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post #571 of 648
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post



A little humility is good for the soul and the audio system!

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No soup for You!

Anyone else care to add a thought?
post #572 of 648
Here's my thought: I agree with Arny.

Guess I'll not get soup either. It's tough being an engineer.
post #573 of 648
Good deal on this one @ Audio Advisor.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=2PAC2100
post #574 of 648
Not sure if I should buy a paraound 2100 or P7. Just received salk soundscapes floorstanding 7's and they sound very good. My equipment I have are oppo 95,onkyo 885,parasound 1200mk2 amp, and a B&K 200.7 S2 amp. I also have a Denon 4311 that I might sell and a Marantz 8004 integrated amp for the bedroom. Using the analog section of the 885 and parasound amp and the analog of the oppo 95 for 2ch. I tried using the denon analog section and oppo and prefered the other setup. Any suggestions would be great.

Thanks in advance

Michael
post #575 of 648
I've owned the 2100 and now the P7. The P7 is a much better analog preamp with a very nice phono section as a bonus. The P7 is very transparent sounding, and I can turn the knob up a good bit past listening level, with no music being played, before hearing much noise from it. I felt the 2100 had a more warmish, colored sound.

The only thing I miss on the 2100 is that I didn't have to turn it on to get Home Theater Bypass when using my surround receiver. I don't miss it much. I listen to a lot more music than I do watch movies, so sound quality is the most important thing to me.
post #576 of 648
Thanks for the feedback. Called parasound and they are coming out with preamp P5 to replace the P3. I think you will have a choice of color (silver and black), sub out, and usb dac for downloading music. Maybe they will come out with a new 7 channel preamp.
post #577 of 648
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Originally Posted by aasen7 View Post

Thanks for the feedback. Called parasound and they are coming out with preamp P5 to replace the P3. I think you will have a choice of color (silver and black), sub out, and usb dac for downloading music. Maybe they will come out with a new 7 channel preamp.

I've been waiting for the P5 for quite sometime! Looking to replace my 2100 with it to match my Halo A21 amp:). Did they give you an ETA or price range?
post #578 of 648
P5 will be $1400. From limited info I can get, units expected to start shipping soon so I imagine availability maybe mid to late Spring? I have been waiting for a 2 channel HALO ,especially in black, with HT bypass to replace my 2100 also. Will be avaiilable in silver too. Hope this helps. Finally!
post #579 of 648
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

P5 will be $1400. From limited info I can get, units expected to start shipping soon so I imagine availability maybe mid to late Spring? I have been waiting for a 2 channel HALO ,especially in black, with HT bypass to replace my 2100 also. Will be avaiilable in silver too. Hope this helps. Finally!

Excellent news, thank you sir!
post #580 of 648
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Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post

Excellent news, thank you sir!

Excellent indeed. We might both have the same preamp soon. Two Brandons, both with P5's, and likely at the same time both with A21's. Oh me oh my! smile.gif

Thanks for the info on the P5 fellas.
post #581 of 648
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Excellent indeed. We might both have the same preamp soon. Two Brandons, both with P5's, and likely at the same time both with A21's. Oh me oh my! smile.gif

Thanks for the info on the P5 fellas.

Great minds think alike;). Did you snag an A21 or do you still have the A23?

What I am really after is more crossover options on the halo line over my 2100 and the ability to adjust settings via remote!
post #582 of 648
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Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post

Great minds think alike;). Did you snag an A21 or do you still have the A23?

What I am really after is more crossover options on the halo line over my 2100 and the ability to adjust settings via remote!

I haven't purchased an A21 yet, but I plan to this year. I may just wait until I buy the P5, though. Do we know if the P5 has HT bypass?
post #583 of 648
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I haven't purchased an A21 yet, but I plan to this year. I may just wait until I buy the P5, though. Do we know if the P5 has HT bypass?

Gotcha. From what others have heard the P5 should be the 2ch equivalent of the P7 or halo version of the 2100. So yes HT bypass hopefully!
post #584 of 648
I guess no soup for me....But if anyone is interested I did take some hi rez pictures of the insides of the Parasound 2100.

See all of the Parasound 2100 high resolution pics here:

http://davidmphoto.smugmug.com/Other/parasound-2100/

Note that the OPAMP's are soldered in, so no easy to change sockets.



Edited by dm - 2/16/13 at 8:29pm
post #585 of 648
new 2100 owner, very nice unit, One thing is annoying, maybe its just me.
I cant see the volume level at all, no light on the knob, no numerical display.
Coming from receivers , I am used to be able to set a consistent level.
post #586 of 648
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Originally Posted by bostonfan2 View Post

new 2100 owner, very nice unit, One thing is annoying, maybe its just me.
I cant see the volume level at all, no light on the knob, no numerical display.
Coming from receivers , I am used to be able to set a consistent level.

Most 2-channel preamps are like that, for what it's worth.
post #587 of 648
True. Even With the remote the volume control is very precise, works very well.
post #588 of 648
While it has nice features, The 2100 is still basically an old school 2 channel analog pre-amp. So no digital reference on the display as to the volume setting like on a modern receiver. There was a time when 2 channel receivers had just a rotary volume control with no numerical reference too.

You do get a white dot though on the volume knob of the 2100. So do what I do - keep a pair of binoculars handy by your listening chair. You'll also need a flashlight for night listening.

I have to disagree about the remotes volume control being precise. Maybe it is just my 2100, but just one touch tends to raise the volume and move the knob too much. I prefer to set the volume manually, especially when I just want a small increase in volume.
post #589 of 648
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

While it has nice features, The 2100 is still basically an old school 2 channel analog pre-amp. So no digital reference on the display as to the volume setting like on a modern receiver. There was a time when 2 channel receivers had just a rotary volume control with no numerical reference too.

You do get a white dot though on the volume knob of the 2100. So do what I do - keep a pair of binoculars handy by your listening chair. You'll also need a flashlight for night listening.

I have to disagree about the remotes volume control being precise. Maybe it is just my 2100, but just one touch tends to raise the volume and move the knob too much. I prefer to set the volume manually, especially when I just want a small increase in volume.
You can always trade up to the P7, which is all analog through its signal path, but has all digital read out display. And with the remote everything can be changed on the fly while you're listening to the music.
post #590 of 648
I was joking. Having a rotary knob with no numerical reference in my 2100 is not a problem.

Thanks but I have no need for a P7. I am waiting for the new P5 to come out and will most likely trade up to that.
post #591 of 648
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While it has nice features, The 2100 is still basically an old school 2 channel analog pre-amp. So no digital reference on the display as to the volume setting like on a modern receiver. There was a time when 2 channel receivers had just a rotary volume control with no numerical reference too.

You do get a white dot though on the volume knob of the 2100. So do what I do - keep a pair of binoculars handy by your listening chair. You'll also need a flashlight for night listening.

I have to disagree about the remotes volume control being precise. Maybe it is just my 2100, but just one touch tends to raise the volume and move the knob too much. I prefer to set the volume manually, especially when I just want a small increase in volume.

I agree. The volume control is not very accurate. I generally don't use the remote for volume adjustments because of this unless I had planned to go to "11."
post #592 of 648
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

I was joking. Having a rotary knob with no numerical reference in my 2100 is not a problem.

Thanks but I have no need for a P7. I am waiting for the new P5 to come out and will most likely trade up to that.

Where did you hear / read about the P5? I'd love to know more about this!
post #593 of 648
P5 was unveiled at this years CES. Here is a link. In addition to built in DAC and bass management, it will have HT Bypass to like the 2100 too. And available in black!

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=289:preamp-evolution-parasound-and-primare&catid=93:feature-articles&Itemid=354
post #594 of 648
Interesting, I'm running the 2100 with the 2125 amp, I can't see the dot on the volume, but I tried testing repeatability of volume level
In relation to a given number of clicks on remote. Seemed pretty reliable to me, I'm sure
Your right that using the knob is better for
Smaller increments.
post #595 of 648
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

P5 was unveiled at this years CES. Here is a link. In addition to built in DAC and bass management, it will have HT Bypass to like the 2100 too. And available in black!

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=289:preamp-evolution-parasound-and-primare&catid=93:feature-articles&Itemid=354

Thanks for the link! I had no idea it was shown already. I was really hoping for the digital display of the P7 for volume adjustment etc.
post #596 of 648
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

P5 was unveiled at this years CES. Here is a link. In addition to built in DAC and bass management, it will have HT Bypass to like the 2100 too. And available in black!

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=289:preamp-evolution-parasound-and-primare&catid=93:feature-articles&Itemid=354

Thanks for the link. It'll be my next preamp for sure. I'll be getting it in silver, though. wink.gif If the internal DAC bests my Digital Link III I'll happily sell it and pocket some cash - nice!

I noticed the article didn't mention HT bypass, though... Where has that been confirmed?

Edit: nevermind. Here is a picture that confirms HT bypass. I am all in now!


Edited by Nuance - 3/11/13 at 12:36pm
post #597 of 648
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Thanks for the link. It'll be my next preamp for sure. I'll be getting it in silver, though. wink.gif

I noticed the article didn't mention HT bypass, though...

silver for me as well! Its looking like its truly more of a 2100 in Halo clothes than a 2ch version of the P7. Oh well.

Hey Nuance,
How was the audio show in Chicago this weekend? I was there Friday.
post #598 of 648
Take a look at the rear photo of the P5 in this link. Sure looks like HT Bypass inputs to me. I also read it would have HT Bypass in another forum somewhere but can't recall which one. Either way, the picture is worth a thousand words.

http://api.ning.com/files/cvk*R4kqho0L5eN4ikhpuUqI*W2k*a3dGxq5ecySTnnfHrx*Vp25NvdZPYYCIN78AT1Y4IcjKMWUz2KSj*ba6Txf0FldMXrJ/IMG_1842.jpg

Hope this helps.
post #599 of 648
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Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post

silver for me as well! Its looking like its truly more of a 2100 in Halo clothes than a 2ch version of the P7. Oh well.

Hey Nuance,
How was the audio show in Chicago this weekend? I was there Friday.
I kind of thought the same thing, B. Interesting. I am guessing the DAC is what really differentiates it.

Unfortunately I was not able to make it. Everything was aligned for me until a couple days before the show, at which point it all fell apart. Crappy...

So how was it?
post #600 of 648
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

I kind of thought the same thing, B. Interesting. I am guessing the DAC is what really differentiates it.

Unfortunately I was not able to make it. Everything was aligned for me until a couple days before the show, at which point it all fell apart. Crappy...

So how was it?

Im with you, if the P5 sounds better than my PS DAC III, I can eliminate a device as well! I guess I was still hoping for more features like the P7 such as digital adjustments that can be made via remote rather than knobs on the back panel:(


Anyway,
sorry you were not able to make it! I thought it was interesting to see all the crazy expensive gear out there that idiots actually buy:) Come on, a $16k power cable, $150K for speakers? Seriously? It was fun though. I got to hear some decent setups although most were underwhelming. All in all, I got home and was thankful for the system I own and am very pleased with it. I am sure the rooms don't help at these events, but most sounded pretty bad.

One common factor was that the more unusual the speaker/equipment looked, the worse it sounds, ha!
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