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post #31 of 299
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Originally Posted by Berk32 View Post


Obviously it isn't for live events.

What if they did, who would stop them, not us!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is pure Idiocracy.
post #32 of 299
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

And if you are watching a football game in a sports bar - what do you need receiving/passing/rushing statistics from other games for - updated in real time throughout the broadcast?

What kind of real sports fan doesn't care about what's happening in other games around the league? You aren't interested to know whether a division rival is winning or losing? How that might influence which teams make the playoffs? Whether one player that you hate/like is having a really good game or a really bad game? Whether other teams are winning/losing because of offense, defense, turnovers, etc?

Most "real" sports fans seem to obsess about being the best armchair analyst among the people they know. That generally requires having some knowledge about how other teams and players play. Football is probably one of the sports where it matters less to some degree, but baseball or basketball? How do you hold a conversation about sports without knowing anything about what's going on?

But keep pontificating about imaginary fantasy nerd virgins rather than taking one second to consider that "real" sports fans obsess over stats all the time.
post #33 of 299
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

fantasy nerd virgins

Mind if I borrow that?
post #34 of 299
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Originally Posted by ncsu1 View Post



Although as a graphic designer I'll admit that I really like the look, I wonder when the "let's make everything look all shiny and glassy" fad will pass.
post #35 of 299
remember the SNL skit when the news anchors had to stretch to see each other with all the graphics on the screen:

"whats that there now ?"

"it looks like a picture of the terminator"


thats skits gotta be on youtube.... a classic.

ps - the yanks are losing (again) on that espn graphic above....sweet.
post #36 of 299
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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

remember the SNL skit when the news anchors had to stretch to see each other with all the graphics on the screen:

"whats that there now ?"

"it looks like a picture of the terminator"


thats skits gotta be on youtube.... a classic.

That skit was the inspiration for CNBC HD "+"
post #37 of 299
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Originally Posted by jpr281 View Post

Describe "late night." The pictures in the first post read 10:16 ET. I wouldn't call that the late night edition of SportsCenter.

Me neither, because it's probably the live morning edition.
post #38 of 299
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Originally Posted by Baldmaga View Post

Me neither, because it's probably the live morning edition.

The Yankees are playing in Cleveland at 10 am?
post #39 of 299
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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

ps - the yanks are losing (again) on that espn graphic above....sweet.

They've also got the Celtics beating the Lakers in the NBA semi finals, which is impossible.
post #40 of 299
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Originally Posted by jpr281 View Post

The Yankees are playing in Cleveland at 10 am?

Well, the information in the screenshot is just for show. There is plenty of things wrong with it.

The Lakers and Celtics played in the NBA Finals, not Semi Finals (which would be impossible as it is). They also wouldn't be crediting footage to Comcast SportsNet West in a game between those two teams. The Diamondbacks haven't played the Rays since 2006, and aren't scheduled to this year. The Yankees are paired with the Dodgers on the left side, while being in a game in progress vs. the Indians on the bottom line. And the bottomline and sidebar info is nearly identical between the two shots.

it is just a mockup, and the info inside is irrelevant. And if anyone thinks the score will be displayed on the side, while the entire highlight is inside that slanted box, they must not be thinking straight. The highlight is going to be shown in full within the graphical window, and probably transition into the screen you see there.
post #41 of 299
Too bad this doesn't carry over to SC, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1059567
post #42 of 299
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

Too bad this doesn't carry over to SC, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1059567

Aside from the fact that the changes talked about in that thread were almost universally hated, the concept doesn't apply to SC at all.
post #43 of 299
Just from looking at it, it's hard to judge anything without actually seeing the show. This just looks to be a long needed update to their insert graphics look which is circa 2003ish. The remote look in contrast was updated in 2006 with the advent of MNF on ESPN, the studio shows have fallen far behind because (1) they are still heavily DEKO dependent, and (2) Sportscenter (to my knowledge) apart from ESPNEWS is the only all-VIZ studio show on ESPN. I would imagine the LA studio was built as an all-VIZ facility, so this would make sense. What I would be surprised to see is if they completely replaced their 2004 Troika animation package (which was groundbreaking in its day) for a new animation look (which even after 5 years is still pretty fresh looking).

The other thing to remember is that for all the flack they get, most of the graphics gurus at ESPN, or that ESPN contracts are the best in the business and the graphics execs have been in the game since the old ABC sports days of the 70s and 80s. The other networks generally look to ESPN (or ESPN's contractors) when it comes time to integrate their look and if you pay close enough attention to just about everyone broadcasting sports, they're borrowing a lot of concepts. If you peruse the reels of some of these companies, Troika, Prologue, BUCK, The Syndicate/CafeFX, Reality Check, etc and see their resumes it becomes apparent that this isn't just 3 guys fidgeting in a room for new ideas, but some real high end talent at work, especially if you are savy enough to know the ins-and-outs of the motion graphics world, you quickly discover that the sports broadcasters (particurally CBS, TNT and ESPN -- NBC does almost everything in-house) tend to sit on the forefront of technology and design conceptualization. Much of innovation in television these days is being driven by sports. It's only genre that is competitive enough and has the money enough to make that happen.

Look at the new MLB-TV, their studio shows are almost a carbon copy of ESPN. NFL Network...same thing. NBC Football Night in America, visually mimics ESPN's style on highlights. I would suggest before people make up their mind they don't like something, let the show air first.
post #44 of 299
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Originally Posted by humdinger70 View Post

I saw the video - too long for the opening.

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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

Intro is waaaay too long. Lost interest after 20 seconds.

I'm pretty sure that's simply a sample of tease templates they can use for various video elements (SD/HD/Sound Bites. etc.) and won't be that long in a normal show.
post #45 of 299
Well this fantasy nerd (not a virgin), hates the graphic clutter too. It is ridiculous what the networks do to ruin our HD pictures. Sportscenter is unwatchable and has been for a long time and it doesn't have to do with graphics only.

Tracking stats and for that matter getting my sports news is what the computer is for, I don't need them bashed into my head on the screen. I was a real sports fan before Al invented the internet and will have something NFL related put in my coffin with me. I'm offended by the stereotype. :P
post #46 of 299
I don't know if this is too off topic but since we are talking about ESPN graphics, does anyone know why the scorebug isn't in HD on ESPN-HD? The picture is crystal clear but the 'ESPN' and the gold trim on the bar looks like it is still SD.
post #47 of 299
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Originally Posted by Hardcore Legend View Post

I don't know if this is too off topic but since we are talking about ESPN graphics, does anyone know why the scorebug isn't in HD on ESPN-HD? The picture is crystal clear but the 'ESPN' and the gold trim on the bar looks like it is still SD.

is this the bottom line or the scoreboard?
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I tweaked the BottomLine a little bit. This could definitely be done with ESPN's Real Time capabilities (it works fine on ESPNews and BBTN).
post #49 of 299
It occurs to me that the current BottomLine went live on Opening Day 2003 (as did ESPN HD). Any particular reason why ESPN seems to time these things with Opening Day?
post #50 of 299
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Originally Posted by Lkr View Post

is this the bottom line or the scoreboard?

scoreboard.
post #51 of 299
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

It occurs to me that the current BottomLine went live on Opening Day 2003 (as did ESPN HD). Any particular reason why ESPN seems to time these things with Opening Day?

ESPN often times things for the beginning of April or September. It's how they roll. It prevents a lot of changes midway through either baseball or football seasons. Since they usually tweak the graphics for the MLB playoffs and WS, it's not a big deal to have a look change then.

They do also occasionally introduce a new studio set before the end of a fiscal year for tax reasons - they can include that expenditure if it's used within that period.
post #52 of 299
I thought one of the side benefits of a bad economy would be some layoffs in the graphics dept at ESPN (or at least transfer some people from graphics to Tony Kornhieser makeup dept...that has to be huge. Don't want to see anyone lose their job). I'll go anywhere else but ESPN now for my sports info just because my HD plasma screen has been turned into my computer screen. People at ESPN don't seem to understand what HD-16x9 is all about.
post #53 of 299
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Originally Posted by Jeremy W View Post

They've also got the Celtics beating the Lakers in the NBA semi finals, which is impossible.

Not to mention winning by 27...in Overtime
post #54 of 299
I wouldn't expect wholesale changes to the look of Sportscenter anytime soon. Like I said this is probably just an updating of their studio insert graphics package, the new Sportscenter set in LA is almost a carbon copy of the one in Bristol (not two stories though), and it seems as if they've kept the Troika animation package intact (which wouldn't surprise me in this economy as animation looks are expensive, especially on a show with as many elements as Sportscenter). If you've paid close enough attention to some of the other studio shows bits and pieces of some of the new look have made their way into VIZ fullscreens here and there.
post #55 of 299
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You guys are bashing the graphics for being too busy... but do you really think it's going to matter? No matter what kind of graphics set they have they are still going to cram as much stats as they want to have into there.

And for those complaining about the intro being too long or the data in the images being kind of off, obviously they are just sample images and aren't from a show or anything... Wait until you see the show in the morning before judging...
post #56 of 299
I like how both teams are 21 and 32 and in the semi-finals.
post #57 of 299
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Originally Posted by evil View Post

I like how both teams are 21 and 32 and in the semi-finals.

The Knicks and Clippers are probably in the other semi final!
post #58 of 299
Have they switched it up yet? I forgot to check this morning.
post #59 of 299
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Originally Posted by machpost View Post

Have they switched it up yet? I forgot to check this morning.

The 9am SC Live is when it switches. Last night, the anchors made a bit of a slip, said the Monday, 1AM edition would be the first out of the LA studios. I recorded today's 1AM, but it was still from Bristol. I think they meant the Tuesday 1AM ET/Monday 10PM PT would be the first from LA.
post #60 of 299
The new look isn't bad. Basically updating the look that was already in place. I like how the lower thirds are much less dominant than they used to be. Everything is a little more Viz-ified, but it's not bad.
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