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post #1 of 24
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I’m about to embark on a home theater project, and I could use some advice (probably quite a bit, actually!). The basics: the theater will be built in a “bonus room” that sits over a three-car garage. Room dimensions are approximately 28' x 15' x 9'. Here are a couple pics of the space:






(BTW, the small windows at the end have since been filled in.)

Here’s a few SketchUp shots of the general concept I have in mind (still early, and very much open to change… if you have any general suggestions, I’d love to hear them!):

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
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Right now the room is still unfinished space. My general idea was to go with staggered stud walls, with probably a couple layers of 5/8” drywall. I had the builder use 2x6 for the wall plates, so I think I should be OK putting in the second set of “interior” studs. However, one major question I have is: how should I go about “finishing” the lower section of the walls? As you can see, the lower section of the walls is currently “open” to the eaves (i.e. the outdoors):









I think I’ll want to put some sort of backing in these spaces, on the “exterior” side. Because of the way the room is framed, though, I can’t think of an easy way to accomplish this. The obvious but tedious solution would be to cut individual pieces of plywood and nail them in between each pair of studs. However, this would be a huge, time-consuming pain in the butt. A friend suggested maybe using some sort of flexible material (e.g. Tyvek) that could be snaked through the framing and stapled in place. However, I am concerned that having such thin material there would compromise the soundproofing. (I will be putting some sort of insulation in the walls, though I am not sure what sort of material yet…) Anyone have any other ideas?
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post #2 of 24
Great space to build a theater!
I understand your thinking on the staggered studs but what about those two huge headers? In hindsight it might have been easier to use clips and channel for the side walls.

Are you planing access to your equipment through the bathroom? it would make you life simpler.

What about HVAC?
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I was thinking those headers could be a problem. Unfortunately, I was unaware that they were going to be there until the house was already built. I'm not really sure why the builder felt it was necessary to use those, they seem like overkill just to support the relatively small roof on top of the bonus room. But anyway, what's done is done. One upside is that I got an extra foot of ceiling height.

I guess I could still use clips and channel. I gotta put another set of studs up regardless, so I 'll be staggering them anyway.

re: equipment; yeah, the plan is for that little room in the corner to be the equipment room, which would be accessed through the bathroom as you surmised. It would have a rack/shelving and an an opening facing into the theater to allow access to the front panels of the gear, etc.

re: HVAC; the house has two AC units (actually heat pumps; I live in Florida), and one of the units was sized to be able to support the bonus room. That unit is currently servicing three small bedrooms in the main house; there's a damper and separate thermostat installed in the bonus room (it'll be a separate "zone").
post #4 of 24
Be sure to use true acoustical duct as it will help isolate the theater from the bedrooms.

see product 6M

http://www.flexmasterusa.com/Product...7/Default.aspx

And don't underestimate the cooling requirements for 10 of your Friends and the equipment.
post #5 of 24
On those extra spaces behind the side walls I wonder if this product would work. It is easy to work with and you could staple it up to the back of the various studs then put the insulation in the stud bays.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...cStoreNum=8125

post #6 of 24
I'm not wild about your riser design,

In fact you may want to do something like mine:





post #7 of 24
mvita,

Definitely a nice sized space. It is going to be a pain to retrofit a staggered stud wall in your case. Certainly possible, but awkward to fit each stub into place, one by one (would have been better to put the stubs in during initial wall construction, but of course you don't want to hear that!). I think if it was my space I would use resilient channels horizontally on the original stubs. This is almost a good as a staggered stub construction and given that there are no neighboring rooms to the sides seems like it will be more than adequate. I'm not sure of the depth of the channels but you may need to mount then to furring strips first to ensure the drywall does not touch the top and bottom plates.

I'm fitting my theater HVAC ductwork now and despite the fact that it is a complete separate zone you still need to take precautions to prevent sound entering the rest of the house. e.g. multiple 90 degree bends encased in MDF and no metal ducting..

Good luck.
post #8 of 24
I'm looking at your proposed floor plan:



And I'm wondering about the way you have the snack bar consuming 3 feet of your room length. What is right outside the theater door and backing up to the bathroom fixture wall?

The reason I ask is if you like the idea of a third row sit at bar it would help to have that extra length. As is you could do short wall behind the second row seating and put an 8-10 inch top cap or drink ledge on for a "Standing Room Only" section in your space for the big games!
post #9 of 24
If you flip the bath and the equipment room you can do an equipment rack / projection room which is pretty sweet from a noise floor perspective. Watch the throw ratios though, as it might be a bit on the long end.

Could also open up an easy install for communicating doors/airlock if you are really trying to boost the sound isolation. Often a tough sell though. Might be easier if it is a "lobby/projection room". Maybe really shrink the bathroom by getting on of those toilet sink combos:



Just thinking out loud. Nice big space.
post #10 of 24
I suspect the bathroom is pre-plumbed? how about a picture of that end of the room.
post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 
Wow, lots of great feedback here already!

Just to give a little more background... one the issues I had with the notion of doing a home theater is that my house is not a true "custom-built" house. The builder I used has standard models of homes that they build, and the "options" are fairly limited. So, for example, on my house they offer a standard "bonus room over the garage" option, but when I started to talk to them about things like stagger studded walls and so forth, I got lots of blank looks. If I tried hard enough, I could sometimes get them to deviate from their standard plans and procedures, but in a lot of those cases, they would go off and cost the modification, and the prices they came back with were often pretty outrageous. I did get them to make some minor changes to the bonus room (e.g. the aforementioned 2x6 wall plates, as well as eliminating most of the windows -- there is now just one minimum-egress sized window). Originally they were going to finish the room, but when I started making too many "bizarre" requests, they eventually said, hey, what if we just charge you less money and leave the interior of the room unfinished, and after you close you can do whatever the hell you want in there. In retrospect, I'm really glad it worked out that way, it's given me a lot more flexibility, and time to think things out more thoroughly. Which of course has led me to come here and ask you folks for ideas!

re: AC; thanks for the tip on the acoustical duct, that was one of the questions I had on my list to ask later. I'll likely have some other questions on this front; i.e. techniques or materials I might use to minimize sound leakage to the main house through the AC system. I've heard the tip about 90 degree bends that Moggie mentions, and I'd be intrigued to hear more about the use of MDF there. As for the capacity of the AC unit, I did discuss the planned usage of the room to the AC guy who sized and installed the system. I believe it's a three-ton unit, which in addition to the bonus room will be cooling three bedrooms that are roughly 130-150 sq ft each (hopefully that's enough cooling; seems like it to me, though I'm certainly no expert).

re: using that flexible insulation product as a backing on the side walls; that seems like a good possibility, it's a similar idea to what my friend suggested about using Tyvek. It certainly seems that it would be relatively easy to install, compared to the hassle of cutting and nailing plywood into each bay. My main concern with using a product like this would be the lack of "mass" making the walls less soundproof. Granted these are "exterior" walls, although that open space in the eaves is right over the ceiling of my garage, and there is currently no form of insulation there. Is there some kind of wall insulation I could use that would help "make up" for that lack of mass? Or am I worrying too much about that?

re: the riser; yeah, you can pretty much disregard what I have in that drawing, it's just something I threw in there as a placeholder. I haven't done any research into proper riser design yet. I'll definitely take a look at what you (and others here) have done.

BIGmouthinDC & dc_pilgrim: thanks for your feedback on the floor plan, those are some interesting ideas. I'm definitely not beholden to the layout of the snack and equipment areas as shown in my drawing. I'm particularly intrigued by the idea of maybe allowing for a third row of "bar seating" back there. BIGmouthinDC, in answer to your question: the bathoom/sink are indeed pre-plumbed, but the drawing is a little out of date; the plumbing is actually not along the back wall, but at the approx. location of the planned "opposite" bathroom wall (i.e. same area as the "back wall" of planned snack area). Of course, the plumbing could probably be moved if necessary. I'll take some photos of that end of the room and post them here.

Thanks again everyone for all the feedback so far, this is really helpful!
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
OK, here's a couple updated SketchUp shots reflecting the "actual" location of the pre-plumbing:








And here's a few photos showing the rear of the room, including the pre-plumbing. FYI the (open) door on the right is the stairway to the main house, and the (closed) door on the left is to a small room containing the AC air handlers (i.e. a noise source that I will need to contend with).






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post #13 of 24
I look at this space and see something along the lines of Art Sonneborn's theater.

A rough idea but could the wall with the door, be opened up? Then the staircase extended to elevate the floor to a new higher level which would become the floor level of the highest riser. Then a new wall with entry door built? (Plumbing runs and stacks would be offset using the space under the new floor level.) The av rack could be installed in the new sidewall, right outside the room. The bathroom entry door could flipped to the far side and access to the rack could be via the bathroom.

http://www.artsonneborn.com/html/chronicle.html

I also put the new entry landing to work with a built in media rack.
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post #14 of 24
I like the location of the bathroom and rack, but are you planning on putting anything else in the "equipment room"? If not, then that's 17.5 sq ft of completely wasted space. Make the bathroom more roomy and expand it all the way to the wall, and put a door behind the rack for access. There's no shower so no humidity issues. You could spread things out and even have room for a standing cabinet or something.

I'm not sure how far your neighbors are away, but staggered stud even seems overkill to me. I suppose now that you've done it, RISC clips might be deep enough to pull it away from the existing wall to make it flush with the bottom plate. Or actually, just drywall the walls as they are and put acoustical treatments that fill in the gap out to the bottom plate, and it could be used as a bottom furring strip.

Lots of options, but definitely a good thing that it wasn't finished - many wires, etc, to run between now and drywall time. If I "had to" have a contractor build my house, I'd make them have as much unfinished as possible.
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
Tedd -- hmm, the "elevating the floor" concept is interesting... how much elevation would be needed? Do I have enough ceiling height (9') to make it feasible?

miltimj -- actually, I don't have any neighbors at all at the moment; I'n in a new area, and the housing market tanked pretty much simultaneously with me closing on my house. But I probably will have neighbors at some point. And they will be relatively close... not sure exactly what the setbacks are offhand, but they are pretty minimal as I recall.

re: the equipment room; I didn't have any explicit purpose for the extra space in there, other than some vague notion about storage, etc. But I like your thought about possibly expanding the bathroom instead...
post #16 of 24
Art's upper level had seven and a half feet of headroom. The sheltered entry height, with the floor dropping away made the room feel expansive.

With a single riser, it should be easy to do. Great sightlines usually mean twelve to fifteen inches of riser height with a step between levels.

What's behind the closed door? Any chance to push a rolling av rack into that space (assuming the entry is occassional use only)? It'd open up the entry.

If you went with two rows, you could pull the seating back, and go with an AT screen up front. Just throwing ideas at you....

BTW, I pm'ed you with some details on metalised foil. It won't help with sound isolation but it might be a product you want to explore.
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post #17 of 24
Tedd, I'm not sure he could do that unless his hallway walking into the bonus room was a foot or more taller than the existing floor. It needs to start up high.. or am I missing something?

Mvita, I used to have grand visions of my next theater where I'd put a nice, large built-in storage rack for all the movies. Since then, I've been more eyeing a large disk storage array that I'd stick in a large rackmount case to store all my DVDs by ripping them, and have people just browse through the selections on the big screen, with much better sorting ability (sort/filter by genre? actor? year? rating? aspect ratio?...) and just pack up any DVDs I get after they're ripped.. Saves lots of room that way as well. I think you'd be much happier with a bathroom that doesn't seem like a very small walk-in closet.
post #18 of 24
One more thing.. especially if you're going to use my idea of expanding the bathroom.. be sure to plan, in any case, for active cooling in the rack space somehow. One option is routing the duct there and having a very good damper (open in summer to pull in A/C and closes tight for the winter), with another damper that can open for pulling outside air during the winter. Many people take an even simpler approach, especially if they don't have things on 24/7 in there (other than maybe a DVR).. by just running something like a bathroom fan that's thermostatically controlled. In any case, something to consider while there's no drywall up..
post #19 of 24
Yes, the floor starts up high, with two more steps added.

So just what is behind the closed (second) door? Is this attic access or access to the air conditioning/heating system?
post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 
Behind that second door is just a small closet containing the air handlers for the AC system.
post #21 of 24
So that does make Ted's suggestion possible. Framing out a raised floor in the entire back (also allows you to then reroute the plumbing anywhere you like, easily.. though if it's above a garage maybe that's already easy).. and you can walk in "already on the riser", and walk down to front row seating, ala Art Sonneborn's theater. Basically possible due to the tall ceiling, as Ted mentioned.
post #22 of 24
Not sure I'd give up the theater bathroom, but I'll toss this idea out there.

The plumbing stacks jog over using the space under the riser, and back, using the attic space. The bar would use countertop height bar stools for sightline over the second row of seating. The av closet would use a slide out rack with the temporary service track, for air handler access.

http://www.middleatlantic.com/enclosure/roll/axsm.htm
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post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'm going to try to create some alternative versions of my current SketchUp model incorporating some of the ideas that have been thrown around here. I'll post the results here for further comment / discussion.
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
Okay, I've got some revisions the to my original concept, incorporating some of the elements suggested here (thanks everyone!) I've posted some images of the revised layout in a new "design" thread here. I'd welcome any feedback or suggestions.
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