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post #1 of 18
3/24/09 at 10:01am
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So im almost ready to pull the trigger on a TV.
Ive narrowed it down to the Pioneer Pro 151 FD or the Pioneer 600 KRP-M.

Here is my thinking and this is where I'm stuck.

Obviously I would like the Pro 151 fd for the extended length of warranty (2 year). I understand and I might be wrong, but that the two tv's internals are basically the same. The only difference is the lack of ISF interface on the 600 Krp-m. Obviously the Krp-m doesnt come with speakers or stand, neither of which I need, so you save there.

Now there is a price difference, and here is where I am stuck. Both tv's have pure mode. But is the ISF that important to pay the difference in the two tv's? My understanding is the ISF allows the 151 to run a bit brighter. But does it effect the picture quality to a degree that it will be noticeable. I do plan on getting which ever tv I get professionally calibrated.

So tell me the pro's and con's. The cost difference between the two is over $1000.
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post #2 of 18
3/24/09 at 10:21am
Just think of the KRP600M as a 141FD. Roughly the same functionality and picture quality.

Chris
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post #3 of 18
3/24/09 at 10:53am
If you don't need speaker, stand and OTA tuner, you should be considering the PRO-141FD vs. the KRP-600M instead of the 151.

The 141/151 has more hdmi inputs, 2 year warranty and ISFccc modes as opposes to the 600M. If you have a very bright room or you like to watch TV in a very bright room, than the ISFccc mode will definitely provide you an advantage. Does it worth >$1K? That's your own call.

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So im almost ready to pull the trigger on a TV.
Ive narrowed it down to the Pioneer Pro 151 FD or the Pioneer 600 KRP-M.

Here is my thinking and this is where I'm stuck.

Obviously I would like the Pro 151 fd for the extended length of warranty (2 year). I understand and I might be wrong, but that the two tv's internals are basically the same. The only difference is the lack of ISF interface on the 600 Krp-m. Obviously the Krp-m doesnt come with speakers or stand, neither of which I need, so you save there.

Now there is a price difference, and here is where I am stuck. Both tv's have pure mode. But is the ISF that important to pay the difference in the two tv's? My understanding is the ISF allows the 151 to run a bit brighter. But does it effect the picture quality to a degree that it will be noticeable. I do plan on getting which ever tv I get professionally calibrated.

So tell me the pro's and con's. The cost difference between the two is over $1000.
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post #4 of 18
3/24/09 at 11:45am
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Is the 141 just a 151 without stand, speakers and tuner? If I recall correctly, they cost about the same right (141 and 151)?

Most of my tv watching will be in the evenings, so the room is not that bright at all.
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post #5 of 18
3/24/09 at 11:49am
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Is the 141 just a 151 without stand, speakers and tuner? If I recall correctly, they cost about the same right (141 and 151)?

Most of my tv watching will be in the evenings, so the room is not that bright at all.

Well the 141 should be 1up the 151 because of the "hand selected" best component. Kind of the Elite of the Elite. However, if you want to save money, I would go for the 600M instead especially if your room can be light controlled.
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post #6 of 18
3/24/09 at 11:54am
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So with my particular situation where I will be watching most of my tv in the evenings, is the lack of ISF a deal breaker?
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post #7 of 18
3/24/09 at 12:01pm
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So with my particular situation where I will be watching most of my tv in the evenings, is the lack of ISF a deal breaker?

Probably not. 40 ftl really isn't dim.
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post #8 of 18
3/24/09 at 12:02pm
In your situation, I would go for the 600M. The 151/141 will get you more picture options with the ISF stuff, but unless you're one of the top videophiles out there, I don't think the ISF modes are going to be $1000 better than a calibrated Pure mode.

The ISF modes DO give you the option of selecting from more viewing modes, however. This is handy if you have multiple sources/types of viewing material on a single input and want to quickly switch between colourspaces or whatever.

As for the 2 year warranty, you'd likely be just as well off getting an extended warranty aftermarket (Mack or one of the others). You can get 4 or 5 years for less than the difference between the sets.

If you don't want the speakers or tuner, I would recommend the 141 or the 600 over the 151 just because the unit is narrower and lighter (easier to wall mount).
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post #9 of 18
3/24/09 at 12:25pm
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So the 151 is out.

Now, I will have my PS3, DishNetwork HD DVR and Computer hooked up to the tv, so I will have three inputs. Obviously the PS3 is my bluray player and gaming console. In actuality, there will only be one HDMI input going to the tv, since everything will go thru my Onkyo sr-606. So HDMI's are no concern.

So with ISF on the 141, I can choose several viewing modes, as where the 600 KRP only has the pure mode? Is this correct.

I actually dont it to bright, I currently have a Sharp Aquos 46 inch lcd, and I dont use the bright dynamic mode, i find it to bright.

I guess as long as I dont see a 141 fd in action to compare my 600 to (if i go with it), i will never know the difference.
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post #10 of 18
3/25/09 at 11:21am
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Can someone clarify for me the differences in view modes between the pro 141 and the krp-m 600.

Im assuming the 600 only has pure mode, where as the 141 has pure as well as other modes, such as night, dynamic????

Im only basing this on what my current sharp has in terms of view modes.
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post #11 of 18
3/25/09 at 11:39am
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Can someone clarify for me the differences in view modes between the pro 141 and the krp-m 600.

Im assuming the 600 only has pure mode, where as the 141 has pure as well as other modes, such as night, dynamic????

Im only basing this on what my current sharp has in terms of view modes.

Check out this comparison chart I put together here. The 600M Pure mode is per input source. (However, may not be applicable to your case since you will use only one hdmi into the TV) What it means you can have Pure mode tweaked for PS3/Blu-ray on HDMI 1; Pure mode tweaked for PC on DVI-D; Pure mode tweaked for Cable on HDMI2.
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post #12 of 18
3/25/09 at 12:14pm
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Soso, thanks for the link.. It clears up alot.

But im still confused about the ISFccc modes. Do they apply to each viewing mode? Such as Pure Modes has a day, night and auto mode. Game has a day, night and auto mode.

Or are the ISFccc modes separate/additional modes?

Is this why they say ISFccc allows more adjustability and allows for a higher brightness setting?

Am I understanding this right
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post #13 of 18
3/27/09 at 12:37pm
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ISFccc calibration for the Pro 141 fd, from what I can see, can only be done with the Control Cal? Is this correct?


Reason I ask, is that most of the ISF calibration companies here in Miami do not have Control Cal. Actually none of them that I have talked to have it.

Does anyone know of a good ISFccc calibrator in the miami area.

If no one in the area has control cal, should I just go with the 600KRP-M, since I wont be able to calibrate the 141 to its full potential?
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post #14 of 18
3/27/09 at 1:26pm
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ISFccc calibration for the Pro 141 fd, from what I can see, can only be done with the Control Cal? Is this correct?


Reason I ask, is that most of the ISF calibration companies here in Miami do not have Control Cal. Actually none of them that I have talked to have it.

Does anyone know of a good ISFccc calibrator in the miami area.

If no one in the area has control cal, should I just go with the 600KRP-M, since I wont be able to calibrate the 141 to its full potential?

ISFccc modes are extra on top of "Pure, Standard, Movie" ... etc. Lots of calibrators on the forum do tours and they maybe interested in visiting Miami. Turbe is the member who has the most info about Control Cal and he might be able to help (PM works great). Also, you may want to check out the control cal forum for tons of info as well.
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post #15 of 18
3/27/09 at 1:44pm
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But can ISFccc only be unlocked by control cal.

It doesnt seem anyone in my area uses or even knows of Control Cal.

I will PM turbe. Thanks soso for responding.
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post #16 of 18
4/2/09 at 7:23am
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Ended up going with the Krp600-m.
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post #17 of 18
4/2/09 at 7:26am
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Ended up going with the Krp600-m.

Sweet. Congratulation. I believe you will be VERY happy with it and join us in the KRP-600M club. Let us know what you think and send picture too.
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post #18 of 18
4/2/09 at 7:34am
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Soso, thanks for all your insight.

I wont be getting the tv until after the 27th, just moved into a new place, and i have to install some wood floors and paint first.

Dont want to risk moving the TV around especially with how fragile they are !!

Once up, I will post pics.
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