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post #31 of 3869
Just a comment from a ''fence-sitter'' between the Pio 05/51 and the Oppo...right now I'm leaning toward the Oppo. There seems to be (still) reliability issues with the 05/51. When HD DVD first came out I purchased XA1 which froze so many times that I had to return the unit. Frankly I don't want to go through a repeat of this. As much as I wish the Oppo was released yesterday, I do appreciate the time taken ''get it right'' the first time. And, I might add, although money isn't an issue for me, I do want to spend the money wisely (and at the same time make a good case for my decision to the wife!) Anybody care to comment on this, please feel free to do so. Thank you.
post #32 of 3869
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Originally Posted by abba1 View Post

Just a comment from a ''fence-sitter'' between the Pio 05/51 and the Oppo...right now I'm leaning toward the Oppo. There seems to be (still) reliability issues with the 05/51. When HD DVD first came out I purchased XA1 which froze so many times that I had to return the unit. Frankly I don't want to go through a repeat of this. As much as I wish the Oppo was released yesterday, I do appreciate the time taken ''get it right'' the first time. And, I might add, although money isn't an issue for me, I do want to spend the money wisely (and at the same time make a good case for my decision to the wife!) Anybody care to comment on this, please feel free to do so. Thank you.

See post #28.
post #33 of 3869
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This is a significant issue for a lot of us who rely on netflix and blockbuster for our blu rays. Blu rays seem to be more sensitive to dust, nearly invisibly scratches and the alike.

Amongst my blu ray players, I have found the lg bh200 and pioneer 51 to be the most sensitive to dirty or slightly scratched disks. The Pioneer has been most disappointing with netflix to the pt i have to wash them.

The panasonic has been the most resilient. I do not remember a disk that has had an error message.

As for the oppo, I have only had it in use for about two weeks, but it has seen a least a dozen netflix discs (both sd dvd and bd) in that time. I have not had an issue, but the jury is still out in respects of time.
post #34 of 3869
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So on the SD upconversion, again I am not done but I am sure the Oppo does a better job but its not alot, the 51FD does a good job too but the Oppo is a tad better.

Everything that I've read about the Pioneer 51FD (and I've read all the threads, including the ones that are long gone) is that the SD playback is rather poor. I'm surprised to see someone comment that it's neck in neck with the Oppo. Are others seeing this as well?
post #35 of 3869
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

As for the oppo, I have only had it in use for about two weeks, but it has seen a least a dozen netflix discs (both sd dvd and bd) in that time. I have not had an issue, but the jury is still out in respects of time.

The beta group has been playing rental BDs since Sept 08 with no problems.
post #36 of 3869
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Originally Posted by Majestyk View Post

Everything that I've read about the Pioneer 51FD (and I've read all the threads, including the ones that are long gone) is that the SD playback is rather poor. I'm surprised to see someone comment that it's neck in neck with the Oppo. Are others seeing this as well?

The Pio fails a number of de-interlacing tests that the Oppo does not. There are more detailed comparisons available in the Oppo thread.
post #37 of 3869
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Originally Posted by abba1 View Post

Just a comment from a ''fence-sitter'' between the Pio 05/51 and the Oppo...right now I'm leaning toward the Oppo. There seems to be (still) reliability issues with the 05/51. When HD DVD first came out I purchased XA1 which froze so many times that I had to return the unit. Frankly I don't want to go through a repeat of this. As much as I wish the Oppo was released yesterday, I do appreciate the time taken ''get it right'' the first time. And, I might add, although money isn't an issue for me, I do want to spend the money wisely (and at the same time make a good case for my decision to the wife!) Anybody care to comment on this, please feel free to do so. Thank you.

You just explained part of the reasoning for buying a BDP-83. Spending your money wisely should be the slogan for OPPO. They offer the best product in it's catagory for the money paid.
At the same time, if there would happen to be any glitches with the player that could be solved (after it's released for sale to the general public), you can bet your bottom dollar that OPPO will work diligently to amend those problems with warranty/service/support/firmware upgrades.
That is more than we can say for a lot of other players out there. Those companies pretend to support their products, but will do everything they can to shuck whatever responsibilty off that they can. I can't say the same for OPPO. They are dedicated to helping their customers get what they want, and build a solid reputation with service and quality products.
Wait for the OPPO, you won't regret it, and your wife will love you for it.
post #38 of 3869
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Originally Posted by Majestyk View Post

Everything that I've read about the Pioneer 51FD (and I've read all the threads, including the ones that are long gone) is that the SD playback is rather poor. I'm surprised to see someone comment that it's neck in neck with the Oppo. Are others seeing this as well?

People who say those kinds of things are people who do not have the experience and/or knowledge to see the difference. Sure, if you throw in a disc that is mastered/edited/transferred very nicely, then they could like just as good as the BDP-83 most of the time. However these cases are few and far between, and where there are complex cadences, bad edits, and those sorts of things... that is where the VRS processing in the BDP-83 kicks into high gear and the deinterlacing weaves it's way through most problematic discs much better than other chips do.
To find the truth in these types of things, look for PROFESSIONAL reviews of the products you own or want to buy. Most people think that the info will come from the end_users, and a lot of times it does. However for the more complex features, you'll want to seek advice form those "in the know", and when you can find a more professinal review of the product, you find a reviewer that will usually put the player through a torture test to find it's strengths and weaknesses.
As rdgrimes has already stated, the deinterlacing is what sets the VRS processing apart from Reon and others like it.
post #39 of 3869
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Originally Posted by Majestyk View Post

Everything that I've read about the Pioneer 51FD (and I've read all the threads, including the ones that are long gone) is that the SD playback is rather poor. I'm surprised to see someone comment that it's neck in neck with the Oppo. Are others seeing this as well?

In real world use, the Pioneer 51FD is a very capable upscaler in its own right. This is said based upon units with 1.25a firmware. I find it equal in capability to the reon chip.

It is very good, but not the excellent rating i would bestow upon the oppo. the oppo is still in a nascent stage and has lip synch issues in the spirit of complete objectivity.
post #40 of 3869
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post


James,

In my initial comparison between the Oppo BDP-83 and the Pioneer BDP-51FD; I stated that speed would not be a determining factor effecting which player I would keep. However, once I began my testing (I have one monitor) and having to switch between the 2 players; the SPEED of the Oppo quickly moved up the food chain. I only recently sold the Pioneer, because once it became the wife and kids primary player they couldn’t tolerate the speed or lack of speed of the Pioneer. You can read my comments on the Oppo BDP-83 owner’s thread at the following posts: #1521 & #1978

My Setup:

- Denon AVR-3802, using 7.1 analog connection
- Pioneer Elite 950-HD 42”
- I sit about 8 feet from the monitor

Willie


Willie, we all have different needs and priorities. Ive been thinking things over and I am still unsure if I am going to buy an Oppo. I do know this, I am very lucky to have been able to test one absolutely free of charge. As of right now id say this, the 51FD is a fine player , the Oppo is only a hair better in SD PQ. But that could change with the testing I have to do yet.

Now if I was in the EAP and bought the Oppo for $499, I would bet that I would come up with 75 reasons that I love the Oppo.
Being that is not the case for me, I can only come up with a few, its fast as hell and it has slightly better SD upconversion. That is it.
The Pioneer is nicer to look at and just feels like a better built product.

I think I can just hang onto the Pioneer for a year and wait for the next generation of BD players to come out and go from there, or I can buy an Oppo. I don't know for sure yet as I still have some testing to do.
post #41 of 3869
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Originally Posted by Majestyk View Post

Everything that I've read about the Pioneer 51FD (and I've read all the threads, including the ones that are long gone) is that the SD playback is rather poor. I'm surprised to see someone comment that it's neck in neck with the Oppo. Are others seeing this as well?

Pioneer firmware version 1.17 or maybe 1.21 dramatically improved the SD playback. While Pioneers SD playback is no slouch; I would still give the edge to the Oppo.
post #42 of 3869
I had the Panny BD55 for 5 months and I was then selected to the Oppo EAP 50.
I only use it for BR and DVD playback and I will tell you the extra $100 or so is well worth it.
It is much faster, better user interface, much better bass management, crossover at 80 Hz (recommended for my system by SVS) on the fly menu changes, Neat Demo mode to make pic adjustments, far superior Multi analog outs , and great support where you are a person not a number.
I loved the Panny, I truly did, but the Oppo really blows it away. The old saying holds true here "You get what you pay for".
post #43 of 3869
James; I will be very inetersted in your final results / testing. Have any idea when that will be?
post #44 of 3869
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Originally Posted by abba1 View Post

James; I will be very inetersted in your final results / testing. Have any idea when that will be?

mañana
post #45 of 3869
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Pioneer firmware version 1.17 or maybe 1.21 dramatically improved the SD playback

This would be the reason for the discrepancy from what I've read (from people that do have experience and/or knowledge to see the difference) since I dropped away from the Pio thread just before firmware 1.17. Thanks!
post #46 of 3869
bakerwi,

Before selling your 51FD did you get a chance to compare the 7.1 analog audio between the 2 players? I'm also using 7.1 analog to a Denon 3802 and was curious how the Oppo stacked-up against the Pioneer.
post #47 of 3869
Same here.

I've got the Pio 51 and am considering the Oppo 83.

I'm using analog outs and the feature that's most important to me is how the two player's analog outs compare.

Could someone who "only" uses analog out please comment.
post #48 of 3869
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Same here.

I've got the Pio 51 and am considering the Oppo 83.

I'm using analog outs and the feature that's most important to me is how the two player's analog outs compare.

Could someone who "only" uses analog out please comment.

I have only compared two channel analogue output (i bitstream to onkyo 906 for dvd/bds, but play cd two channel into onkyo).

I believe two channel audio (onkyo on direct or pure) sounds better from the wolfson dacs in the pioneer. the acoustics in my room aren' perfect and my polk towers are not the highest end speakers...this is a tough call, but i would subjectively give the nod to the pio.
post #49 of 3869
any load time comparison's between the Oppo and the Panny BD60 or 80? Are we talking a few seconds difference or "many" seconds difference?
post #50 of 3869
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Originally Posted by toca View Post

any load time comparison's between the Oppo and the Panny BD60 or 80? Are we talking a few seconds difference or "many" seconds difference?

Does the Panny 60/80 load as quickly as the 35/55? If so, the oppo is much quicker (greater than 20 seconds). I will try to time a few disks later on.
post #51 of 3869
The new Panny models are too new for any comparisons to have surfaced yet. Someone who owns a BDP-83 (of which there are only about 400 in the world), would have to make a direct comparison.
Against the competition already compared to, the OPPO is quite fast, pretty much in line with the PS3. If I had to gues, I would definately guess in the OPPO's favor.
post #52 of 3869
Initial boot time to tray eject is a difference of 10 seconds. The real kicker is actual disc load times, in which you are talking about half the time on the BDP-83.
post #53 of 3869
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Originally Posted by toca View Post

any load time comparison's between the Oppo and the Panny BD60 or 80? Are we talking a few seconds difference or "many" seconds difference?

You can see load times compared to the PS3 in the FAQ: How fast are the load times?

The PS3 has generally been acknolwedged as the fastest loading player. You'd have to find equivalent timings for the Panasonic models to compare.

-Bill
post #54 of 3869
my question was a bit unclear, but I guess the first thing to know is the difference in load times between the 35/55 and the 60/80. Not 100% sure, but I have heard it hasn't changed much if at all.

And Neuromancer, if the disc load time is that much different (and coupled with the boot/eject time), that is an important factor (for me) and goes into the "pro" column when trying to determine if the extra $$$'s is worth it.
post #55 of 3869
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

You can see load times compared to the PS3 in the FAQ: How fast are the load times?

The PS3 has generally been acknolwedged as the fastest loading player. You'd have to find equivalent timings for the Panasonic models to compare.

-Bill

Thanks for the link Bill. Be nice if there was a similar chart for the Panny 35/55 and even the Sony's and Samsung players.
post #56 of 3869
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Originally Posted by toca View Post

Thanks for the link Bill. Be nice if there was a similar chart for the Panny 35/55 and even the Sony's and Samsung players.

thanks for putting one togehter toca! ha!
post #57 of 3869
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Originally Posted by toca View Post

Thanks for the link Bill. Be nice if there was a similar chart for the Panny 35/55 and even the Sony's and Samsung players.

I had a Panny BD-30 and the Pioneer BDP-51FD is faster in most cases. I also have an Oppo BD player for review. It is stupid fast. I have no doubt that it is the fastest player on the market.

Although being that my BD-30 was slow and the 51FD is as well ive gotten used to the speed and it don't bother me.

One thing is for sure , the 51FD KILLS the BD-30 in SD playback the bdp-83 kils the BD-30 as well but it does not kill the 51FD however it does do a better job.

I am leaning towards not buying an Oppo.
post #58 of 3869
James, what size and resolution is your display?... if you don't mind me asking.
post #59 of 3869
Here is a ''go for broke'' question...those of you with deep pockets (i.e. Sony 5000, Denon 3800 and Pio 09 owners): are there any opinions on how these models stack up against the Oppo 983/83 in terms of AQ, PQ or any other category???
post #60 of 3869
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

James, what size and resolution is your display?... if you don't mind me asking.

I said what it was in my post above , and there is a picture of it as well.


Pioneer Elite PRO-151FD professionally calibrated plasma HDTV

If you are not aware of this display , it is a 60" , my eye to screen distance is 9' , I measured it with a tape measure so it is exact.

Many believe the 9th Generation Pioneer Kuros (mine is a 9g) are the best displays that have ever been made.
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