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post #361 of 481
Audio cutting in/out problem workaround:

For the audio cutting in/out problem when using HDMI and the Centronics ZAT 502 HD, I used the component (not composite) + stereo R/L connections. Mine was particually bad when using HDMI, and I would often actually lose the video along with the sound for a split second. I know this setup gives only 720P max, but that is all my old 32" Samsung LCD HDTV w/analog tuner will do in any case - so it makes no difference to me.

I know this requires 5 connections instead one, but suitable all-in-one cables are available and it appears to be a valid work-around for the problem.

Yes, HDMI should work corectly. Unfortunately it doesn't appear this is a true statement with the Centronics ZAT 502 HD unit. Still I don't think there is anything else out there equivalent to it for the money. Even with it's faults, the ZAT 502 may still be your best choice.

LMyer
post #362 of 481
Their phone system was haywire apparently.
Nevermind on what I said about Centronics RMA process previously.
Seems to be going fine now that I finally got through.

Only thing that isn't good is their website RMA, it doesn't seem to work.
post #363 of 481
To get the best sound, can I set the sound options on this box to PCM and my receiver for the TV input to PCM for the best possible sound?

My subwoofer doesn't appear to be firing properly. Right now I have it at AC3 and auto on my receiver.
post #364 of 481
I just got one of these the other day. I set it up using the HDMI out put to the projector but I am not getting HD. It is only showing the SD when I turn it on. I know should be getting a HD signal because I have a Flat panel in another room also an when they are both set on the same channel the flat panel show HD but the projector only shows the standard.

Is there something I am not doing right?
post #365 of 481
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Originally Posted by Mark Leiter View Post

I just got one of these the other day. I set it up using the HDMI out put to the projector but I am not getting HD. It is only showing the SD when I turn it on. I know should be getting a HD signal because I have a Flat panel in another room also an when they are both set on the same channel the flat panel show HD but the projector only shows the standard.

Is there something I am not doing right?

Heh, never mind I figured it out. Turns out the projector had it's aspect ratio set to auto. It looks like it thought the antenna was giving it a SD signal. When I forced it into 16:9 it snap into the correct setting. Looks like a HD feed to so I guess its OK.
post #366 of 481
Does this unit offer a "native/pass-thru" output resolution mode?
post #367 of 481
Still haven't received my RMA unit, starting to get befuddled and a bit PO'd.
post #368 of 481
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Does this unit offer a "native/pass-thru" output resolution mode?

If it does I have not figured it out yet. I just have it set to output 1080i right now and things look good.
post #369 of 481
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

Does this unit offer a "native/pass-thru" output resolution mode?

If it does I have not figured it out yet. I just have it set to output 1080i right now and things look good.
post #370 of 481
Hoping for a little advice here. My situation is that I want to get rid of DirecTV. My television is a (commercial model) Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK which does not have a tuner. The television has HDMI and component inputs. HDMI is currently used by my DVD player, component by DirecTV receiver. Both devices hook to my Onkyo receiver with optical. So I am thinking I can basically replace my DirecTV receiver with this ZAT 502 HD, hooking up the freed up component and optical. My question is whether this is the best solution to receive OTA HD for me? Are there competing products that are similar but less expensive? Will there be any problems with OTA SD? Does it come with an antenna? If not, is there an antenna that pairs well with it?
post #371 of 481
For tuners, the ZAT502 and its clones are probably the best choice. There is also an HD DVR you could get instead, for viewing and recording OTA in high def.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Channel-Ma...Specifications
The DVR has an on-screen guide that is very similar to a satellite TV guide.

I would use the TV's HDMI connection on whichever device (OTA or DVD) you plan to watch the most, use component for the other device.

Tuners do not come with an antenna, so you'll need to buy one. What kind you need depends on where you live and where the TV towers are nearest you. For antenna help, post questions in this thread.
post #372 of 481
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Originally Posted by tinsley View Post

Hoping for a little advice here. My situation is that I want to get rid of DirecTV. My television is a (commercial model) Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK which does not have a tuner. The television has HDMI and component inputs. HDMI is currently used by my DVD player, component by DirecTV receiver. Both devices hook to my Onkyo receiver with optical. So I am thinking I can basically replace my DirecTV receiver with this ZAT 502 HD, hooking up the freed up component and optical. My question is whether this is the best solution to receive OTA HD for me? Are there competing products that are similar but less expensive? Will there be any problems with OTA SD? Does it come with an antenna? If not, is there an antenna that pairs well with it?

I think the ZAT 502 is the only cost-effective solution.

The ZAT502 works better for me through component than through HDMI (see my other post) - so yes, you can certainly use HDMI for DVD and component for the ZAT 502. You will be limited to 720P with component, but I seriously doubt if you would ever notice the difference between 720P and 1080p in a HD TV broadcast (or DVD either). There is a point of diminishing returns with HD video and all depends on the bandwidth being used by the broadcaster. The real benefit of HDMI is one cable.

No problems with OTA SD.

No antenna come with it. I like the triangular shaped indoor antennas. I have 1 Philips and 1 RCA. I never plug in the power supply or extend the rabbit ears and they work fine to receive all 13 of our local digital channels within 20 mile radius.
post #373 of 481
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Originally Posted by lmyer View Post

You will be limited to 720P with component

I don't believe this is correct. Try the HD/SD button on the remote, it should cycle through the various resolutions, 480i, 720p and 1080i
post #374 of 481
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Originally Posted by DAP View Post

I don't believe this is correct. Try the HD/SD button on the remote, it should cycle through the various resolutions, 480i, 720p and 1080i

Mybad - I just looked it up and component can indeed do 1080i (but not 1080P). I thought I read sometime that 720P was the limit. Times must have changed since then.
post #375 of 481
i bought the tuner and an optical cable for the audio but i am getting sound out of my fronts, center and 2 surrounds using only hdmi. i read on here that is not the norm - so is there a reason to keep the optical?
post #376 of 481
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Originally Posted by iamjason View Post

i bought the tuner and an optical cable for the audio but i am getting sound out of my fronts, center and 2 surrounds using only hdmi. i read on here that is not the norm - so is there a reason to keep the optical?

Well, that is what it is supposed to do, but some people have had trouble with sound through HDMI.

They may have fixed something in the firmware.

Could you go to menu->info->system information and report the versions it says it is using?

On my system I get:
Product: ATSC STB
Software version: 11142008
Hardware version: 8519-NOSA
Loader version: 4273

I don't know if I have audio problems on HDMI since I have no device that will accept audio over HDMI.
post #377 of 481
Is a successor to this model coming out? I see the $70-$80 quotes at the beginning of this thread and today's prices disappoint me. $120 seems a bit steep. Used Ebay prices are what they were new a year ago. Great sign of quality but not really logical.
post #378 of 481
OK, forget about my last post. I caved and got a DTV-5000 anyway.

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Originally Posted by DAP View Post
This tuner does not handle aspect ratio of standard definition TV properly. Every channel seems to have its own aspect ratio of anywhere from 4:3 to 9:16 (that right a tall skinny vertical rectangle) with most channels coming up with close to 1:1 aspect ratio. Some but not all of these can be fixed by switching to SD mode.
I'm seeing the same problem.

Anyway, I upgraded from an HTL-HD to the DTV-5000. This thread is a ghost town, but here are my impressions:
  • The sensitivity and tuning on the DTV-5000 simply blows away the HTL-HD, which has a 4th-generation tuner. All of my channels are coming in perfectly now in what I assume is the worst room in the house for multipath. My days of fiddling with my antenna are over. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if the majority of negative feedback regarding antennas is actually a tuner problem.
  • The HTL-HD had a black-level setting called Expand. The DTV-5000 does not appear to have this so I had to turn down the brightness considerably to regain decent blacks.
  • The SD aspect ratio problem is annoying but most of the OTA SD channels we watch are only stretched slightly. The only channels squished are the overcompressed sub-channels with weather maps. At least reception is rock solid. I'll get used to it I guess since these boxes seem to be going out of style.
  • Love the guide. The HTL-HD did not have this since it was disconnected from the dish.
post #379 of 481
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Originally Posted by DAP View Post

Well, that is what it is supposed to do, but some people have had trouble with sound through HDMI.

They may have fixed something in the firmware.

Could you go to menu->info->system information and report the versions it says it is using?

On my system I get:
Product: ATSC STB
Software version: 11142008
Hardware version: 8519-NOSA
Loader version: 4273

I don't know if I have audio problems on HDMI since I have no device that will accept audio over HDMI.


my versions are the same as yours. i have not had a chance to watch it much at all so the issue did not come up. today i was setting up my harmony remote and the sounds, while was working at 5.1 was cutting in and out (out more than in) when using the hdmi - so i hooked up the optical that i decided to hold on to and it now works great in 5.1 - not sure why the hdmi sound issue as it can work correctly but i am not sure about the cutting in and out - oh well the optical is a great work around.
post #380 of 481
"Simple Guide" on DTV-5000HD is really simple. I just get the next 2-5 shows (depending on the OTA channel) for the channel I am watching, thats it. Any other way to get a Program Guide that would show info for other channels?

Product: ATSC STB
Software version: 03312009
Hardware version: 8519-NOSA
Loader version:4513
post #381 of 481
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Originally Posted by srk0629 View Post

Any other way to get a Program Guide that would show info for other channels?

www.titantv.com

www.zap2it.com
post #382 of 481
To anyone still wondering great little unit I hook it up to my Optoma HD66 way better results then I could hope for the reception is great. I ordered it from Centronics and it came 4 days later best place to order from if you ask me.
post #383 of 481
Wow, if my google-fu is up to snuff... this is the only stand-alone ATSC tuner on the market that does hdmi and 5.1 audio in some form. All other models seem to be discontinued, missing hdmi, missing 5.1 sound, or are multi-purpose products with other features that I don't need. For instance, the kworld tuners offer hdmi via a dvi adapter, but only stereo sound.

Is this really the case or am I missing another option?

It must be that there are so few projector owners who want only a tuner instead of a tuner with DVR and other functionality. I'll be upgrading from a zenith HDV420 for the sole purpose of gaining hdmi output. Currently I'm stuck with component converted to hdmi by my receiver, a denon 3808ci.

Component seemed ok until recently when I purchased a plasma for another room and did a comparison of its tuner to the zenith STB. The component output of the STB was definitely less detailed and the colors were duller. Solution? Apparently I am required buy the only atsc tuner on the market with hdmi and 5.1 sound.
post #384 of 481
In the tread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...08#post1431208 there is a listing of a few, of which the PHD-8VX (http://www.epvision.com/HDTVSTB/phd8vxmain.htm) does do what you are looking for.

Bit more expensive, though I am probably going to go with the PHD-8VX since it has multiple 4:3 'zoom' modes and will also do NTSC. Nothing to scientific yet, just seems a bit more bang for the buck upon initial observation.
post #385 of 481
Thanks for the info. I might have bought that one but already went with the zat502.

The zat502 is definitely better than my older zenith hdv420. It gets a couple stations that the old tuner couldn't. Blacklevels are way better now with hdmi instead of component.

The downsides are: the menu system is surprisingly ugly. The white text on blue background is low res and clunky. The biggest problem so far is that there doesn't seem to be a way to delete a channel after autoscanning.
post #386 of 481
I have a PHD-205. It's okay, but looking to try an alternative. I see the ZAT 502 HD and the DTA1100HD only do OTA. For the same price, right now, you can get the Digiwave DTV5000HD, which does both.

Are there any other tuners that do OTA and QAM besides the following 2? Also, out of these 2, does anyone have a comparison?

EPVISION PHD-205
Digiwave DTV5000HD
post #387 of 481
Quote:
Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

I have a PHD-205. It's okay, but looking to try an alternative. I see the ZAT 502 HD and the DTA1100HD only do OTA. For the same price, right now, you can get the Digiwave DTV5000HD, which does both.

Are there any other tuners that do OTA and QAM besides the following 2? Also, out of these 2, does anyone have a comparison?

EPVISION PHD-205
Digiwave DTV5000HD

The ZAT502HD does OTA or QAM. The problem with it is that it only has one memory, so one must re-scan channels when switching between them. Not very convenient.

I believe all three devices you mentioned are the same thing with different branding. That is why they are all covered in this single thread.
post #388 of 481
Hello:

I just picked one of these (electronic Master DTV5000HD) up at the local factorydirect.ca store. Got it home....and no manual inside! And nowwhere to be found on the internet at all through a google search.

Does anyone have a link?
post #389 of 481
Quote:
Originally Posted by windsorite View Post

Does anyone have a link?

I attached some manual pages for the Centronics to my post #69 of this thread. Will that help?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16657487
post #390 of 481
Has anyone had luck getting a denon remote to learn zat502 functions? The remote for my denon avr 3808ci refuses to learn almost all of the zat502 functions. So far I've got channel up/down and the menu button learned by the denon remote.

If not, what learning remotes have people got to work with the zat502? Seems like I might end up spending almost as much on a learning remote as this tuner cost in the first place.
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