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post #601 of 648
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Originally Posted by Denon Frank View Post

Where did you hear / read about the P5? I'd love to know more about this!

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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

P5 was unveiled at this years CES. Here is a link. In addition to built in DAC and bass management, it will have HT Bypass to like the 2100 too. And available in black!

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=289:preamp-evolution-parasound-and-primare&catid=93:feature-articles&Itemid=354

Thank You!
post #602 of 648
Im going to A/B the Emotiva XSP-1 with this unit, they have a 30 day trial so ill give it a shot.
The price is higher but so are the features, has anyone else tried this unit compared to the 2100?
post #603 of 648
Interested in hearing your thought.....

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post #604 of 648
Well I have had the XSP-1 for a few weeks now, sound and feature wise I can share some thoughts.
You can see my set up in the link below, not shown is the Musical Fidelity V link 2 and Parasound 2125 amp.
The speakers are Ascend Sierra 1 with NRT.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1217536/lets-see-pics-of-your-stereo-setup/510

Sound wise, there is a distinct difference in the upper mids and Highs. The 2100 is more forward in the upper
range, Offering slightly more detail, and separation. I thought it was thinner sounding Than the XSP-1 in the upper mids. For my Jazz recordings (Diana Krall) the 2100 was slightly more engaging, Really nice, For Rock guitars I much prefer the Emotiva, The 2100 was thinner, And at spirited levels fatiguing , I never experienced this with the Xsp-1 And I never seen a review with anyone else experiencing that with the 2100 so maybe its just my room. Bass wise both are excellent, but I was able to really fine tune the crossover with my sub much better with the Emotiva, as you can adjust the range from 50hz to 250hz on the mains where as the 2100 is fixed at 80, which I did not care for with my speakers. Seems strange the 2100 has fully adjustable crossover for the sub which most subs have anyway but not the mains. Remote wise there is no comparison, Emo is full metal, really nice, You could hurt someone with this damn thing...lol...anyway you can not only toggle tone controls but change them from the remote as well. I stated earlier in this thread I thought the 2100 volume control was pretty accurate, others disagreed and after using the Emo I think they were right, I dont see how you can get anymore precise than this, it ramps up and down wonderfully and with the display the repeatability is exact. I couldn't be happier with this aspect of it. I cant comment on the phono section or balanced differential part. appearance wise the 2100 has a much lower profile and is overall more inconspicuous which I really liked. If I was using this in a home theatre setup the blue lighting on the Emo would be a dealbreaker for me. It has 10 levels of dimming but you cant shut it off all the way. Overall for my purpose and room, I am enjoying the Emotiva more so I did end up returning the 2100. Again, there is a 300.00 price difference between these units so its not exactly apples to apples comparison.
post #605 of 648
I appreciate the comparison. The fatiguing, thin sound and volume control issue of the 2100 vs the XSP were mostly qualities that I thought could be used to describe the USP-1 when comparing it to the Parasound 2100 from my listening. If the XSP-1 compares favorably vs the 2100 in the same way that the 2100 compares favorably to the USP-1, Emotiva has done an awesome job. Kudos to Emo. Maybe I'll try one out if I can find one in the secondary market. Thanks for the review.smile.gif

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post #606 of 648
You're welcome, And I hope my comparison didnt sound overly harsh on the 2100, its very good preamp, just different from the other unit depending on your needs.
post #607 of 648
Does anyone else experience channel balance issues? In the treble, one side is significantly louder than the other. I have narrowed it down to the 2100. This is my second 2100, and I noticed the same issue with both units.
post #608 of 648
Still have a Parasound 2100 for sale. Posted in the classifieds.
post #609 of 648
A few factory refurbs are available at AA, I just bought one. biggrin.gif I really wanted to go the tube route but there are so few affordable tube preamps with a remote, phono and HT bypass. I figured at least I can return it is I don't see a marked improvement over the Onkyo 1008 I'm using as a preamp.
post #610 of 648
Hello,

I have bought a nice used turntable and returned to the world of Vinyl. Did anyone objectivly compared the phono stage in the 2100 to an external phono pre-amp in the 300$ range? Over at audiokarma people are reporting very good things about the ART DJ Pre II phono pre for instance.

Any input?

Thanks,
N.
post #611 of 648
Yes I have. I used the phono stage in my 2100 until I happened to get a good deal on an external Pro-ject Phono Box S (retail $200) that I intended on using in a secondary system. Before installing in the secondary system, I decided to test it in my primary system first. Not really expecting much, I was blown away. The Pro-ject S was much quieter and projected a much larger, deeper soundstage with my cartridge far more than the phono section in the 2100 ever did. Needless to say, the Pro-ject is now doing full time duty as my phono stage in my primary system. Alot may have to do with the Pro-ject allowing for full cartridge loading, something the 2100 does not offer. Nevertheless, it really revealed how weak the phono stage in the 2100 was. Prior to this, I had no idea or basis of comparison.

If your looking upwards to $300, suggest you get a model that allows for full loading - impendence, capacitance and gain - to precisely dial in your cartridge instead of the simple MM/MC switch the 2100 offers. Hope this helps.
post #612 of 648
Thanks, what cartridge was that?
post #613 of 648
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Originally Posted by Nima View Post

Thanks, what cartridge was that?

Sumiko Blue Point No. 2 - a high output MC cartridge.
post #614 of 648
My 2100 arrived yesterday and while I think it sounds great, I can't get rid of a bad hum issue when used in bypass mode. I've tried everything I can think of. I'm going from a Onkyo TX-NR1008 to the 2100 and out to a Rotel RB-990BX (I also tried a Parasound HCA-1000 and HCA-1000A). I ruled out the cable box right away by disconnecting it completely. I tried cheater plugs, reversing two prongs plugs, different AC circuits, same AC circuit, different interconnects, etc,etc.......

It hums whether the 2100 is plugged into A/C or not. It's fine when I turn it on and put it on an input, just no go in bypass mode, the primary reason I bought it.

It was a B-Stock unit so who knows. I spent almost 3 hours trying to rule out everything but to my dismay, just couldn't get rid of the hum.

Time to call AA.mad.gif

A quick note on the phono section, my Jolida JD9 was leaps and bounds better sounding.

Edit - I've been thinking about this all day and I remembered that I tried the Onkyo in one of the inputs as well as the HT Bypass and still got the hum so now I'm thinking it's not the 2100 and must be a ground loop. I'll have to get back at it tonight.
Edited by sdolen - 4/25/13 at 12:10pm
post #615 of 648
In case anyone is in the same boat, all I can say is ground loop, ground loop and some more ground loops. Cable box, HTPC and phono preamp all causing issues. I have a power conditioner/UPS but I can't plug my 3 power amps and AV receiver into it since they over load the power capacity.

Aside from that, I'm happy that I can keep my 2100 as there is nothing else in it's price bracket with the features I wanted. Must haves were remote, HT Bypass and a balance control. So I'm now a happy camper! biggrin.gif
post #616 of 648
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

Sumiko Blue Point No. 2 - a high output MC cartridge.

Hi,

I installed my new cartridge yesterday (Ortofon 2M blue) and did some listening today. I am still open to the idea of a seperate phone pre-amp.

One thing I noticed was there is a crackling, clicking and pulsing noise present (when idle) even when the turntable is switched off. I switched input 1 back to normal input and the noise was gone.

Any ideas what that maybe? Is the input on the 2100 picking up more noise from ac adapters etc. when switched to MM Phono? Is this a sign of the "bad quality" of the 2100 phono stage?

Thanks,
N.
post #617 of 648
That is what I was telling you earlier. Its a noisy phono stage and I believe not a very good one. I get the same noise on mine.

If you use a separate phono preamp and tap into any other line level imput on the 2100, you will not hear this noise. The 2100 is a very nice preamp but as a line stage only. Consider getting a separate phono preamp and preferably one with full cartridge loading. Good luck.
post #618 of 648
I came across something I found intresting, it looks like the 2100 has a cousin, what do you guys think?

It seems these come from the same OEM.

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It looks like the Adcom GFP-815 is the same preamp minus the bass management and HT bypass.

Same amount of inputs, same tone controls and balance, same phono input selector, same remote minus the mute button, same RS-232 and IR ins and outs.

If it walks like a duck.......
Edited by sdolen - 4/29/13 at 9:47am
post #619 of 648
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Originally Posted by Paraneer View Post

That is what I was telling you earlier. Its a noisy phono stage and I believe not a very good one. I get the same noise on mine.

If you use a separate phono preamp and tap into any other line level imput on the 2100, you will not hear this noise. The 2100 is a very nice preamp but as a line stage only. Consider getting a separate phono preamp and preferably one with full cartridge loading. Good luck.

Thank you again. Bought a discounted new Pro-Ject Phono Box SE II today. biggrin.gif
post #620 of 648
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Originally Posted by sdolen View Post

I came across something I found intresting, it looks like the 2100 has a cousin, what do you guys think?

It seems these come from the same OEM.

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It looks like the Adcom GFP-815 is the same preamp minus the bass management and HT bypass.

Same amount of inputs, same tone controls and balance, same phono input selector, same remote minus the mute button, same RS-232 and IR ins and outs.

If it walks like a duck.......

wow good catch. The Adcom retail for $100 more than the Parasound and has less features. I tried looking for pictures of the inside of the adcom without any luck.
post #621 of 648
Adcom has on a sale on the 815 for $499 shipped for someone who does not need the bass management or HT bypass.

I ended up going a different route all together. I split into two separate systems, one for HT and one for 2CH Vinyl playback. I returned the 2100 and bought a used Rotel RC-1070 to go with my RB-990BX amp for the 2Ch setup. I saved a few hundred and IMHO it sounds better.
post #622 of 648
hello
no one is sick of his 2100 and want to sell it to me for a good price? not every body at once please.
post #623 of 648
I have one for sale. PM me if interested.
post #624 of 648
Thread Starter 
I sold my 2100 awhile back when I bought the 4311. Lately I've been listening to 2CH music in Direct or DSD Direct without my sub. So I thought I would try to find another 2100 to go the analog route over the 4311. So I bought dlbeck's 2100 and it should arrive next week. I'm looking forward to using the analog outputs of my 103 to the 2100 for pure audio bliss smile.gif.

Bill
post #625 of 648
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I sold my 2100 awhile back when I bought the 4311. Lately I've been listening to 2CH music in Direct or DSD Direct without my sub. So I thought I would try to find another 2100 to go the analog route over the 4311. So I bought dlbeck's 2100 and it should arrive next week. I'm looking forward to using the analog outputs of my 103 to the 2100 for pure audio bliss smile.gif.

Bill

Welcome back to the 2100 fan club Bill:)

I am still waiting patiently for parasounds supposed P5 pre. I believe it has a built in DAC and otherwise comparable to the 2100.
post #626 of 648
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post

Welcome back to the 2100 fan club Bill:)

I am still waiting patiently for parasounds supposed P5 pre. I believe it has a built in DAC and otherwise comparable to the 2100.

Thanks, Brandon smile.gif. I was going to wait for the P5 but it will be hard to find one for awhile at anything but list price. So I'll be quite happy with the 2100 for awhile smile.gif. I exchanged a few emails with Richard Schram from Parasound awhile back. From what Richard indicated the P5 will be a nice step up from the 2100. The P5 is supposed to be out this summer with a list price of $950. Here is a thread from the HT Guide that discusses the P5. In post #5 it shows some pitures of the P5 front and back. I like that it will be available in black and of course the upgraded feature set over the 2100.

Bill
post #627 of 648
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Thanks, Brandon smile.gif. I was going to wait for the P5 but it will be hard to find one for awhile at anything but list price. So I'll be quite happy with the 2100 for awhile smile.gif. I exchanged a few emails with Richard Schram from Parasound awhile back. From what Richard indicated the P5 will be a nice step up from the 2100. The P5 is supposed to be out this summer with a list price of $950. Here is a thread from the HT Guide that discusses the P5. In post #5 it shows some pitures of the P5 front and back. I like that it will be available in black and of course the upgraded feature set over the 2100.

Bill

I'm hoping to snag one soon after they are released. I also just bought a Sonos to replace my SB Touch. I wanted something more reliable plus the SB line has been discontinued:(

Can you ellaborate more on what Richard mentioned about the P5? From what I saw on HT guide, I was bummed it would not have XO settings done digitally like the p7. To me it looked more like a 2100 in halo clothes.
post #628 of 648
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post

I'm hoping to snag one soon after they are released. I also just bought a Sonos to replace my SB Touch. I wanted something more reliable plus the SB line has been discontinued:(

Can you ellaborate more on what Richard mentioned about the P5? From what I saw on HT guide, I was bummed it would not have XO settings done digitally like the p7. To me it looked more like a 2100 in halo clothes.

I had a SB for a short while and it was so buggy I returned it. I'll try to find the post I made that went into more detail of what Richard had to say about the P5. Are you sure the crossovers in the P7 are digital? Looking at the P7 manual (page 17) it indicates the bass management is analog.

Bill
post #629 of 648
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I had a SB for a short while and it was so buggy I returned it. I'll try to find the post I made that went into more detail of what Richard had to say about the P5. Are you sure the crossovers in the P7 are digital? Looking at the P7 manual (page 17) it indicates the bass management is analog.

Bill
Thanks Bill.
I meant the XO adjustments can be made through the digital display, sorry. This to me is much easier to fine tune then a knob on the back of the unit.
post #630 of 648
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post

Thanks Bill.
I meant the XO adjustments can be made through the digital display, sorry. This to me is much easier to fine tune then a knob on the back of the unit.

Brandon,

No need to apologize as now I realize what you meant smile.gif. I agree that to be able to make all the BM adjustments via a menu is much better than using the knobs on the rear panel. But I think that option could possibly drive the price of the P5 higher. I'm looking forward to the release of the P5 and the owners reviews (hopefully yours) that will follow.

Bill
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