reread the last line of my post you quoted, and follow the advice, I bet Foxbat, I, or someone else can better help you.

Instead of the back and forth over however many days, you would have received the best advice from the get-go.
post #6509 of 8243
I hope people will not think this is adumb question.
My BD-60 is in another room from my therenet connection.
Could I just plug the BD-60 to the back of my router with an ethernet cable and it will update automatically or do I need a screen to view what is going on and navigate the menu. I guess what i mean is if i just plug it into the router, will it just auomatically update on it's own?
post #6510 of 8243
IIRC, you need to confirm the upgrade. Hence you may need a screen to display the messages.
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