The "Official" Onkyo TX-SR607 Thread - Page 84

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Originally Posted by mikevoth 

Onkyo TX-SR607
Klipsch RB-61 II bookshelf speakers on stands
Klipsch RW-112 sub

New here. Have a 607 sound question. Ran the audyssey sound setup, but the sound is too quiet and the sub is non-existent. Is there a better way to set up the speakers manually?

Using original Mic on Tripod?

Set Sub Volume knob to 50% and any frequency knob to max. before Audyssey calibration.

Small room?

Check Dynamic Volume setting

Yes, you can setup manually ... just go down the list.

What source material are you using as a test? I watch DVD and Blu-Ray movies around 50 volume.

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Originally Posted by bodhi78 


Tesla,

I'm looking for EDID overide solution for the SR607. I have Acer Revo 3600, with latest NVIDIA driver, connected to the SR607. However, the Audio support format does not show HD audio format, only Dolby 5.1. I've learned that it could be EDID problem, and an overide is needed. Do you get HD Audio formats on your HTPC? did you have to do EDID overide so that your HTPC uses correct HD audio formats?

TIA

Not yet as far as I can tell, but I'm pretty sure it's a limitation of XBMC Eden v11. Frodo v12 is just released, but I haven't upgraded yet. I created a full Blu-Ray rip of my Avatar BD (33 gb with DTS-HD lossless) that I am testing with.

EDID Override? No, the Gefen unit is just there to "fake-out" the HTPC when the Onkyo and everything else is off. Works perfectly.

It's my understanding, to get HD-Audio to work from HTPC (or media player) you need:

1. Properly encoded source file
2. Hardware support (for me AMD Radeon 5xxx ... they say yes it does)
3. Software support (for me XBMC)

... and HD-Audio support at the decoding device (which we both already have with the Onkyo 607).

If I was you, I would be looking real close at Acer Revo 3600. Do you guys have a forum? Even WD-TV SMP only support Dolby True-HD ... DTS-HD gets core 5.1 only.

I'll try to remember to post back here when/if I get it working. Maybe you can do the same. However, we have very different Input machines. The Onkyo 607 can't be the problem because all HD-Audio formats play fine from HDMI connected real Blu-Ray player.

Personally, I hear very little difference between good 5.1 and HD. To me, it's just the extra little Rear channel.

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Originally Posted by bodhi78 

Thanks Tesla,

I'm pretty sure the Acer Revo 3610 (sorry about the typo in my post, it's actually 3610) with latest NVidia drivers can support HD Audio. Some XBMC members have got it to work long ago with MPC. I've just installed XBMC Frodo, hence am testing it with a Blu-ray rip MKV. The Onkyo lits up its DTS Master LED when I play the video using XBMC, but the video FPS is slow to a crawl and no sound. I've did all I could with troubledhooting instruction from XBMC forum, but one thing I have not been able to do is the EDID overide, I'm still looking for the inf file.

One more thing: the Nvida Control Panel showing the TX-SR670 correctly. But Win 7 sound device does not show any of the HD audio format supported, only Dolby 5.1.

-bodhi

Ok, well then our systems are pretty similar (except you have nVidia and I have AMD) ... but really, that's a pretty big difference.

If Onkyo 607 is lighting up DTS-Master then I think it's getting there. But maybe due to HDMI lip-sync ... if video is broken then audio can't play.

Are you running DXVA2 and WASAPI ? Not sure what new HD-Audio looks like yet or new recommended settings.

I think EDID override would be to fix Onkyo 607 (the way it looks to HTPC) but we know Onkyo 607 plays 1080p and HD-Audio fine because real Blu-Ray players work fine.

Again, look at Revo 3610... nVidia chipset and drivers. Not Windows because there is no decoding there (it just sends bitstream to Onkyo). Not even on-board sound-card because nVidia HDMI is in complete control.

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Originally Posted by prosete 

Was told the 607 came out when 1080i was predominant resolution ...

Now that I use 1080p for all my video sources, apparently the 607 board has problems tuning in and it can take several minutes for the handshake to complete the signal.

When it's broken, I suppose.

I have always had 1080p sources and have never had a problem with them and the 607.

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Originally Posted by bunyan69 

I'm curious, how do we update the firmware on these units?

You play a firmware CD-DVD into them via SDPIF. But really, on the Service Centers are suppose to do it. You can brick it easy.

There isn't an important update as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 

I just moved my 7.1 speakers around (to center on the new projector screen) and re-ran Audyssey calibration.

Movies and music sound great but ... is 75 really max. volume? Can any of you get it up closer to 99?

Max on movies sounds best around 50-55 ... but for music and concerts I would like to see if I could go higher (speakers are still pretty good and sound like they could handle more). The room is fairly large.

Well, the 607 is still going strong. Not a single problem and we use it 24/7 and I drive it pretty hard sometimes.

I moved all my old speakers to Exercise Room, and bought a whole new set of Polk-Audio speakers for the main room (and re-ran Audyssey).

I'm pretty sure my max volume is still 75, but I just tried (on a DolbyDigital 5.1 concert) and I was afraid to turn it up past 65. The sound was still clear and defined (and obviously very loud) but I was not afraid for the speakers ... more like a window or my ear-drums.

So, that's not a problem any more (not being loud enough for me). 

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Originally Posted by nilsvoss 

Fix broken Display on TX-SR607 . There could be a second failure when Display is not working:

Here is the link to: http://www.hifiengine.com/library/onkyo/tx-sr607.shtml
 

Thanks for posting this. I don't have this problem, but someone else earlier in this thread did. Without having it on my bench, I thought it might have been a display-tube cold-solder-joint or driving display voltage problem.

Thanks for the introduction to HifiEngine.com and the true Onkyo 607 Service Manual.

I have published some similar consumer electronics component and/or board level repairs. I never really know the best place to post them. I have posted some here and on ElectronicsPoint.com . Would you agree that HifiEngine.com is the best place for such postings?

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Originally Posted by JSmithBama 

I've read several pages of this thread and see that some are having issues with power-up after the unit is off overnight. I'm having a similar issue and was wondering if anyone could give me some input on this...I've posted on a couple of other boards until someone suggested this site, so I'll paste below...

I'm having an issue when my components have been powered down overnight or for several hours. I have a Samsung 55" LED 6150 Series Smart TV, a DirecTV HR24 receiver and the Onkyo TX-SR607 (along with a 5.1 surround system). When turning the components on it will take 5-10 minutes before I get audio/video. I have the Dolby PLII, PCM, HDMI and Audyssey indicators in the display when first powered up and after the 5-10 minute range, the Dolby Digital symbol will begin flashing and when it remains solid, the picture and sound will come on and the display indicators on are Dolby Digital, HDMI, DSP and Audyssey.

When I turn the Onkyo on independently and use the tuner function, my radio presets will work (I have sound) immediately.

I know the video for the TV comes on immediately because i can get a picture when I try to use a Smart app via the TV remote.

I do have a 25-30' HDMI cable that was pre-installed in the walls.

After the components (TV, Onkyo, DirecTV) have been on (with picture and sound), I can turn them off and back on after a few minutes and the audio/video comes on immediately.

We recently moved and I was having no issues with the receiver previously although I was using a different Samsung TV (LN52A650) and only had a 4" HDMI cable from the TV to the receiver.

I also removed the receiver from the setup and connected the DirecTV receiver directly to the TV via the same HDMI cable (after the components had been off overnight) and I immediately get audio/video. I then changed the cables back to their original configuration and once again had the 5-10 minute delay before I had audio/video.

Would this be an indication that the HDMI board is going out on me (as I read in some of the posts here)? Thanks for any insight...

Well, the Onkyo should never be unplugged or powered all the way off. It should be in "Standby" (to allow remote to turn it on). It also helps if it's turned on first before others (like with a Harmony sequence). You could try turning on HDMI-CEC (RIHD) and that should keep the HDMI board powered-up during Standby.

As far as the rest, the new long HDMI cable is a likely suspect. Get yourself a heavy gauge (22-24 awg) high-speed (v1.3b or v1.4) HDMI cable (conventional, not RedMere) and run it across floor to test.

You could also get a couple of similar 10 ft ones and bring the components together somehow. Test the TVs HDMI port directly-into with a Blu-Ray player or DVR. Do similar testing with other devices and ports and find out what definitely works to start eliminating possible sources of problems.

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Originally Posted by JSmithBama 


I failed to mention I do use a Harmony 880 and the receiver is in standby mode, not totally powered off. It is sequenced and does come on before the other components with the Harmony. At this point, I don't see how it can be the cable when hooked directly to my DirecTV receiver, both audio and video come on immediately (taking the Onkyo totally out of the loop)?

About the Harmony and power-on sequence, good.

I was very specific about the tester cables. Not all HDMI cables are the same, or can handle the bandwidth (1080p video and HD-Audio). Over 10 ft. in length tends to start showing problems if lesser is used.

Direc-TV stream is likely lower bandwidth.

I was trying to think of a way for you to start testing stuff without spending much money and start eliminating items as proven working. If you have more money than time, buy a new AVR and have BestBuy come install it for you.

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Originally Posted by JSmithBama 


I appreciate your time and insight Tesla. I'll contact the AV guy who does all the installs for this builder and came back to install my surround sound and calibrate/hook up everything. He comes highly recommended but he did mention he normally doesn't install Onkyo's and has very little experience with them (he mentioned when he buys a receiver for a customer he normally uses Yamaha. I'll ask him some specifics on the HDMI cable type. I may even get him to come back out and test the cable installed now and go from there.

The cable was just one of many possible things it could be. What you descibe is not normal (obviously) so something is broken somewhere.

Yes, a qualified AV tech should be able to fix it. Good Luck. I would be interested in hearing what the problem was ... knowing might come in handy one day (I currently support 5 systems for myself and family members). 

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Originally Posted by nilsvoss 

Hi Tesla1856,

Here we go, It was the first time for me to use a forum this way.
So i think I am not the right one to ask.

I found the fixes, I think one of them where from you, and like to give something back.

Normally I am little divided about writing in forums.
Often people don't think of what they are writing, but they expect you to solve there problems without think themself.
Don't get my wrong, I like to help, but some ask you to solder......or ask how a cold soldering look like. Hmm......not so easy.

I think both the AVSforum and hifiengine looks a little better for me. that's why give back my info's.

Maybe some would like to see my fan solution?? easy and working, don't even get handwarm.
But you have to hear louder........;-) I should buy a quieter one.

Off topic: Do you like the design of the receiver....? Normally I have electronic from the broadcast/postproduction sector (not highend!!!), but some of the onkyo eletronic designs, seems a little spooky to me....I took my minutes to understand the concept of the powersupply to the display. And I don't know where they buy there resistors. A died resistor of 2.2 Ohm without being black? Never seen.!
But i understand that this all has the be cheap to sell it, and on the other hand, 7 poweramplifiers, a dolby decoder and a complete Video section with scaling for that price....

So like in all good forums, I posted a lot without giving any informations.....Yeaha..;-)

So everyone is now allowed to roast me........

Regards Nils

PS.: Some Informations:

HDMI sucks Depending on cable diameter, source and receiver, everything is possible....in my configuration it is running with a 10m cheap cable with the sr-607 and a benq-1070. In my oppinion quality of HDMi-cable is NOT depending on price. Outer diameter of the cable gives sometimes informations of the awg of the wires, thats more important than nice gold plated connectors (pins are always gold plated.....)
(it is like goldplated spdifcables.....;-)))
 

There are many of us that can read complex schematics and solder (properly) hole-thru and even SMT, so it's good for us to be able to chat somewhere. I like using my skills and recycling ... it's not always about saving money.

It's strange that Onkyo decided no fans. Obviously, it was because of the noise. But the heat is a killer and the 607 gets buring hot (as do other similar amps). It only takes a small fan to turn burning hot into luke-warm. I use Antec Veris AV Cooler. Even at max load/volume ... luke warm 607. Can't hear it at 6 feet away. Thought about adding thermo-control, but I think it would run 100% of the time anyway. On my Panasonic HE-200, I just added a PC case fan (attached to the top).

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1149887/panasonic-sa-he200-avr-overload

Sure, show your 607 fan mod. Maybe here if external. Maybe over at HifiEngine if internal?

Pretty sure, Onkyo saw the errors in their ways, and added fans to x09 series.

Yes, failed resistor is very un-common. Bad but not burnt ... really rare (never seen that either). You must be really good to find that. Yes, some of this stuff is under-built these days (really only barely working).

I used to be against HDMI also, but now (well, since 607 purchase years ago) I love it. Plus, it can do stuff like high-bandwidth signal Blu-Ray and much more. Cables are not magic and not all are the same. I know from past training and experience ... thicker cables/wires (lower gauge) is better and becomes more important as length increases ... even with digital signals like HDMI. Also, proper soldering/crimping/shielding, etc.

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Originally Posted by nilsvoss 

1. I will take a picture with my mounting. But it is only a 80x80mm Fan and a piece of sheet metal.
2. The good thing was, that the universal port has 12V powersupply, so can take out that board, solder the two cables of the fan to it, thats it, really no rocket science.
I don't use the Universal port, so I think the 90mA from the Fan are really ok to handel....

3. Yes the place of the HDM is strange two, directly over the powersupply/heatsinks....seems to be, that they put the hdmi-board to an existing design....
4. If have seen many dead caps in the past on digibeta-Recorders, which are used in postproduction area, some they smell like a long dead fish....
 

5. And a good way to check if they are broken, is to use a hairdryer (drieer? I am from germany please be gracious to me..)
Make them warm, thats the way they are working again ( not al long time!!) than cool them down with cold spray to check wich of them is the weakest....

6. I think the broke soldering will come from the rohs compatible Pb free soldering.
Yes normal one will break, but only when they have mechanical stress, and I promise, I never took out and shaked it, never!! And i didn't use it in my car, but that sounds like a good idea.....


7. Did your heart about hdbase-t 2k over a single cat 6 or 5 cable up to 100m (on full resolution).....I have one and it was quite amazing, just pluged it in with 45m patchcable (there was no longer!!)
And running! not cheap I bought the extender on a ebay china store, think it was about 120 euros....maybe 150 us Dolllars....

What I don't like on HDMI is the official 5m length restriction. this is nothing, and even when you don't have a projector, its not much.....thats what I am blaming. I have made VGA and Component connections up to 45m without equalisation....



Regards Nils

1. Would be cool to see pics. Inline temp control would be nice also. Seen cheap temp units at AV Cabinet Cooler sites. Did you find a nice quiet fan (I'm looking for future AV cooling needs).

2. Nice find. I don't use the Universal Port either, but I think that's where the iPod or HD-Radio attaches. I wonder if we can leave UP connected and tap 12v in parallel (since fan is under 100mA)?

3. Agreed. Onkyo 609 got a fan ... limited by volume, not temp controlled.

4. Seems to be industry problem. I find bulging and leaking chinese ones. Replace with good-name Japanese

5. Yes, I use cold-spray and my ESR-checker

6. I hate lead-free and think it causes problems over time. Hope they work it out or stop using it.

7. No, I did not. However, I use this for 1080p and HD-Audio (works perfect) "45ft 22AWG CL2 Standard Speed w/ Ethernet HDMI Cable" from MonoPrice. Actually, complete HDMI run is 57ft.

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Originally Posted by JSmithBama 


The issue at this point seems to be the Onkyo itself. I tried an HDMI signal booster per Onkyo support's suggestion and it did not help. I actually moved the receiver back to my original setup configuration (52" Samsung and DirecTV DVR) with a 4' HDMI cable (same setup I was using before we moved 6 months ago) and it's still taking approximately 10 minutes to come on. I guess another call to Onkyo will be in order tomorrow as I'm not sure what to do next.

Agreed ... if those 4ft cables are good.

You could also try connecting the DVR HDMI directly to the TV ... that should check your HDMI Outputs and Inputs. Maybe the Onkyo got damaged in the move?