Oppo BDP-83 or 83SE versus other blu ray players thread - Page 128

Its funny how you PS3 fanboys do not address the serious benefits which the Oppo offers in your comparisons with the PS3 including, inter alia -

1. all audio and video outputs active simultaneously all the time

2. easily modded for region free playback with native NTSC/PAL 50/60hz output as needed

For those with space constraints, the PS3 form factor makes it impossible to stack conveniently with other AV components in a rack; never mind the serious heat emitted which requires huge amounts of rack space.

By the way, even some of the professional comparisons said they used the default settings on the PS3.

So the comparison seems rigged.

You need to change some of the settings by pressing triangle when a standard DVD is playing.

I like how you Oppo guys keep bringing up the limitations of the old FAT ps3. Seriously hasn't the ps3 slim been out for a year?

ps3 SLIM even has hdmi-CEC control which is amazing.

Any DIY region free mod kit available for your slim?

Can you hook up your slim via component to one display and via HDMI to another display and then run optical/coax audio to a receiver - and have all output simultaneously?

BTW, what do you have stacked above your PS3 slim?

What methodology would that be?

PS3 plays Blu-Ray = to Oppo when using HDMI out.
PS3 plays PS3 Games
Oppo 80/83 play DVDA and SACD
Oppo 83 has 7.1 analog out
Oppo uses IR for remote control


Each has it's advantages, some people will be fine using just the PS3. Those that won't are those that want to use the analog audio out, the DVDA SACD functions, or an IR remote (without buying an additional piece of equipment).

I own a BDP-83, because I want to be able to run my amp for bedroom speakers, and my receiver, playing both the same thing from CD/SACD/DVDA. PS3 cannot do that.

Amazon says -


Hmm....the 980 disappeared from amazon just like this.

What the heck?

PS3 Slim has HDMI-CEC

I use my 3D plasma's remote control to control my PS3 slim. It has play, pause, fast forward etc. etc.

You do not even need to buy a Sony TV.



AGAIN

you need to adjust the three filters when a standard DVD is playing on the PS3 slim. And once its set, its permanent.

Read the AVSFORUM ps3 faq

Btw, does Oppo play 3D movies? PS3 Slim will this month with a firmware update. Most likely September 14.

Why don't you address the specific points of comparison I made in Post #3798? And yes, my PS3 is properly set up.

even with the proper settings on the ps3, the oppo beats it with the upconversion.
the oppo can also change settings during the movie and also change the level on the subtitles. 3D is not going to matter much if its fails.

Jacob

Have any proof?

I did address most of those issues.

For example, once again

I can use the IR remote control of my 3D plasma to completely control my PS3 Slim. And my TV is not even Sony.

ps24eva,

Stop trolling or do the comparison yourself and report back. Unless you have access to both players and can do your own comparison I could care less about an unsubstantiated opinion. There have been many posts from members who actually own both players, but you are apparently not one of those members. This is an Oppo comparison thread. Again, if you have a hands-on comparison please provide it. If not, just move on or return to the PS3 thread. You disrupt this thread with a meaningless agenda.

"Btw, does Oppo play 3D movies? PS3 Slim will this month with a firmware update. Most likely September 14." If this is a today question then neither player plays 3D.
It is irrelevant whether or not the Oppo plays 3D since it was not an advertised feature of the player. What other stand alone player introduced in 2009 plays 3D or is upgradeable via a firmware update.

Last, I just hooked up my son’s PS3 and adjusted the 3 filters as you suggested. The Oppo is still a better DVD player than the PS3. Is there anything else you would like me to try? Maybe I can compare analog, SACD or DVD-A playback.


Willie

So you are admitting you WERE ignorant of these settings before I told you about them

I have access to both, and I put the upconversion of the PS3 Slim on the same level as Oppo 83se or slightly ahead.

Also speaking of opinion, its OPINION that puts the OPPO ahead of the PS3 Slim, because so far I have not seen a professional comparison with the correct settings on the PS3.

What ate these filters you all are talking about once you set them you can't change them? I've search around and can't find anything unless your talking about the filters you can change during a movie like macro-blocking or whatever they are called.

Me thinks some otherwise intelligent gentlemen may be allowing themselves to be sucked into a vortex of animosity.

...which will draw the attention of moderators who will eventually lock the thread.

Remember, people:

• Most things posted on the internet do not require additional comment.
  
• No one will remember who got the last word.
  
• To the extent that people do remember you, it is because you were (a) extra clueless, or (b) especially well informed and helpful.

-Bill

So how about addressing these ones from post # 3186?

1. Any DIY region free mod kit available for your slim?

2. Can you hook up your slim via component to one display and via HDMI to another display and then run optical/coax audio to a receiver - and have all output simultaneously?

3. BTW, what do you have stacked above your PS3 slim?

you could always report the troller.

Jacob

PS24eva has left the building.

You rang?

Ok enough with the bickering, though given the thread's purpose, that's going to be a tough thing to contain.

So, I'll make it easy.

Continue bickering and I'll not only close the thread but suspend the members responsible.

NOW.. go forthwith and have intelligent conversations.

And if you see someone bickering or trolling or trying to draw you into an argument, just respond with "See post 3832"

Has anyone had hands on experience comparing these 2 players for strictly BluRay video performance? I currently have the BD55 (been very happy) but very curious if it's worth spending the money for the Oppo.
thanks

Maybe you have mentioned it before, but I might of missed it, but,
1. >what is your display and size?
2. >And how far do you sit from it?

Also, you have a 83SE? The only reason to get the SE model is for the upgraded analog audio section (the SE model will upconvert video just the same as the non-SE), which would require (usually) a pretty decent audiophile-like set up (especially speaker wise) to notice the difference between the SE analog out (to a pre-amp>amp), vs. just letting your HT receiver doing the DAC conversion and decoding. So,
3. > what amp/preamp, or at least, what speakers do you have?

Maybe with this context, I (and others) can better understand your situation...

I had the Panny 55. I had troubles with mine from the beginning so I probably have a different outlook on the two players then most. I have the Oppo 83 now and there is a difference in clarity, the colors seem to be more vibrant and it's a much fast player in regards to loading times and the tray opening and closing. I've even noticed more depth to the picture compared to the Panny 55. I asked my neighbor to come over and take a look at the picture and she noticed the difference right away, even my wife did. Being able to access the setup menu at any time is a big plus for the Oppo also. I haven't tried the analogs out on in comparison to the Panny so I can't comment on that. I say it's deffinetly worth the upgrade.

SNSGUY

I own a panny dmp-bd30. I've had it for about 4 years. It runs throught an onkyo tx-sr-805 which outputs to a oppo 720p dlp projector (hd-65) I'm sure I will move up to a 1080 model some day. I also have a sacd/dvd audio player. I have had my eye on an 83 for some time. I like my panny but the load times are pretty slow. I have skimmed this thread to try to figure out if it would be a siginicant upgrade from my player to the oppo 83. I'm leaning toward getting one. Anyone care to push me over the fence?

I have the BD30 as well and recently bought a BDP-83SE. The load times are faster thats for sure but if you just using the BD30 for Bluray (no DVDs) then I think the BD30 would be fine. I got the 83SE for 2CH audio and SACD/DVD-A playback as well as excellent BR and DVD playback. I just think the BD30 is a great player and I never had one issue with it.

I was in Wal Mart today and actually saw a BD30 for sale at $199.00. It was sitting on display with no box or accessories. I looked at it and thought it was a more recent model then looked closer at the face plate. I still can't believe a model such as the BD30 which has to be a 3-4 year old unit was for sale at such a crazy price.

Bill

But remember he's outputting to a 720p display, so the player will have to scale 1080p down to 720p, and in that case, I can imagine the Oppo should shine against the BD30. I also doubt the Optoma HD65 will scale better either.

Of course once he moves up to a 1080p PJ, blu ray will be displayed natively and in that case the BD30 will be fine as you've said. Also, any DVD playback will benefit from the Oppo too.

I had the panasonic 30, then the 60 then the 80 and now the 85. I am familar with the panasonic brand. the oppo player is much better. the player has such a great ease to it.

Jacob

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Very good points. I have a Panasonic Plasma (768?) and I should put the BD30 back in my system to compare a few BR discs. I personally did not notice any gain in PQ when I put the 83SE in my system but maybe a more direct comparison will show it.


I agree. I was using the BD30 for BR (passthrough with my 886) and my Toshiba A2 for DVD using the Reon in the 886 to help clean up the picture.

Bill

Theres no doubt the BDP-83 is a better player when compared to the BD30. When comparing features its not even close. But if just used for BR the BD30 is a good player and a less expensive alternative to the BDP-83.

Bill

Thanks guys. I know about the better load time which would be nice. I use my panny for br only and am wondering if I would see a noticable inprovement in pq over the panny. So far it sounds like with the 720p I would but with 1080 not so much. Is that true? Any one notice more vivid colors, better black levels etc?