how to imitate Powerdvd9's True Theater Motion?

i second that..i would love to get this feature for blurays as well, i just bought a pioneer 8x bluray burner, i get REALLY nice upconversion for dvds PLUS "120hz"-like motion , on my 720p samsung 50" hp-t5064 plasma.. LOOKS absolutely stunning ( FOR DVD's),

But are we the only 2 people interested in getting the feature for bluray?

possibly a NEWER powerdvd patch later down the line? ( Crossing fingers )

This beats buying a new 120hz TV, I'll tell you that much.

anyone know of anything at all? for future possibility?

1080p/24 fps source if played on a 60fps capable display must use "smooth motion" 3.2 pulldown for the best possible quality. However, they will still exhibit judder since half of the frames will be displayed 3 time and the other half of the frames wil displayed 2 times.
The only way to eliminate judder is to use a 120Hz display that will display each of the 24 fps frames for the same amount of time by using 5:5 pull down where each frame is displayed 5 times since 5x24=120.

so im assuming the answer is " NO" powerdvd wont come out with a magical patch to use TrueTheaterMotion for BLURAYS as they are currently doing for DVDs. Correct?

Yes the answer is no.
Also even with regular DVDs 3:2 pull down is the best that can be done for any film based content by using inverse telecine to get 24 fps content from the DVD and applying 3:2 pull down with 60 fps output.

I think one of the issues with the frame-rate interpolation system used for DVDs is processing power. If you want to perform the same processing on a 1920x1080 signal as on a 720x480 one you need to process SIX times the amount of information.

Whilst some CPU/GPU combinations now have enough horse-power for the complex maths required to motion analyse and vector track image sequences in SD resolution, the computational requirements for doing the same for HD sources are still not really readily available.

There may also be some limitations as part of the HDCP protected video path process. Not sure.

Personally I hate the "faux video" look that these processed give to 24Hz film content - it is purely interpolation - it simulates a higher frame rate, but this is only a simulation. The temporal artefacts present resulting from the slow frame rate of film acquisition are still present - just smoothed out a bit rather than being removed. The processing also goes hiliariously wrong at times!

HAHAHAHAHAHAH.... I have seen this happen!

i have a core i7 Quad-Core overclocked to 3.7ghz with Hyperthreading ON, and a Nvidia GTX 295 Dual GPU Graphics Card..and 6GB of DDR3 memory @1653mhz, this has GOT to be more than enough for the processing power needed for HD content. As far as the funny processing? I havent noticed anything funny about it, lots of Frames are decently smoothed out, resulting in a " real-time" effect which Im really growing on and beginning to enjoy alot. I seriously think, this is the future of watching movies. It just takes some getting used to. But its definetly what " IN" right now. At least to me. And for those who dont like it. AT least you can simply" turn off" the feature

i don't have any players for watching movies i only use ffdshow with media browser, can i run powerdvd 9 from inside media browser? i definitely want to try this out.

they have a free trial, i might have to test it out.

Watch some fast-action motion sequences with CGI or compositing - the motion interpolation often falls apart completely. Explosions and very fast cut car chases are a good test. Some of the Bourne stuff is quite challenging - particularly with the constantly moving camera - which makes tracking fast moving objects within the frame (which itself is moving) pretty tricky.

I agree that you can always switch it off - which I do!

Films are shot with 24fps presentation in mind, so I chose to watch at that frame rate. Many TV shows are shot with 50/60Hz presentation in mind, so I watch those at that refresh rate.

We've had this feature in Europe for quite a while (because we've had 100Hz processing of 50Hz TVs since the mid 90s - it was common on high-end CRTs. 50Hz large area flicker is quite noticeable on big screens, so CRTs with 100Hz processing arrived here year ago) Digital Natural Motion and Digital Reality Creation - which gave 25Hz European film and "film look" video a 50Hz "video look" were both around during the CRT era. I guess because it isn't "the latest thing" and I've had time to spot its failings, I'm less impressed by it. It does give some content a high frame-rate look - but the compromises involved in a consumer level motion detection and tracking algorithm are still pretty noticable.

Effectively you are trying to ask a PC or a TV to do the same things as a high-end standards converter that a broadcaster will pay 10s (if not 100s) of thousands of dollars for.

I'm really grateful that 24p compatible displays that use 2:2, 3:3, 4:4, 5:5, 10:10 etc. are available - but I'd prefer movies to be shot at 50-300Hz if that is how we're going to watch them. Interpolation from 24Hz to a higher frame rate is still essentially informed guesswork - and I like to see the original pictures, not guesstimates.

I completely understand what you are saying about watching a "movie" the way its meant to be watched, which is how the film makers intended for them to be viewed. But in some cases i do enjoy the truetheater motion ( or the 120hz mimicking), I've seen a true 120hz TV, and i can say that powerdvd 9's truetheater motion looks exactly the same, and its doing it on "standard" 60hz tv's.

I watched Iron Man dvd last night with the effect on, I mean the effect gives me a "wow" factor! Very realistic in some scenes. But most scenes play "NORMALLY" which is good, because I wouldnt wanna watch the FULL length of the movie with the constant "motion enhancement effect". But i LOVED the way the motion was so smooth in for example a FLY OVER scene, like over buildings. It makes you feel like your there! Also the scene when the robots are putting on his new suit from head to toe.. makes it feel like you are there (in real time) as each part of the suit is going on.

Some love it some prefer not to have it. My thing is, i wouldve loved to have gotten the effect on the much sharper hi-def blurays. Would just mak ethe experience that much better.

Not all 120Hz TVs are capable of or display 24fps content using 5:5 pull down therfore they will still exibit Judder when thenyconvert 24 fps content to 60fps using 3:2 pulldown.

I wish there was a way too. The interpolation looks awesome for animated films and documentaries.

PowerDVD and WinDVD both have this feature, but is there any way to play saved files like .avi on them and use it? Or do they only work with DVDs?

It would be cool if PS3 had an update that would allow this.

I can't post you a direct link due to forum limitations so google: Avisynth Script for doubling video frame rates and you'll get a thread on this forum that deals with exactly what you are describing.

This should be what you're after. I use it for all blurays and mkv's and it looks fantastic. It makes my 2 yo Samsung plasma with no motionflow technology look like the latest model. It also blows people away when i watch flicks on my 720p projector. The latest script from bhan yuki is prob the best but i am still tweaking. Cheers, T

For those that live in Europe and have TVs capable of 50Hz or 120Hz processing playing of 1080p/24 BlueRays can be done without Judder. For Those us in the US with TVs that only refresh at 60Fps there is no solution for live content

I always got alot of artifacts from all the stuff in that thread. Not to mention, can't get 1080p to play smooth on a 3.8ghz core2...


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1025800

Yes, PowerDVD 9 has an integrated MC plug-in; however, I'm not positive all the advanced (such as true motion) featuers work in the plug-in. I use PowerDVD9 with Media Browser, but I've never tried activating the true motion.

Don't be so sure...

But you can try if you want:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ight=mvflowfps


I certainly hope not.

Saving Private Ryan is utterly destroyed by FI.

Just decoding a codec and displaying a HD video, sure, but when you get into on-the-fly processing where the CPU only has milliseconds to perform what it has to, this compounds upon the processing power required. This is why re-encoding a video to perform interpolation, deinterlacing, upscaling, motion vector, etc, can take half a day, whereas if you are only converting the format it may only take an hour. Try squeezing all that processing into real-time and you're talking about a super computer.

How are TVs able to do frame interpolation on everything then?

specialized processor.... CPU's aren't designed for that. I would imagine a GPU could probably do it though.

Solarfall,
JR is referring the CPU power and time to perform a complete conversion and re-encoding of 24fps to 60fps content and all of the sub-processs required. He is not implying that a fairly basic process such as interpolating 2 60fps frames to create an additional frame for use on a 120HZ display requires a large amouunt of CPU or GPU power.