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post #8041 of 8243
So I got the dreaded No Disc error last night. Played Capt. America BD just fine then went to put in Super 8 and it failed to read the disc. Tried another BD for the heck of it and same error. Bought exactly 2 years ago w/ a BF deal. So is this thing toast or what? Leave it alone and it might work again? Firmware is updated.
post #8042 of 8243
Mine is problem free player, firmware not updated since factory. Don't fix what ain't broke, BD60.
post #8043 of 8243
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

I was finally able to get Avatar (non-3D) to play on my BD80.

Avatar Extended Blu-Ray Collector's Edition (non-3D)

I opened and tried mine last night ... it finally played fine but ...

The BD-60 was already on and booted up. Loaded the disc. It took about a minute to load each of the 3 different copyright warning or ratings screens. I'm used to how long regular discs take to load the various segments (on the way to the main menu) and this disc look much longer than I have ever seen before.

I think there is some pretty extreme copy protection on this disc, and I kinda wonder if it was checking online for some kind of authorization?

It took a good 3 minutes to get to the main menu (most of the time looking at a black screen. No previews (nice and classy). However once it started playing, looked and sounded awesome on the new Epson 8350 projector.
post #8044 of 8243
Here's a weird one.

I have 14 Warner Home Video Blu-Ray titles, 11 of which have no problems playing. However, the latest 3 titles I purchased through Amazon (Red Planet, Forbidden Planet, and The Neverending Story), all have the same audio problem. But it's a pretty strange audio problem.

Here's the deal. When I load the problem Blu-Rays, the initial program material audio (e.g., "Warner Home Video" logo, previews, and the background music for selecting "Play", "Languages", "Extras", etc.) is fine. However, when the movie actually starts, there is a high-pitched static type sound (almost like very fast Morse code, or satellite telemetry sounds) in the audio. Interestingly, if I go fast forward one notch (so you can still hear the slightly faster audio), the audio is crystal clear. I also played around with my HDTV speakers and home theater amp/speakers, and I eliminated any possibility that the problem was associated with my audio equipment.

I then did a search on the Net and didn't come up with anything about people having problems with Warner Home Video Blu-Ray audio, so I don't know what the deal is. Does anyone have any ideas of what is happening, or do you think I just got a bad batch of Blu-Rays from Warner & Amazon?
post #8045 of 8243
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Originally Posted by DECJ View Post

Here's a weird one.

I have 14 Warner Home Video Blu-Ray titles, 11 of which have no problems playing. However, the latest 3 titles I purchased through Amazon (Red Planet, Forbidden Planet, and The Neverending Story), all have the same audio problem. But it's a pretty strange audio problem.

Here's the deal. When I load the problem Blu-Rays, the initial program material audio (e.g., "Warner Home Video" logo, previews, and the background music for selecting "Play", "Languages", "Extras", etc.) is fine. However, when the movie actually starts, there is a high-pitched static type sound (almost like very fast Morse code, or satellite telemetry sounds) in the audio. Interestingly, if I go fast forward one notch (so you can still hear the slightly faster audio), the audio is crystal clear. I also played around with my HDTV speakers and home theater amp/speakers, and I eliminated any possibility that the problem was associated with my audio equipment.

I then did a search on the Net and didn't come up with anything about people having problems with Warner Home Video Blu-Ray audio, so I don't know what the deal is. Does anyone have any ideas of what is happening, or do you think I just got a bad batch of Blu-Rays from Warner & Amazon?

When the main movie starts, the audio probably switches to some lossless format, and the data rate is too high to be handled by some later part of the audio chain (receiver? TV?). When you select faster playback, the player would have to calculate lossy audio on the fly. Can you select an alternative lossy audio track to see if that helps? You could even try a different HDMI cable, but I doubt that a cable is likely to be your problem.
post #8046 of 8243
Upgrade the firmware in your amp (DTS-MA had some issues in some amps). While you're at it, upgrade the firmware in your player as well.

Mike
post #8047 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Michael Sargent View Post

Upgrade the firmware in your amp (DTS-MA had some issues in some amps). While you're at it, upgrade the firmware in your player as well.

Mike,

I was being a bit liberal with referring to my current amp in a "home theater" context. It's actually just an old school stereo amp in my rudimentary 2.1 system. (I do have a new Onkyo TX-NR807 AVR, but I haven't put that into operation yet).

And I should have mentioned it, but as part of my trouble-shooting, I confirmed that I already had the latest firmware version in my player.

Don
post #8048 of 8243
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Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post

When the main movie starts, the audio probably switches to some lossless format, and the data rate is too high to be handled by some later part of the audio chain (receiver? TV?). When you select faster playback, the player would have to calculate lossy audio on the fly. Can you select an alternative lossy audio track to see if that helps? You could even try a different HDMI cable, but I doubt that a cable is likely to be your problem.

I don't think it's my HDMI cables either.

The weird thing is that I can play almost any Blu-Ray in my modest collection (45 titles) with no problems, including the majority of the Warner Home Video Blu-Rays I have (i.e., 11 good versus 3 "bad" for the latter).

In terms of your suggestion to select an alternative audio track, I'll give that a shot to see if I get any other results.

Thanks
post #8049 of 8243
It looks like those movies don't have a alternative English audio to switch to,I'ts all dts master or another language. I've come across some blu-rays with the same issue "Horton hears a who"is one of them. The only work around
I found is to set your player audio output to pcm
post #8050 of 8243
A free upgrade? OK. I don't need it, but I might as well get it in case it comes in handy in the future.

So, I order and it shows up as available. I start the upgrade and it goes into an infinite loop of "retry" "updating" "retry"

Denon has me do a network reset. Great. Still doesn't work, but now I've lost my settings.

But I have saved my settings. I'm so smart . But wait..., it won't work. It's stuck on loading... I even created a new user to have a blank copy of Firefox running. OK, I'll bend and try starting FF in Safe Mode. Wah-lah! It works!!!

Now all I have to do is figure out when I want to disconnect my setup to take it down to the Service Center to get it upgraded. What fun
post #8051 of 8243
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Originally Posted by sfarias View Post

It looks like those movies don't have a alternative English audio to switch to,I'ts all dts master or another language. I've come across some blu-rays with the same issue "Horton hears a who"is one of them. The only work around
I found is to set your player audio output to pcm

Yep, you're right. There are no other audio choices other than alternate languages. Interestingly, I played Red Planet in French, German, and Italian, and the offending sound went away. I also played The Neverending Story in a couple of other languages, and again, the offending sound went away. Going back to English unfortunately brought the offending sound back again.

Based on your suggestion, I then set my audio out to PCM, but the sound was still there. I went in a layer deeper and changed everything from Bitstream to PCM, but the offending sound was still there. I also played with a couple of other audio functions, but nothing got rid of the sound.

Anyway, I am getting a replacement Red Planet Blu-Ray from Amazon, so I am going to give that a shot when I receive it. Beyond that, it is still a mystery to me as to what is specifically causing this odd audio problem.
post #8052 of 8243
DECJ,

How do you have your BD60 connected to your receiver? If you use optical out, you might be able to force the BD60 to send a lossy format instead?
post #8053 of 8243
As I mentioned above, I currently have a pretty rudimentary system. An HDMI cord goes from the HDMI AV Out on my Panasonic DMP-BD70V player (which has basically the same Blu-Ray section as a BD-60 player) to the HDMI-3 input on my Vizio SV421XVT HDTV. Then I go with RCA type audio cables from the audio outputs of the Vizio to a Nakamichi CA-7A pre-amp and then into a Nakamichi PA-7AII power amp and on to ProAc Super Tower R-L speakers and a ProAc ER-1 subwoofer. I can listen to the audio either solely through the HDTV speakers, solely through my 2.1 stereo system, or both.

I do have a new Onkyo TX-NR807 AVR with Boston Acoustics center & satellite speakers for a 7.1 home theater system which I plan to install over the winter, but for now, I just have a pretty old school 2.1 system. That said, I have had no problems with the audio of 43 out of 45 of my Blu-Rays, including plenty of other Warner Home Video Blu-Rays, so I don't know what is going on with the three problem titles.
post #8054 of 8243
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Originally Posted by DECJ View Post

As I mentioned above, I currently have a pretty rudimentary system. An HDMI cord goes from the HDMI AV Out on my Panasonic DMP-BD70V player (which has basically the same Blu-Ray section as a BD-60 player) to the HDMI-3 input on my Vizio SV421XVT HDTV. Then I go with RCA type audio cables from the audio outputs of the Vizio to a Nakamichi CA-7A pre-amp and then into a Nakamichi PA-7AII power amp and on to ProAc Super Tower R-L speakers and a ProAc ER-1 subwoofer. I can listen to the audio either solely through the HDTV speakers, solely through my 2.1 stereo system, or both.

I do have a new Onkyo TX-NR807 AVR with Boston Acoustics center & satellite speakers for a 7.1 home theater system which I plan to install over the winter, but for now, I just have a pretty old school 2.1 system. That said, I have had no problems with the audio of 43 out of 45 of my Blu-Rays, including plenty of other Warner Home Video Blu-Rays, so I don't know what is going on with the three problem titles.

You have a great audio system. And it still sounds to me like the Panasonic is sending the Vizio some audio format that it just can't handle. OTOH, it's hard to imagine that Forbidden Planet (1956) has an audio track that is too advanced. Have they remastered it recently?
post #8055 of 8243
I don't know if the audio was remastered in some way during the Blu-Ray process for Forbidden Planet, but it is listed as DTS-HD Master Audio English 5.1 (and I do see now that in foreign languages, it is in Dolby Digital, which maybe explains why those soundtracks come through crystal clear).

However, while all three problem Blu-Ray soundtracks are in DTS-HD Master Audio English 5.1, I have no problem with the audio of Inception, The Book of Eli, or Clash of the Titans ... which are also Warner Home Video Blu-Ray titles also in DTS-HD Master Audio English 5.1.
post #8056 of 8243
I have a hunch it has something to do with the DTS-HD audio. I think it would be an interesting experiment to run rca cables directly from the bd player to the pre-amp.
post #8057 of 8243
I agree. I will run the RCA cables direct from the audio outputs of my player to my stereo set up tonight and see what I get when I try playing the three problem Blu-Rays. If the soundtracks come through clear, then it would definitely implicate our Vizio HDTV as the culprit.
post #8058 of 8243
Quote:
Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post

You have a great audio system. And it still sounds to me like the Panasonic is sending the Vizio some audio format that it just can't handle. OTOH, it's hard to imagine that Forbidden Planet (1956) has an audio track that is too advanced. Have they remastered it recently?

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Originally Posted by erikstormtrooper View Post

I have a hunch it has something to do with the DTS-HD audio. I think it would be an interesting experiment to run rca cables directly from the bd player to the pre-amp.

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Originally Posted by DECJ View Post

I agree. I will run the RCA cables direct from the audio outputs of my player to my stereo set up tonight and see what I get when I try playing the three problem Blu-Rays. If the soundtracks come through clear, then it would definitely implicate our Vizio HDTV as the culprit.

I routed a pair of RCA cables direct from the audio outputs of my player to my stereo set up and the same offending sound was still there when I played Red Planet, so that effectively eliminates my Vizio HDTV as the culprit. For whatever reason, it's still pointing to the three Warner Home Video Blu-Rays (although what is different with them as compared to my other Warner Home Video Blu-Rays with a similar DTS-HD Master Audio English 5.1 soundtrack is beyond me).

I will be getting the replacement Red Planet Blu-Ray next Tuesday, so I'll give that a shot then and see if there is any improvement.
post #8059 of 8243
DECJ,

That seems really weird.

I've heard that all discs with DTS-HD are also supposed to have lossy DTD versions as well for those without HDMI. I wonder if those discs don't have that.
post #8060 of 8243
As mentioned a bit earlier, there is no soundtrack or audio selection tab on the main menu for these three Warner Home Video Blu-Rays ... only a languages tab with the typical array of alternative language selections (which other than English being in DTS-HD, are in Dolby Digital, the latter of which doesn't have the offending sound).
post #8061 of 8243
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Originally Posted by DECJ View Post

I will be getting the replacement Red Planet Blu-Ray next Tuesday, so I'll give that a shot then and see if there is any improvement.

Well, I played the replacement Red Planet Blu-Ray a few minutes ago and got the same offending sound in the DTS-HD Master Audio English 5.1 soundtrack, so it looks like I am out of luck. I again don't know why these three Warner Home Video Blu-Ray titles have this specific audio problem, so I guess it comes down to "it is what it is".
post #8062 of 8243
I found the download for my bd-60 but there is no instructions on the correct way to install it. ..anyone have a link?
post #8063 of 8243
Quote:
Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

I found the download for my bd-60 but there is no instructions on the correct way to install it. ..anyone have a link?

The link:
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/c...dating_na.html
post #8064 of 8243
Quote:
Originally Posted by moxie1617 View Post

The link:
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/c...dating_na.html

I actually burned the firmware to a cd because there is no internet connection where the bd-60 is located. Just want to update it correctly without bricking it.
post #8065 of 8243
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post


I actually burned the firmware to a cd because there is no internet connection where the bd-60 is located. Just want to update it correctly without bricking it.

Sorry, I thought it was the instructions for creating the CD.

Try this one, scroll down a little to see the process.

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/c...0/bd60_na.html
post #8066 of 8243
Quote:
Originally Posted by moxie1617 View Post

Sorry, I thought it was the instructions for creating the CD.

Try this one, scroll down a little to see the process.

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/c...0/bd60_na.html

Never mind, found the instructions . Thanks anyway
post #8067 of 8243
BD60, Just Over 25 months old - started having trouble with blu-ray discs about a week ago.

Now plays SD DVDs just fine, but REFUSES to play Blu-rays...

Multiple runs of DR. Blu-ray Disc Cleaner has failed to improve situation. Have also tried Blindly shooting canned air into the tray area, simply hoping for the best...

Add the GREEN BLOBS and INCREASING PINK TINT visible on our 60" ST30, and must confess am not too happy with Panasonic right now.

At least we still have 30-Days to RETURN the ST30, thanks for Amazon's Holiday Return Policy =

But now am wondering whether it is smart to try another ST or not....
post #8068 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

BD60, Just Over 25 months old - started having trouble with blu-ray discs about a week ago.

Now plays SD DVDs just fine, but REFUSES to play Blu-rays...

Multiple runs of DR. Blu-ray Disc Cleaner has failed to improve situation. Have also tried Blindly shooting canned air into the tray area, simply hoping for the best...

The BD60 has a blue laser for blu-ray and a red laser for dvd. I can pretty much assure you the blue laser needs to be replaced.
post #8069 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Georgeb View Post

The BD60 has a blue laser for blu-ray and a red laser for dvd. I can pretty much assure you the blue laser needs to be replaced.

Would it be a safe guess that replacing the blue laser probably costs more - or at least Nearly As Much - as simply buying a new player - ??
post #8070 of 8243
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post


Would it be a safe guess that replacing the blue laser probably costs more - or at least Nearly As Much - as simply buying a new player - ??

You can get the DMP-BD75 for lot less than $100. You'd probably have to replace the entire drive, not just the laser, the way they make things now.
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