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post #151 of 2547
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

wow. very impressive. compare it to any other players? might just have to pull the trigger on this one...any b&m dealers sell it in texas by chance?

Is HHGregg in Texas? They have it.

fafner
post #152 of 2547
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Originally Posted by fafner View Post

I believe the manual says it does but I have not personally checked. You might download the manual and confirm.

fafner


I never trust manuals.
post #153 of 2547
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Originally Posted by fafner View Post

I believe the manual says it does but I have not personally checked. You might download the manual and confirm.

fafner

would you say it is equal or superior to the sony 350?
post #154 of 2547
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Originally Posted by fafner View Post

Is HHGregg in Texas? They have it.

fafner

unfortunately not. frys carries jvc and is listed on their site, but they do not carry this player.
post #155 of 2547
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

would you say it is equal or superior to the sony 350?

Certainly equal to it. After looking around quite a bit and reading other posts, I am not sure if any player has actually been seen to be superior to others, just in terms of PQ.

fafner
post #156 of 2547
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Originally Posted by slimm View Post

I'm betting that the 8 sec load time is actually boot time. The Sony S350/S550 can do that with Quickstart enabled.

slimm,

You're probably right about this being boot time, however it is still pretty impressive if confirmed.


Willie
post #157 of 2547
So no one can do a time test with Batman Begins or Dark Knight? Someone must have this. The way I did it is in post 131.
post #158 of 2547
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Originally Posted by Franchot View Post

I agree. From what I've read it can be easily modified or hacked to be an all region SD DVD player, so it beats the Oppo in that area. (I haven't read of any Blu ray hacks or mods yet.)

I would really like to read about some reviews about the JVC's upscaling abilities. Somebody got one that can put a test disc in it?

Actually, the Oppo can be made region free for dvd and blu-ray. At least according to this site: http://www.custom-ht.com/oppo.html. "Optional Region Free Mod to enable Blu-ray and DVD A/B/C and All regions respectively" I may pick one up today and take it for a test ride. I've been considering a 3rd player for my family room so this just may be the ticket.

It wouldn't replace my Oppo or Pioneer in my other home theater setups. However, if it lives up to the specs, then it could be a good addition. The only other player I've considered for this task is the Panny BD60.

Willie
post #159 of 2547
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Originally Posted by Majestyk View Post

So no one can do a time test with Batman Begins or Dark Knight? Someone must have this. The way I did it is in post 131.

I can do Dark Knight in a couple of hours.
post #160 of 2547
I'll chime in here to confirm all of the positive things about this player that I've been reading. I picked up the JVC this morning from HH Gregg. They're definitely not my favorite retailer, but their $199.00 price beat anything I could find online. I've owned a PS3 as well as other Sony and Panasonic stand alone Blu-ray players. The JVC is at least as fast as the PS3 at loading discs and at chapter access, perhaps a little faster. As others have already said, setup was intuitive; picture and sound quality are on par with other players, and yes, it would really be nice to be able to dim the blue lights on the front. It will be interesting to read some professional reviews of the JVC, but even a bad review won't convince me to return it.
post #161 of 2547
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Originally Posted by Majestyk View Post

Does anyone here want to do some speed tests vs the Oppo? I'm trying the Oppo out now and it would be interesting to see what the differences are. The only problem is I don't have that many BD's.

As soon as the tray closes I start my stop watch. (I don't wait for 'loading' to appear)

Here is what I have tried:

Batman Dark Knight: Without skipping any logos and stopping my watch as soon as the movie starts I get 1 minute, 13 seconds.

Batman Begins: Same procedure I get an almost identical 1 minute, 12 seconds.

James Bond Live & Let Die: Again, no skipping logos and I stop
my watch as soon as the menu first starts (I don't mean waiting until the options show). 55 Seconds.

Anyone else have these titles and want to try them on the JVC with the same conditions listed?

I'm going to head over to my local HH Gregg and see if they have any in stock, however I don't plan on doing any comparisons between the JVC, Oppo or my Pioneer. In my opinion the Oppo and the Pioneer offer considerably more.


Willie
post #162 of 2547
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

I'm going to head over to my local HH Gregg and see if they have any in stock, however I don't plan on doing any comparisons between the JVC, Oppo or my Pioneer. In my opinion the Oppo and the Pioneer offer considerably more.


Willie

What features do the Oppo or Pioneer offer that the JVC doesn't? If you're going to say something about the sound quality, as ridiculous as it sounds I find the JVC to sound very, very good indeed. I've used it as my source with a $3000 headphone setup and it is just as good as the Pioneer (I've never heard the Oppo).

Equipment used:

Grado RS-1
Melos SHA-Gold Reference modified with Auricaps and Blackgates, Amperex pinched waist tubes
99.9999% silver IC's insulated with teflon in a Litz braid with Rhodium plated rca's
Monster HTS 3500 MK III power conditioner running off of a APC Smart UPS 2200VA pure sine wave
post #163 of 2547
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

wow. very impressive. compare it to any other players? might just have to pull the trigger on this one...any b&m dealers sell it in texas by chance?

winston9332,

If you keep this up you and I will own some of the same players.


Willie
post #164 of 2547
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Originally Posted by ***********3 View Post

What features do the Oppo or Pioneer offer that the JVC doesn't? If you're going to say something about the sound quality, as ridiculous as it sounds I find the JVC to sound very, very good indeed. I've used it as my source with a $3000 headphone setup and it is just as good as the Pioneer (I've never heard the Oppo).

Equipment used:

Grado RS-1
Melos SHA-Gold Reference modified with Auricaps and Blackgates, Amperex pinched waist tubes
99.9999% silver IC's insulated with teflon in a Litz braid with Rhodium plated rca's
Monster HTS 3500 MK III power conditioner running off of a APC Smart UPS 2200VA pure sine wave

The Oppo and the Pioneer (next firmware update to include DTS-HD MA) both internally decode high resolution audio and send it over their 7.1 analog connections. Also, they both offer 2 channel analog audio. The Oppo also offer's other media support (SACD and DVD-A).

Also, I really don't want to get into Oppo comparisons on this thread at all if possible.


Respectfully,
Willie
post #165 of 2547
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I can do Dark Knight in a couple of hours

Cool, thanks!
post #166 of 2547
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

The Oppo and the Pioneer (next firmware update to include DTS-HD MA) both internally decode high resolution audio and send it over their 7.1 analog connections. Also, they both offer 2 channel analog audio. The Oppo also offer's other media support (SACD and DVD-A).

Also, I really don't want to get into Oppo comparisons on this thread at all if possible.


Respectfully,
Willie

Ah, I completely forgot about analog out. Thanks.
post #167 of 2547
anybody have a rough time of a powered off eject time? ie if you press the eject button while it is powered on, how long does it take for the tray to open?
post #168 of 2547
JVC Dark Knight startup time as measured from the second the tray closes to movie start, without skipping anything is 1 minute 14 seconds, or essentially identical to the Oppo.

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anybody have a rough time of a powered off eject time? ie if you press the eject button while it is powered on, how long does it take for the tray to open?

Hitting eject while the dark knight is running, not paused, takes 4.5 seconds for the tray to eject. Hitting the eject button while the player is powered off takes three seconds for the tray to open. By the time the tray finishes opening (6-7 seconds from the time you first press eject), the home menu is present on the screen and the player is ready to go.
post #169 of 2547
Just picked up one of these at Ultimate Electronics (in MN) for $199 to, hopefully, replace my slow-as-molasses Samsung 1400. However, it will need to be able to play AVCHD discs from my Panasonic HD camcorder or it'll have to go back to the store.
post #170 of 2547
How does this XV-BP1 compare to the Pioneer BDP-320?
post #171 of 2547
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Originally Posted by ***********3 View Post

Unit won't play m2ts files, even when burned to AVCHD (recognizes the AVCHD, but then locks up and shuts down after about 30 seconds). It can't see the files from movie mode. .TS files are a no go as well.

That would rule this unit out for me. It seems strange that JVC would advertise this as AVCHD compatible if it did not at least support AVCHD video recorded off their new AVCHD camcorders. What was the source of the AVCHD files you tried.

I want to be able to take the SD card out of my CANON AVCHD camcorder, put it in a card reader and connect the reader to the USB port and then watch the video I recorded. I also want the ability to author a AVCHD disc on regular DVD-R media and have it play without issue. I can do both those things on the PS3 in my home theater and would like a unit for the family room with that capability.
post #172 of 2547
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Originally Posted by ktoolsie View Post

That would rule this unit out for me. It seems strange that JVC would advertise this as AVCHD compatible if it did not at least support AVCHD video recorded off their new AVCHD camcorders. What was the source of the AVCHD files you tried.

I want to be able to take the SD card out of my CANON AVCHD camcorder, put it in a card reader and connect the reader to the USB port and then watch the video I recorded. I also want the ability to author a AVCHD disc on regular DVD-R media and have it play without issue. I can do both those things on the PS3 in my home theater and would like a unit for the family room with that capability.

IT may very well work with the camera as the mt2s files I tried were ripped off of a blu-ray.
post #173 of 2547
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Originally Posted by ***********3 View Post

JVC Dark Knight startup time as measured from the second the tray closes to movie start, without skipping anything is 1 minute 14 seconds, or essentially identical to the Oppo.

***********3,

Do you own an Oppo? I only ask because your question to me in an earlier post led me to believe you didn't own the Oppo, but you reference it on you speed comparison of the Dark Knight.


Willie
post #174 of 2547
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

***********3,

Do you own an Oppo? I only ask because your question to me in an earlier post led me to believe you didn't own the Oppo, but you reference it on you speed comparison of the Dark Knight.


Willie

I do not own an Oppo nor have I ever had the pleasure of using one. I have this player and the s350 (which I gave to my father after getting the JVC), and my friend owns the ps3 and the pioneer. I was duplicating the methodology posted earlier in the thread:

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Does anyone here want to do some speed tests vs the Oppo? I'm trying the Oppo out now and it would be interesting to see what the differences are. The only problem is I don't have that many BD's.

As soon as the tray closes I start my stop watch. (I don't wait for 'loading' to appear)

Here is what I have tried:

Batman Dark Knight: Without skipping any logos and stopping my watch as soon as the movie starts I get 1 minute, 13 seconds.

Batman Begins: Same procedure I get an almost identical 1 minute, 12 seconds.

James Bond Live & Let Die: Again, no skipping logos and I stop
my watch as soon as the menu first starts (I don't mean waiting until the options show). 55 Seconds.

Anyone else have these titles and want to try them on the JVC with the same conditions listed?
post #175 of 2547
Just picked up this player this afternoon and setup was very easy. Below are my speed test findings. All times are average ± 1 second:

BD Live turned off
  1. Power Off/Standby to No Disc message - 12 seconds. The 8 second claim is accurate, but this is only to the JVC logo, which doesn't allow you to input a disc at that point.
  2. Tray open from Power Off/Standby to No Disc message - 3 seconds. The benefit of this is that you can insert the disc and sit down, however you still have to wait approximately 18 seconds for the disc (Batman Begins blu-ray) to boot up and load to the Warning logo. I think I wouldn't mind sitting during the additional 18 seconds though.
  3. Load Disc (from tray open to Warning Logo) Blu-ray Batman Begins 20 seconds. This essentially equates to the approximate time of item 2.
  4. Power Off/Standby to Warning Logo with disc in tray - Blu-ray Batman Begins 22 seconds. I know most recommend not leaving a disc in the tray when powered off, but I thought I would provide this time anyway.

When performing the speed tests for lines 3 and 4 the reading of the disc took over 1 minute and 30 seconds on 3 separate occasions. Once it returned the error message Disc Error and the player ejected the disc. On the 2 other readings I chose to eject the disc on 1 and power off the player on the other. The disc was clean and in pristine condition.

The blue lights on the front panel are too bright for me. Hopefully, a future firmware update will allow you to dim or turn it off the lights. The blue was very distracting this afternoon and I can only see this getting worse with nighttime viewing. Some may like it, but I don't.

Last, every time I turned the player on I received the following message from my display The Device Cannot be operated. Please check connection. (CEC 100). I changed inputs and swapped out HDMI cables, but nothing corrected this. I think there may be a setting in my display or the JVC that is not getting along. This is strange because my other equipment doesn't exhibit this behavior.

winston9332

Per your request powered off eject time? is approximately 1 sec.
post #176 of 2547
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Originally Posted by ***********3 View Post

I can do Dark Knight in a couple of hours.

wow so they have sped up load times...
post #177 of 2547
The thing I really like is the quick tray opening time. So it opens in a few seconds, I put the disc in and then go back to sit down. I don't mind waiting a few more seconds there but I hated waited so long for the tray to open with my now retired Sony player.

fafner
post #178 of 2547
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Just picked up this player this afternoon and setup was very easy. Below are my speed test findings. All times are average ± 1 second:

BD Live turned off
  1. Power Off/Standby to No Disc message - 12 seconds. The 8 second claim is accurate, but this is only to the JVC logo, which doesn't allow you to input a disc at that point.
  2. Tray open from Power Off/Standby to No Disc message - 3 seconds. The benefit of this is that you can insert the disc and sit down, however you still have to wait approximately 18 seconds for the disc (Batman Begins blu-ray) to boot up and load to the Warning logo. I think I wouldn't mind sitting during the additional 18 seconds though.
  3. Load Disc (from tray open to Warning Logo) Blu-ray Batman Begins 20 seconds. This essentially equates to the approximate time of item 2.
  4. Power Off/Standby to Warning Logo with disc in tray - Blu-ray Batman Begins 22 seconds. I know most recommend not leaving a disc in the tray when powered off, but I thought I would provide this time anyway.

When performing the speed tests for lines 3 and 4 the reading of the disc took over 1 minute and 30 seconds on 3 separate occasions. Once it returned the error message Disc Error and the player ejected the disc. On the 2 other readings I chose to eject the disc on 1 and power off the player on the other. The disc was clean and in pristine condition.

The blue lights on the front panel are too bright for me. Hopefully, a future firmware update will allow you to dim or turn it off the lights. The blue was very distracting this afternoon and I can only see this getting worse with nighttime viewing. Some may like it, but I don't.

Last, every time I turned the player on I received the following message from my display The Device Cannot be operated. Please check connection. (CEC 100). I changed inputs and swapped out HDMI cables, but nothing corrected this. I think there may be a setting in my display or the JVC that is not getting along. This is strange because my other equipment doesn't exhibit this behavior.

winston9332

Per your request powered off eject time? is approximately 1 sec.

thanks...very interesting. how would you rate its sd dvd upscaling?
post #179 of 2547
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

thanks...very interesting. how would you rate its sd dvd upscaling?

winston9332,

SD dvd playback is very good. I looked at the 1st minute of episode 1, disc 1 for Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 4. The picture had a slight softness to it and wasn't as sharp as my other players. Since, this player will reside in my family room this will go unnoticed since my wife and kids will be doing most of the viewing. Again, I would consider this player a very capable dvd player.

The viewing distances in my family room are between 8 and 12 feet, so there is no difference when viewing from those distances on my 32 inch Samsung. The minor difference above was only discernable when viewed on my 42 inch Pioneer plasma from 6 ½ feet. I would suspect the differences to be greater the larger the screen. However, those in the market for an entry level blu-ray player should put this player on their short list and near the top.


Willie
post #180 of 2547
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

winston9332,

SD dvd playback is very good. I looked at the 1st minute of episode 1, disc 1 for Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 4. The picture had a slight softness to it and wasn't as sharp as my other players. Since, this player will reside in my family room this will go unnoticed since my wife and kids will be doing most of the viewing. Again, I would consider this player a very capable dvd player.

The viewing distances in my family room are between 8 and 12 feet, so there is no difference when viewing from those distances on my 32 inch Samsung. The minor difference above was only discernable when viewed on my 42 inch Pioneer plasma from 6 ½ feet. I would suspect the differences to be greater the larger the screen. However, those in the market for an entry level blu-ray player should put this player on their short list and near the top.


Willie

Are you upscaling to 1080p or 720P? If 720p be sure to lock the player to 720p as it defaults to 1080i and I also noticed the softness at 1080i. 1080i is not this player's strong point.

Also, I must say I am quite irritated by JVC censoring the reviews that appear on their webpage. I wrote a 4 star review but complained a lot about the lack of NTFS support about a week ago and they still didn't post it, while they did post another review that was written after mine (a five star review).
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