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post #1 of 79
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Hey guys, here's the new basement setup.

Updated 04/13/09:

TV - Panasonic TC-P50X1 Viera 50" Plasma
Receiver - Yamaha RX-V663
Protection: Belkin PureAV PF30
Amp: Emotiva XPA-3
Fronts- JBL HLS615A
Subwoofer - JBL PSW-1000
Center - JBL HLS Series
Surrounds - Sony Bookshelfs
Blu-Ray/CD/DVD/MP3 Streamer/Game System/Network Storage Device - PS3
Remote - Harmony 659
HD Source - Comcast box with DVR

Coming soon to a theater near you: 1080 Projector w/DIY screen, new mains (looking at Vienna Accoustics or Monitors), leather theater seating.







post #2 of 79
Nice rig !

hands down the biggest mistake most folks make when assembling a system is they dont bring their L / R channel speakers enough into the room so as to offset the "imaging nightmare" that ones TV screen creates.

I don't know what your WAF is, but you would be surprised to hear how much better your system would sound if you bring your speakers forward a foot or two !

Also it's fair to assume that the glass doors do create first order relection problems.
post #3 of 79
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Thanks man! I'm a newb though and not sure what is meant by WAF? And are you saying move my fronts out more or the surrounds. You hit the nail on the head with glare. Curtains are coming this weekend if not sooner, lol.
post #4 of 79
He wants you to move your front speakers forward in front of the tv, this will help any harsh tones being immediately reflected back into the room as well as create a more solid sound stage. If you can get a matching center channel that too will help with the front sound stage. Try angling you center up a bit to get that sound further towards your ears.
Other than that pretty nice set up overall.
post #5 of 79
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Originally Posted by plasmattack View Post

what is meant by WAF?

WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor


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And are you saying move my fronts out more or the surrounds. You hit the nail on the head with glare. Curtains are coming this weekend if not sooner, lol.

yes move, if WAF allows, them out past your TV screen, you will notice a difference !
post #6 of 79
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Originally Posted by twitch54 View Post

WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor




yes move, if WAF allows, them out past your TV screen, you will notice a difference !

Now that is funny and I read you loud and clear. The first thing I was thinking when you suggested moving them forward is hmmm -I wonder if the wife will go for it, lol. Perhaps I should just do it and see if she notices
post #7 of 79
Looks very comfortable and cozy! I would definitely recommend the fronts more forward so that they clear the tv stand and also bring the center speaker forward so that its on the edge of the base its sitting on.
post #8 of 79
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Originally Posted by Daman S View Post

Looks very comfortable and cozy! I would definitely recommend the fronts more forward so that they clear the tv stand and also bring the center speaker forward so that its on the edge of the base its sitting on.

Thank you! I did move the speakers. With any luck it will pass inspection with the boss . What about equipment? The speakers I've had for nearly 12 years. I think I got them at Circuit City. I've tossed around the idea of upgrading those and maybe an amp. Any thoughts?
post #9 of 79
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My surrounds are around 3ft. behind us when seated. What do you guys think about how far they are back and how close they are toghether on the secretary stand?
post #10 of 79
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Originally Posted by plasmattack View Post

Thank you! I did move the speakers. With any luck it will pass inspection with the boss . What about equipment? The speakers I've had for nearly 12 years. I think I got them at Circuit City. I've tossed around the idea of upgrading those and maybe an amp. Any thoughts?

Nice! Hope it passes the WAF If you do want to go the separates route i would start with the main 2 speakers first and then maybe get a good center to match them. You can probably snag a decent price for the JBL's at craigslist if you do upgrade. Regarding the amp i would suggest first decide on the speakers and then choose the amp because IMHO each amp works differently with different speakers.

Another suggestion would be to actually move the rear speakers to the sides since that is the normal position for a 5.1 setup. I don't know if you can do that or not(WAF?).. but in case you cannot then an alternative can be that when you upgrade the front 2, move the existing fronts to the sides(so you don't have to mount anything on the walls and no wires hanging around).
post #11 of 79
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Originally Posted by Daman S View Post

Nice! Hope it passes the WAF If you do want to go the separates route i would start with the main 2 speakers first and then maybe get a good center to match them. You can probably snag a decent price for the JBL's at craigslist if you do upgrade. Regarding the amp i would suggest first decide on the speakers and then choose the amp because IMHO each amp works differently with different speakers.

Another suggestion would be to actually move the rear speakers to the sides since that is the normal position for a 5.1 setup. I don't know if you can do that or not(WAF?).. but in case you cannot then an alternative can be that when you upgrade the front 2, move the existing fronts to the sides(so you don't have to mount anything on the walls and no wires hanging around).

Cool, thanks dude. Any suggestions on front/center combos that work well together? I've ended up with what I have by buying and trading at different points in my life and thus kind of have a hodge podge mix. Don't get me wrong, the system sounds really good but I know it can be much better.
post #12 of 79
Hey plasmattack,

Very nice setup indeed, clean and classy. Great advice from the posters above. You're definitely on the right track. I love that Viera, too!!! Nice job on cable management!!
post #13 of 79
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Originally Posted by plasmattack View Post

Cool, thanks dude. Any suggestions on front/center combos that work well together? I've ended up with what I have by buying and trading at different points in my life and thus kind of have a hodge podge mix. Don't get me wrong, the system sounds really good but I know it can be much better.

This is going to be based solely on your budget. Also, seeing as sound is severely subjective, once your budget is decided, the best most can do is recommend brands, and you would have to let your ears decide.
post #14 of 79
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

This is going to be based solely on your budget. Also, seeing as sound is severely subjective, once your budget is decided, the best most can do is recommend brands, and you would have to let your ears decide.

+1 to what he said. Word of caution, if you have a rough ballpark of your budget add 20-30% to it at least since you will always end up liking something that is slightly over your budget

Jokes apart, if you do have an idea of how much you want to spend on the front 3, one can start there. You can post here and also in the speakers section and will get some great advice. It will all boil down to subjective listening as each person has his/her own preferences. I would definitely recommend the front 3 to be from same manufacturer for timbre matching. The sides need not be(but it would still be good if you can).
post #15 of 79
Nice setup and room. An open layout is always difficult to work with. Sound goes everywhere...I have a similar layout.
You may want to move your fronts a bit wider to widen your sound stage.
If the location of the surrounds work and give the feeling of "effects" going on around and behind you you are doing ok.
It is always difficult working a home theatre system into a living room. You just do the best you can with what you have and not worry about it.

If you enjoy the sound of your speakers don't worry about replacing them. If you are considering replacing them go audition speakers at your local shops. Replacing fronts/center and sub may cost around $1200 for nice gear...you don't want to spend $300 for gear that will not satisfy you.

Good luck and keep us informed.
post #16 of 79
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Originally Posted by Kai Winters View Post

Nice setup and room. An open layout is always difficult to work with. Sound goes everywhere...I have a similar layout.
You may want to move your fronts a bit wider to widen your sound stage.
If the location of the surrounds work and give the feeling of "effects" going on around and behind you you are doing ok.
It is always difficult working a home theatre system into a living room. You just do the best you can with what you have and not worry about it.

If you enjoy the sound of your speakers don't worry about replacing them. If you are considering replacing them go audition speakers at your local shops. Replacing fronts/center and sub may cost around $1200 for nice gear...you don't want to spend $300 for gear that will not satisfy you.

Good luck and keep us informed.

Thanks Kai! Yea, the open floor plan is tough both in the physical aspect along with the accoustical side of things. I am going to budget in new speakers and save for them. I'll probably be spending between $1000 to $1500 for the fronts and center. I'll probably be able to spend a few hundred on the sub. That would be feasible for me.

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Originally Posted by Daman S View Post

+1 to what he said. Word of caution, if you have a rough ballpark of your budget add 20-30% to it at least since you will always end up liking something that is slightly over your budget

Jokes apart, if you do have an idea of how much you want to spend on the front 3, one can start there. You can post here and also in the speakers section and will get some great advice. It will all boil down to subjective listening as each person has his/her own preferences. I would definitely recommend the front 3 to be from same manufacturer for timbre matching. The sides need not be(but it would still be good if you can).

Thanks Daman! I'm not sure what timbre matching is? I totally agree that it's all subjective. Are the stores like BB and CC worth looking at or are they not going to carry the better brands? I have a Bose outlet not far from my home but I know most people on here aren't fond of Bose.

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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

This is going to be based solely on your budget. Also, seeing as sound is severely subjective, once your budget is decided, the best most can do is recommend brands, and you would have to let your ears decide.

Thanks Fanaticalism, I posted my potential budget above in this post. I know it probably doesn't allot for much but it's what I will be able to afford. Recommending brands for me to listen to will be a big help as a starting point. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by ddgtr View Post

Hey plasmattack,

Very nice setup indeed, clean and classy. Great advice from the posters above. You're definitely on the right track. I love that Viera, too!!! Nice job on cable management!!

Thanks ddgtr! My cabinet makes it easier for cable management so I can't take total credit I need some velcro strips to tidy up the last bit behind the system. I am a bit obsessive compulsive and untidiness of nearly any kind makes it so I can't sleep at night I wipe dust and finger prints off everything at least once a day. I LOVE the Viera too! The PQ is amazing. My brother who owns a Kuro was very impressed with my set. Thanks for the kind words!
post #17 of 79
Hello plasmattack.

Kai Winters couldn't be any more on point with his estimation of cost for a decent surround package for the money.

First, let's not get it confused, you are a victim of the WAF syndrome!
If you think you are going to get away with speakers that aren't in harmony with the rest of the LIVINGROOM decor, you are sadly mistaken!
The budget is an often overlooked ingredient of the WAF!
So here are your qualifiers: 1) Budget 2) aesthetic compatibility and 3) good performance for the designated area.

Now if, and I emphasize "IF", your budget is $1200.00, may I suggest the Polk Audio TSi Series.

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/tsi/

TSi 300 Towers in Cherry $400/pr.
CS10 Center Channel in Cherry $180.00
TSi100 Surounds in Cherry $300.00 and
the PSW111 Powered Sub $250.00
Total: $1280.00 before haggling!

Now I know there will be posters that will dispute this suggestion, granted. But I've heard this exact speaker package and I must say, the performance in a 20 x 14 room, and it didn't sound bad at all, especially for the money. And they have a small footprint and they look very nice and would match the decor of the room nicely.

Again, this is all on the assumption of a $1200.00 budget.

BTW, your setup is tastefully done and does not encroach on the room.

Regards.
post #18 of 79
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Originally Posted by plasmattack View Post

Hey guys. I want your honest feedback on what you would change (positions of anything, equipment, literally anything) because I value your opinions very much. My surrounds are in the back due to lack of side mounting area on left side when facing setup. It's an open floor plan so kind of hard to work around. It's a living room, dining room and kitchen space. I only took pics of the living area. First things first. A list of my equipment then pics below. Thanks fellow enthusiasts

TV - Panasonic TC-P50X1 Viera 50" Plasma
Receiver - Yamaha RX-V663
Fronts- JBL HLS615A
Surrounds - Samsung PS-RP50
Subwoofer - JBL PSW-1000
Center - Sony SS-CN305
Blu-Ray - Magnavox NB530MGX
Remote - Harmony 659
HD Source - Comcast box with DVR

Waddaya mean, "not much?" You living room is beautiful and so is the AV equipment you have in it! It looks to me like you have a very well-ordered home and the rig, while not using all of the world's most expensive parts, has what all look like very good parts offering an excellent bang-to-buck ratio. I say "well done, mate."

I agree with the other respondents that upgrading the sound system is very much a matter of taste and financial resources. Sound equipment easily gets so expensive that non-millionaires quickly confront diminishing returns on it. If the sound quality were good to my ears, I'd keep what you already have, as the components are lovely and fit the look of the house admirably. Of course, if you're unsatisfied with the sound quality, then you've got some research to do. Fair Warning: the "A" part of "AV" is dizzyingly complex. If you start down that path, be careful that you don't get lost, as I did. There is just so much to learn there.

Yours,

David

P.S.: ldgibson76's suggested Polks do look lovely, I must say.
post #19 of 79
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

Hello plasmattack.

Kai Winters couldn't be any more on point with his estimation of cost for a decent surround package for the money.

First, let's not get it confused, you are a victim of the WAF syndrome!
If you think you are going to get away with speakers that aren't in harmony with the rest of the LIVINGROOM decor, you are sadly mistaken!
The budget is an often overlooked ingredient of the WAF!
So here are your qualifiers: 1) Budget 2) aesthetic compatibility and 3) good performance for the designated area.

Now if, and I emphasize "IF", your budget is $1200.00, may I suggest the Polk Audio TSi Series.

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/tsi/

TSi 300 Towers in Cherry $400/pr.
CS10 Center Channel in Cherry $180.00
TSi100 Surounds in Cherry $300.00 and
the PSW111 Powered Sub $250.00
Total: $1280.00 before haggling!

Now I know there will be posters that will dispute this suggestion, granted. But I've heard this exact speaker package and I must say, the performance in a 20 x 14 room, and it didn't sound bad at all, especially for the money. And they have a small footprint and they look very nice and would match the decor of the room nicely.

Again, this is all on the assumption of a $1200.00 budget.

BTW, your setup is tastefully done and does not encroach on the room.

Regards.

Great info Kai! The WAF is always a concern in my home. My wife loves music but not equipment in the living room The Polks in the Cherry finish would match our floors and would be in my price range. I may have to try a store around me with them so I can hear them. That is definitely feasible for me.

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Originally Posted by davidjschenk View Post

Waddaya mean, "not much?" You living room is beautiful and so is the AV equipment you have in it! It looks to me like you have a very well-ordered home and the rig, while not using all of the world's most expensive parts, has what all look like very good parts offering an excellent bang-to-buck ratio. I say "well done, mate."

I agree with the other respondents that upgrading the sound system is very much a matter of taste and financial resources. Sound equipment easily gets so expensive that non-millionaires quickly confront diminishing returns on it. If the sound quality were good to my ears, I'd keep what you already have, as the components are lovely and fit the look of the house admirably. Of course, if you're unsatisfied with the sound quality, then you've got some research to do. Fair Warning: the "A" part of "AV" is dizzyingly complex. If you start down that path, be careful that you don't get lost, as I did. There is just so much to learn there.

Yours,

David

P.S.: ldgibson76's suggested Polks do look lovely, I must say.

Thanks David for all of the compliments! Obsessive compulsive = well ordered home I am remotely happy with the performance of what I have but want to experience the best for what I can afford personally. The AV world definitely has a dizzying effect and I'm mostly a newb so that makes things even more difficult It sure is fun though
post #20 of 79
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Originally Posted by plasmattack View Post

Thanks Daman! I'm not sure what timbre matching is? I totally agree that it's all subjective. Are the stores like BB and CC worth looking at or are they not going to carry the better brands? I have a Bose outlet not far from my home but I know most people on here aren't fond of Bose.

Timbre matching is the related to the fact that mostly all the vocals in movie tracks these days are confined to the front 3 speakers. Since each speaker has its own 'sound' the vocals may sound different from speaker to speaker. So for a seamless front soundstage where the voice does not suddenly thin out/go deep etc when the sound moves from say right to center, the front 3 need to be from the same manufacturer.

ldgibson gave an excellent suggestion with the Polks! I have owned the RTi's from Polk previously and they are a very dynamic speaker. They also mate very well with the Yamaha's IMHO.

Some other suggestions right off the top of my head would be from SVS

http://www.svsound.com/products-spks.cfm

or maybe something from av123( do a google search for it- avs is not allowing me to post a link to av123 site)


Also look at stuff from Klipsch, Energy, Infinity, Paradigm. While SVS and av123 are internet direct speakers(meaning you cant goto a store to listen to them) they do offer 30 day in home trials. For the others you can find dealers near you that sell these and you can give them a listen before you buy.

If you are planning to keep the Yamaha then i will also suggest that if the dealer has a yamaha receiver try to get him to play that with the speakers. It will give you an idea of how the speakers will eventually sound with your gear.
post #21 of 79
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Originally Posted by Daman S View Post

Timbre matching is the related to the fact that mostly all the vocals in movie tracks these days are confined to the front 3 speakers. Since each speaker has its own 'sound' the vocals may sound different from speaker to speaker. So for a seamless front soundstage where the voice does not suddenly thin out/go deep etc when the sound moves from say right to center, the front 3 need to be from the same manufacturer.

ldgibson gave an excellent suggestion with the Polks! I have owned the RTi's from Polk previously and they are a very dynamic speaker. They also mate very well with the Yamaha's IMHO.

Some other suggestions right off the top of my head would be from SVS

http://www.svsound.com/products-spks.cfm

or maybe something from av123( do a google search for it- avs is not allowing me to post a link to av123 site)


Also look at stuff from Klipsch, Energy, Infinity, Paradigm. While SVS and av123 are internet direct speakers(meaning you cant goto a store to listen to them) they do offer 30 day in home trials. For the others you can find dealers near you that sell these and you can give them a listen before you buy.

If you are planning to keep the Yamaha then i will also suggest that if the dealer has a yamaha receiver try to get him to play that with the speakers. It will give you an idea of how the speakers will eventually sound with your gear.

Great info! A while back I had some Klipsch speakers that I bought from my brother and they were great. I do really like the Yamaha and will most likely be keeping it. I guess I've got some research to do
post #22 of 79
WAF is very important to me. I indulge my hobby with few "side eyes" by my wife. But I am also careful to save my money, make...lol try to...informed purchases and not be wasteful of our limited monies.
Sometime soon I can move my gear to my finished family room...now my son's living room. He is going into the Navy soon and while I will miss him I am excited about finally getting the opportunity to take a completely finished 13x26x8 room and turning it into a more proper home theatre environment...nothing crazy just a relocation and better setup of my gear...well maybe a new bit of gear or two hehehe.
post #23 of 79
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Originally Posted by Kai Winters View Post

WAF is very important to me. I indulge my hobby with few "side eyes" by my wife. But I am also careful to save my money, make...lol try to...informed purchases and not be wasteful of our limited monies.
Sometime soon I can move my gear to my finished family room...now my son's living room. He is going into the Navy soon and while I will miss him I am excited about finally getting the opportunity to take a completely finished 13x26x8 room and turning it into a more proper home theatre environment...nothing crazy just a relocation and better setup of my gear...well maybe a new bit of gear or two hehehe.

That will be cool have your new HT room! That is exciting stuff. Do you have a 5.1 or a 7.1 setup? That room sounds like a perfect 7.1 space
post #24 of 79
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76
Hello plasmattack.

Kai Winters couldn't be any more on point with his estimation of cost for a decent surround package for the money.

First, let's not get it confused, you are a victim of the WAF syndrome!
If you think you are going to get away with speakers that aren't in harmony with the rest of the LIVINGROOM decor, you are sadly mistaken!
The budget is an often overlooked ingredient of the WAF!
So here are your qualifiers: 1) Budget 2) aesthetic compatibility and 3) good performance for the designated area.

Now if, and I emphasize "IF", your budget is $1200.00, may I suggest the Polk Audio TSi Series.

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/tsi/

TSi 300 Towers in Cherry $400/pr.
CS10 Center Channel in Cherry $180.00
TSi100 Surounds in Cherry $300.00 and
the PSW111 Powered Sub $250.00
Total: $1280.00 before haggling!

Now I know there will be posters that will dispute this suggestion, granted. But I've heard this exact speaker package and I must say, the performance in a 20 x 14 room, and it didn't sound bad at all, especially for the money. And they have a small footprint and they look very nice and would match the decor of the room nicely.

Again, this is all on the assumption of a $1200.00 budget.

BTW, your setup is tastefully done and does not encroach on the room.

Regards.

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Great info Kai! The WAF is always a concern in my home. My wife loves music but not equipment in the living room The Polks in the Cherry finish would match our floors and would be in my price range. I may have to try a store around me with them so I can hear them. That is definitely feasible for me.

Yes, Kai did give you great info in his post, but in addressing and thanking Kai
for his info, you embedded my post, therefore it looks as if you are giving Kai
credit for my post. No worries though, it's not as if I enlightened you or hipped you to some great epiphany! I do wish you the best in you speaker search.

Regards.
post #25 of 79
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Originally Posted by ldgibson76 View Post

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Yes, Kai did give you great info in his post, but in addressing and thanking Kai
for his info, you embedded my post, therefore it looks as if you are giving Kai
credit for my post. No worries though, it's not as if I enlightened you or hipped you to some great epiphany! I do wish you the best in you speaker search.

Regards.

Sorry, still getting used to the forum and how it works. I'm trying to make sure I give everyone their props Thanks for posting and for your help and suggestions! I am looking hard at the Polks. I'm already overwhelmed after just 1 afternoon of in depth research on audio. For now, I'm reading, asking questions and saving cash.
post #26 of 79
Hey how are you,very nice setup and very nice room,http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1091036 ,here's mine with polk speakers in cherry your right they would look great with your floor.
post #27 of 79
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Originally Posted by techlvr33 View Post

Hey how are you,very nice setup and very nice room,http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1091036 ,here's mine with polk speakers in cherry your right they would look great with your floor.

Those are beautiful! Nice setup too! I'm looking hard at those speakers. Those and an emotiva amp are next on my list. Thanks for the post!
post #28 of 79
Thread Starter 
Upgrade question. Based on my thread would you spring for an emotiva amp to bring my existing speakers to life and be able to use it when I upgrade my speakers or would you rather use those funds for some higher end book shelf speakers? I would run the book shelfs as fronts and then when funds permit I could buy the towers of power and run the bookshelfs as rears.
post #29 of 79
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Well, I thought long and hard on it and ordered the Emotiva XPA-3 to liven up my front soundstage while I save for new speakers which will most likely be either Klipsch or Polk based on my research thus far. I'm slowly but surely adding solid equipment to my setup. I also relocated the setup to the basement this weekend so I don't have to contend with the WAF
post #30 of 79
Nice set up. I saw you were using a set of JBL HLS615's. I have the JBL HLS810's (book shelf version of what you have with a slightly larger driver) and I love them. They are the only piece that I transferred over from my old set up. I too got them from CC back about 10 years ago. Great speaker for the money. I'm sure the Emotiva amp will "liven" them up quite a bit. I just recently got a Marantz AVR and the sound improved greatly over the old receiver I had been using.
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