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post #61 of 92
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Hi,

I am so happy to hear that you purchased the Portraits! I think that either Denon will work well. They both have adequate power amplifiers 110W, 120W / ch. and can run a 6 Ohm load as stated.

-Matthew

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Originally Posted by Grapeape View Post

Thanks for the PM, you answered all my questions.
I purchased the Artison Portrait speakers today!; but as discussed, my Sony (8 ohm) receiver is probably not the best option, I will relegate that one downstairs to my childrens play room.
Will the Denon AVR591 or 1611 be Ok with the Portraits?
post #62 of 92
For those of you who are kicking around the idea of using Artison speakers, I'd like to share with you our experience with them in a living room of moderate size and less-than-favorable dimensions/wall space/acoustics.

We installed the Masterpiece LCR Dual Monos a couple of months ago, along with a pair of LRS on-walls and two RCC-600 "free-standing" subs paired with the RCC-600 amplifier.

First, let's talk aesthetics. The LCRs paired with my Panny plasma look amazing! We were desiring a clean look w/a high "wife acceptance factor," and this we have in spades! The LRS on-walls look great, too (ours are white), and blend in with our decor without attracting too much attention to themselves. The subs are hidden out of sight.

Now let's talk sound, which, of course, is purely subjective. First off, the LCRs provide a much broader soundstage than would seem possible given their proximity to the display. The center channel is right-on-the-money as the sound emanates between the left & right channels directly from the display, providing for very natural, accurate panning. Most centers I've listened to are easily localized as being above or below the display. We are very, very pleased with the sound reproduction, as are those who have experienced them. The surrounds are great, but the subs were the big surprise, and we've been very impressed with them. The looks on the faces of our guests when watching a movie tells us we made the right decision in going with the Artisons!!

We were initially driving all the speakers with a Marantz SR-8001 receiver, which did a respectable job, but simply wasn't powerful enough to satisfy my ear and the low-sensitivity of the LCRs as it would run out of steam in demanding passages. Now we're using an ATI 1807 amp (purchased used) and using the Marantz as the pre-pro. Now everything is right!!

For those who are trying to satisfy the family (wife), the Artisons would be very difficult to improve upon taking performance and aesthetics into consideration.

On a side note, Artison would do well to improve its website as it really doesn't "show off" the aesthetics of the LCRs when mated with a display. If Artison would have some photos of the LCRs with various displays in various colors (for the grills), sales would sky-rocket. I had to search the net to find photos from custom installs to show my wife how great they looked (I auditioned them in a custom installer's soundroom, but even he didn't have the grills on...sheesh!!!). Artison should also provide more details about its amps for the subs.

Hope this helps!!
post #63 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by seantheviking View Post

For those of you who are kicking around the idea of using Artison speakers, I'd like to share with you our experience with them in a living room of moderate size and less-than-favorable dimensions/wall space/acoustics.

We installed the Masterpiece LCR Dual Monos a couple of months ago, along with a pair of LRS on-walls and two RCC-600 "free-standing" subs paired with the RCC-600 amplifier.

First, let's talk aesthetics. The LCRs paired with my Panny plasma look amazing! We were desiring a clean look w/a high "wife acceptance factor," and this we have in spades! The LRS on-walls look great, too (ours are white), and blend in with our decor without attracting too much attention to themselves. The subs are hidden out of sight.

Now let's talk sound, which, of course, is purely subjective. First off, the LCRs provide a much broader soundstage than would seem possible given their proximity to the display. The center channel is right-on-the-money as the sound emanates between the left & right channels directly from the display, providing for very natural, accurate panning. Most centers I've listened to are easily localized as being above or below the display. We are very, very pleased with the sound reproduction, as are those who have experienced them. The surrounds are great, but the subs were the big surprise, and we've been very impressed with them. The looks on the faces of our guests when watching a movie tells us we made the right decision in going with the Artisons!!

We were initially driving all the speakers with a Marantz SR-8001 receiver, which did a respectable job, but simply wasn't powerful enough to satisfy my ear and the low-sensitivity of the LCRs as it would run out of steam in demanding passages. Now we're using an ATI 1807 amp (purchased used) and using the Marantz as the pre-pro. Now everything is right!!

For those who are trying to satisfy the family (wife), the Artisons would be very difficult to improve upon taking performance and aesthetics into consideration.

On a side note, Artison would do well to improve its website as it really doesn't "show off" the aesthetics of the LCRs when mated with a display. If Artison would have some photos of the LCRs with various displays in various colors (for the grills), sales would sky-rocket. I had to search the net to find photos from custom installs to show my wife how great they looked (I auditioned them in a custom installer's soundroom, but even he didn't have the grills on...sheesh!!!). Artison should also provide more details about its amps for the subs.

Hope this helps!!

I am glad to hear you are enjoying your system. Thanks as well for the testimonial.

I know that a gallery of installed products is being added for the next phase of the website. I would love to get copies of any photos you may have.

Thanks again,

Matthew
post #64 of 92
Hi Matthew!
Is RCC300SA sub amp still in the product lineup or has it been discontinued? Can this amp be used with a different manufacturers passive subwoofer?
Thanks,
post #65 of 92
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Originally Posted by vinodk View Post

Hi Matthew!
Is RCC300SA sub amp still in the product lineup or has it been discontinued? Can this amp be used with a different manufacturers passive subwoofer?
Thanks,

The RCC300-SA is a current product. We may be B/O currently but more are on the way.

I would advise against using the 300-SA with any other subwoofer. The amplifier is calibrated and setup for the specific load of the RCC300. The warranty of the amp would also be voided if used outside the RCC300 family.

Thanks,
Matthew
post #66 of 92
Hi,Maththew,
I foundthis thread by searching with google and registered to reply talk ing about your products.I had read all comments in this tread as I'm very interest to use your system in my new home.You made a hard work here to help the customers like me having some puzzles.
I ask some public questions first which many people would be commended or want to get some further informations:
1.You just mentioned that you suggested use your LCR speakers attaching to PDP,but not on wall,as there are not only aesthetic issue but also acoustic issue,such as wall-wart syndrome.wall bounce relection and baffle diffraction,etc.Or,the Stage tweeter will not work as well as your design. But,actually in normal home use, more and more people adapt the PDP or LCD on the wall directly. Then,we have to talk that although you attach the LCD Dual Mono Speakers to TV,but they will just like attached on the wall as the TV's position. How could we minimize those acoustic issues? Especially the TV sets now are thiner and thiner,the length between the speakers and wall will be shorter than before.Would you suggest not to attach the TV on the wall?
2.The second public question is about your Sub items. I saw a lot of positive user's review about your special Sub and amp. And,I know that a nice Sub is very important to your speakers as their special type.The question is how to calculate the power of your special Subs? Is there obvious different when we use it Free Standing or IW?
3. The third is popular question about receivers and amp to power you speakers. Have you some prefer AVR or Amp to suggest? Different AVR or AMP have different features and tech,just like the differents of speakers.So some people like to talk which AVR may be suit for A speakers,but not B speakers. Please talk about your suggestions for AVR and Amp which your products may be powered better.
I will send a message to talk about my personal system using your products.
Thanks and kind regards.
post #67 of 92
Does anyone know if Artison offer their Universal mounting bracket as a stand alone product? I have a project that this would would perfect for.

Also, Are there any B/M Artison retailers in the Northern VA area?

Thanks
post #68 of 92
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Originally Posted by gmrankin View Post

Does anyone know if Artison offer their Universal mounting bracket as a stand alone product? I have a project that this would would perfect for.

Also, Are there any B/M Artison retailers in the Northern VA area?

Thanks

Hi gmrankin:

We do have the mounting system available separately. Model number THIN-UMB, $175.00 /pr.

I don't see any retail stores in your area at the current time.

Thanks,

Matthew
post #69 of 92
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Originally Posted by plaszm View Post

Hi,Maththew,
I foundthis thread by searching with google and registered to reply talk ing about your products.I had read all comments in this tread as I'm very interest to use your system in my new home.You made a hard work here to help the customers like me having some puzzles.
I ask some public questions first which many people would be commended or want to get some further informations:
1.You just mentioned that you suggested use your LCR speakers attaching to PDP,but not on wall,as there are not only aesthetic issue but also acoustic issue,such as wall-wart syndrome.wall bounce relection and baffle diffraction,etc.Or,the Stage tweeter will not work as well as your design. But,actually in normal home use, more and more people adapt the PDP or LCD on the wall directly. Then,we have to talk that although you attach the LCD Dual Mono Speakers to TV,but they will just like attached on the wall as the TV's position. How could we minimize those acoustic issues? Especially the TV sets now are thiner and thiner,the length between the speakers and wall will be shorter than before.Would you suggest not to attach the TV on the wall?
2.The second public question is about your Sub items. I saw a lot of positive user's review about your special Sub and amp. And,I know that a nice Sub is very important to your speakers as their special type.The question is how to calculate the power of your special Subs? Is there obvious different when we use it Free Standing or IW?
3. The third is popular question about receivers and amp to power you speakers. Have you some prefer AVR or Amp to suggest? Different AVR or AMP have different features and tech,just like the differents of speakers.So some people like to talk which AVR may be suit for A speakers,but not B speakers. Please talk about your suggestions for AVR and Amp which your products may be powered better.
I will send a message to talk about my personal system using your products.
Thanks and kind regards.


Please find a PM answer to all of your questions.

Thanks,

Matthew
post #70 of 92
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Originally Posted by ARTISON View Post

Please find a PM answer to all of your questions.

Thanks,

Matthew

Hi,Matthew,
Thanks for your patient answers for my questions.I just begin to design my living room and HT systems.Just like your suggestion,I will set two RCC300 Sub.
Here I also face some problems:
1.The front Sub can not be placed in the middle of the front wall.I just can put it at the right side corner.The back Sub can be placed in the middle.Some reviews suggested the two Sub shoul be place in the middle of front and back wall.How to set them?
2.I just read your manual of RCC300 Sub.You metioned the two Sub should be settled and install both as in Prebuild Box or Infinite Baffles.In my case,I want put the front one as Free Standing,and the back one will be installed in the book shelf with your Cabinet Mounts.Please explain how to install the two Sub,and make your suggestions for the best position.
3.I want to use Intergra 70.2.Are there some specifications to talk for its set up?

Thanks!
post #71 of 92
Hello,

I emailed last Friday to Artison support as well as left a voice mail with no response regarding an ongoing problem with with the RCC 600 Amplifier. Per my my email I included the itemized repair for the previous fix of a board replacement a little over a year ago. The exact same problem is back with the popping noise and would appreciate it if someone would contact me regarding a solution.

Thanks,
David
post #72 of 92
Here is a short video on the noise the amplifier is making.

http://www.awp1.com/Artison.html
post #73 of 92
Hi Matthew,

Any word on the replacement amplifier? I know you guys are in the process of moving but I would appreciate a quick update via email when you get a chance.

Thanks,
David
post #74 of 92
???
I proceed my HT building project for matierials.Where is Mathew or other Artison official server?
As there are two tweeter at the side of Masterpiece LCR,does that mean I must use hard wall?Can I use some sound materials on the wall which the PDP and Artison speakers on?
post #75 of 92
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Originally Posted by plaszm View Post

???
I proceed my HT building project for matierials.Where is Mathew or other Artison official server?
As there are two tweeter at the side of Masterpiece LCR,does that mean I must use hard wall?Can I use some sound materials on the wall which the PDP and Artison speakers on?

Hi plaszm:

Sorry for the delay. I have not checked in on AVS in quite a while. The rear firing Stage Tweeter that reflects off of the back wall was designed using a drywall material as a reflective surface. You can use a mix of materials on the back wall and still achieve the effect. As long as the wall is not 100% absorptive you will be OK.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

-Matthew
post #76 of 92
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Originally Posted by ARTISON View Post

Hi plaszm:

Sorry for the delay. I have not checked in on AVS in quite a while. The rear firing Stage Tweeter that reflects off of the back wall was designed using a drywall material as a reflective surface. You can use a mix of materials on the back wall and still achieve the effect. As long as the wall is not 100% absorptive you will be OK.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

-Matthew

Hi,Mattew,happy and thanks for you back again.For this question,my home desingner designed a wood back wall for the tv.They wanted to put the PDP as In wall mode.How can I make it better,such as not in wall,or put some distance between the speakers and the side of the wood matierials.How many cm I should keep?

And,some previous questions in this thread:
Quote:


Hi,Matthew,
Thanks for your patient answers for my questions.I just begin to design my living room and HT systems.Just like your suggestion,I will set two RCC300 Sub.
Here I also face some problems:

1.The front Sub can not be placed in the middle of the front wall.I just can put it at the right side corner.The back Sub can be placed in the middle.Some reviews suggested that the two Sub should be placed both in the middle of front and back wall.How to set them?
2.I just read your manual of RCC300 Sub.You metioned the two Sub should be settled and install both as in Prebuild Box or Infinite Baffles.In my case,I want put the front one as Free Standing,and the back one will be installed in the book shelf with your Cabinet Mounts.Please explain how to install the two Sub,and make your suggestions for the best position.
3.I want to use Intergra 70.2.Are there some specifications to talk for its set up?

Thanks!
post #77 of 92
I just purchased a pair of Artison Portraits to attach to my Pioneer Elite monitor. My old pioneer receiver doesn't fit in my new media cabinet and needed to upgrade anyway.

Would the VSX-50 have what it takes to make these speakers sound great?

It doesn't have THX like my old receiver (and not sure if that is needed for great movie watching experience) but it will fit in my new cabinet! Also want to play some DVD audio so would like a receiver with the chops to do the job.

I have a 10" Velodyne sub and Atlantic Tech surrounds.
post #78 of 92
Did the design of the Masterpiece LCR's change? If so, when?

I purchased a pair of Masterpiece's with 2 x 5.25 inch midrange/woofers, 2 x tweeters, and one stage tweeter in 2007/2008. The magnets are in the back of the drivers. (is there a name for that?)

Thanks,
Scott
post #79 of 92
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Originally Posted by ScottHolt View Post

Did the design of the Masterpiece LCR's change? If so, when?

I purchased a pair of Masterpiece's with 2 x 5.25 inch midrange/woofers, 2 x tweeters, and one stage tweeter in 2007/2008. The magnets are in the back of the drivers. (is there a name for that?)

Thanks,
Scott

Hi,

The LCR\\UMB Series of products was updated in Q4 2010 to the Thinner LCR DM Series. All of the three models were given upgrades in terms of driver components as well as fitting the slimmer form factor TV's.

The speaker you are describing above is the M-LCR/UMB (Older Generation).

Thanks,

Matthew
post #80 of 92
I'm looking to buy 2 grilles for my Artison LRS in walls. Mine are a little beat up.
Any dealers in Massachusetts?
Thanks
post #81 of 92
Considering one RCC-600-FS to match our Masterpiece IWs. We're currently using a small Infinity 12 inch sub that we brought over from our old house. It's a little rattly and also physically bigger than the Artison (a big consideration for switching).

Our room is 20x20 with an adjoined 8x8 space. With an average ceiling height of about 12 feet, I think that means we have about 5500 cu feet.

We have no need for reference levels -- just nice home theater sound. (Music is handled through a separate two-channel system).

The one limitation we have is that the subwoofer has to sit off center from the screen (at the far left front corner of the room) and fire toward the screen.

Any thoughts on how the RCC-600-FS would perform in this setup? Would the bass be overly localized to that corner?

Thanks.
post #82 of 92
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PM sent.
post #83 of 92
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Originally Posted by rallykeeper View Post

Considering one RCC-600-FS to match our Masterpiece IWs. We're currently using a small Infinity 12 inch sub that we brought over from our old house. It's a little rattly and also physically bigger than the Artison (a big consideration for switching).
Our room is 20x20 with an adjoined 8x8 space. With an average ceiling height of about 12 feet, I think that means we have about 5500 cu feet.
We have no need for reference levels -- just nice home theater sound. (Music is handled through a separate two-channel system).
The one limitation we have is that the subwoofer has to sit off center from the screen (at the far left front corner of the room) and fire toward the screen.
Any thoughts on how the RCC-600-FS would perform in this setup? Would the bass be overly localized to that corner?
Thanks.

Sorry for the delayed response.


The RCC600 is appropriate for approximately 3500 cu ft, in round numbers effectively a 13.5" woofer. Your volume is skewed by the high ceilings which should not have a huge effect on performance other than reducing your compressibility of the room. You will get a gain effect from the corner loading of the sub which should compensate for the large room size a bit. You are more susceptible to room modes with a single subwoofer in the corner though and could be prevalent depending upon your seating position. I might look at adding a second sub in the room to even out the resposne even if you ahve to step down to the RCC300 system or if the Infinity sub sounds good with the Artison utilize both in the room.

Thanks.

-Matthew
post #84 of 92
I am looking at a pair of RCC-300SM subs built into a false wall for my future media room. Can you provide complete measurements for these items, including low frequency roll off (-3db points)? Just want to get an idea of how much augmentation I might need at the ultra low end. Thanks.
post #85 of 92
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Originally Posted by MDRbone View Post

I am looking at a pair of RCC-300SM subs built into a false wall for my future media room. Can you provide complete measurements for these items, including low frequency roll off (-3db points)? Just want to get an idea of how much augmentation I might need at the ultra low end. Thanks.

The RCC300-SM modules have a -3 dB down point of either 35 Hz (Movie Mode) or 20 Hz ( Music Mode). This is determined by the Mode selected on the front of the amplifier.

Thanks,

Matthew
post #86 of 92
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Originally Posted by ARTISON View Post

The RCC300-SM modules have a -3 dB down point of either 35 Hz (Movie Mode) or 20 Hz ( Music Mode). This is determined by the Mode selected on the front of the amplifier.
Thanks,
Matthew

Are you certain of this? Measurements of the RCC600-FS by Home Theater Magazine in Oct 2011 showed the following:

The RCC 600-FS’s close-miked response in Music mode, normalized to the level at 80 Hz, indicates that the lower –3-dB point is at 52 Hz and the –6-dB point is at 24 Hz. The upper –3-dB point is at 144 Hz with the Low Pass control set to maximum.—MJP
post #87 of 92
I have artison sketch speakers. What would be the best receiver for them? Thank you.
I was also thinking I would just go with a separate preamp/amp route, would that be better?
post #88 of 92
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Originally Posted by Robbi1121 View Post

I have artison sketch speakers. What would be the best receiver for them? Thank you.
I was also thinking I would just go with a separate preamp/amp route, would that be better?

In my opinion, a separate preamp and amp is way overkill for these speakers. I currently have the Portraits. I used to power them with a Rotel 1056 receiver. They sounded very nice. The Rotel crapped out after three years and I went with a mid-level ($500) Onkyo receiver. I haven't noticed any difference. The Onkyo does just fine and doesn't distort at higher volumes. That being said, I don't listen at rock-concert, ear splitting SPL's. Spending that much on a preamp/amp seems very disproportionate to what you've spent on the speakers. I'd rather spend $600-$800 on a good receiver with Audyssey MultiEQ and put the savings into the subwoofer or maybe another set of speakers for 7.1 or maybe just to save it.
post #89 of 92
I have the Artison sketch with a marantz sr5006 and just bought a new oppo 103. I tested out one of my bluray the other night and the sound is excellent with music and sound effects. However, there are times when the center channel is nice and warm where I actually believe the actor is in the room, but most of the time it sounds one dimensional. Is there any kind of tweak I can perform to get the very best possible from the center channel?
I'm also thinking of adding a new goldenear sub, will that add substantial difference to the system over a Martin Logan dynamo 300?
Thanks guy.
post #90 of 92
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbi1121 View Post

I have the Artison sketch with a marantz sr5006 and just bought a new oppo 103. I tested out one of my bluray the other night and the sound is excellent with music and sound effects. However, there are times when the center channel is nice and warm where I actually believe the actor is in the room, but most of the time it sounds one dimensional. Is there any kind of tweak I can perform to get the very best possible from the center channel?
I'm also thinking of adding a new goldenear sub, will that add substantial difference to the system over a Martin Logan dynamo 300?
Thanks guy.

First thing I would check is the polarity of the two center channels making sure both are wired together in parallel. If one side is out of phase that may cause a flat sounding center. It may be a DSP setting as well if you are using a 2 channel source that is simulating 5.1, you can look for different DSP settings that might make better use of the center channel.

-Matthew
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