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post #1291 of 1399
Yup the crossover setting on the sub was the issue, thanks smile.gif
post #1292 of 1399
If the crossover switch was set to "IN" and you ran Audyssey it'll sound horrible. Switch it to "OUT" and run Audyssey again. They could have saved folks some grief by labeling it "Internal crossover", "External Crossover". Just think of it as "INternal"
post #1293 of 1399
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Originally Posted by pdxfj View Post

If the crossover switch was set to "IN" and you ran Audyssey it'll sound horrible. Switch it to "OUT" and run Audyssey again. They could have saved folks some grief by labeling it "Internal crossover", "External Crossover". Just think of it as "INternal"
Yup that was the issue. It didnt help that the book had text written for that other Bic subwoofer and not this one, so lazy to not update it for this model
post #1294 of 1399
I've never owned a subwoofer and currently only using a pair of B&W 685s.

The BIC PL-200 seems like a great deal at this point, but how does it compare with the Velodyne EQ-Max 15 Inch Subwoofer?

The BIC PL-200 can be had probably for $300 if you make an offer to AcousticSoundDesign on eBay and the Velodyne EQ-Max 15 inch subwoofer is currently $749.77 on their website.

I know the Velodyne is much more expensive and has better specs, but just how noticeable will all of that be? 250 Watts RMS Continuous with the BIC PL-200 vs 750 watts RMS Power with the Velodyne:

http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=1&type=8&spkrID=86

http://velodyne.com/eq-max-15.html
post #1295 of 1399
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

I've never owned a subwoofer and currently only using a pair of B&W 685s.

The BIC PL-200 seems like a great deal at this point, but how does it compare with the Velodyne EQ-Max 15 Inch Subwoofer?

The BIC PL-200 can be had probably for $300 if you make an offer to AcousticSoundDesign on eBay and the Velodyne EQ-Max 15 inch subwoofer is currently $749.77 on their website.

I know the Velodyne is much more expensive and has better specs, but just how noticeable will all of that be? 250 Watts RMS Continuous with the BIC PL-200 vs 750 watts RMS Power with the Velodyne:

http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=1&type=8&spkrID=86

http://velodyne.com/eq-max-15.html


How big is the room you plan on using it in?

post #1296 of 1399
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Originally Posted by Rob_63 View Post


How big is the room you plan on using it in?

It's going to be in a small bedroom. I currently have two B&W 685s and even they seem like more than enough.
Edited by RomanBlade86 - 5/8/13 at 3:47am
post #1297 of 1399
Here are my comparisons.

M&K subwoofer...12 inch. I don't know the specs, but 20 years ago I paid close to $1000 for it.

Sonance "The Sub"...12 inches...retailed about $800.

All I can say is the PL-200 blew these out of the water. I've never owned a 15 inch sub for comparison.

I was nervous too about trying this subwoofer without hearing it. I have not had any regrets...in fact, I now own a 9.2 BIC system. I've always owned high/medium end speakers and I can't get over how good these sound.

You should pull the trigger. I think you will be very happy.
post #1298 of 1399
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post


It's going to be in a small bedroom. I currently have two B&W 685s and even they seem like more than enough.


I have the BIC PL-200, and also have a couple of Premier Acoustic PA150's (15 inch) and the BIC ended up in my bedroom due to the PA-150 (only using one at this time) filling my living room better.  Unless you don't mind spending the extra money for overkill I would go with the BIC for smaller or medium sized rooms.  Good luck with your decision!

post #1299 of 1399
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Originally Posted by nx211 View Post

Having now spent the last couple of months with a BIC PL-200, I must say, it makes for a very nice sounding low frequency speaker! I'm using mine to just give my center channel some low end capability. My right and left mains sport powered 12" drivers of their own, so I was looking for something similar to match their output and this sub fills the job perfectly. I'm really quite impressed. I'd highly recommend it to anyone wanting to add low frequency capability to their center channel.

nx211

The bass is so good coming out of this sub that I purchased a second one. Deep clean bass with no boom whatsoever. Adding this sub to my center channel speaker is a significant upgrade to the home theater setup. I've always had that speaker set to "small". Now, for the first time, I've got it set to "large" and it's really adding bottom end thump without distortion or boom of any kind. It's tight, clean bottom end strength that my main left/right front towers, with their own 12" drivers, are incapable of producing. I'm simply blown away by this 12" sub.


nx211
post #1300 of 1399
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Originally Posted by nx211 View Post

The bass is so good coming out of this sub that I purchased a second one. Deep clean bass with no boom whatsoever. Adding this sub to my center channel speaker is a significant upgrade to the home theater setup. I've always had that speaker set to "small". Now, for the first time, I've got it set to "large" and it's really adding bottom end thump without distortion or boom of any kind. It's tight, clean bottom end strength that my main left/right front towers, with their own 12" drivers, are incapable of producing. I'm simply blown away by this 12" sub.


nx211

Which center are you using? A BIC or some other brand? I have 2 H200's as well but using them as dual subs since my AVR supports two subs (i posted pics earlier in this thread).
post #1301 of 1399
Another brand. The largest sized driver in my center channel is only 4.25 inches. It's not capable of any output much below 100Hz.
post #1302 of 1399
Recently I bought pl-200 but it doesn't turn on when the switch is set to auto particularly while using cable as source in the receiver. However if I turn the subwoofer to "ON" position, I can hear the bass which confirms the signal. Now if change it to "auto" it stays on for a while and turns off.

When using AppleTV, it turns on always(from "auto"). Can't seem to find what is causing the issue. Any ideas?

Thanks!
post #1303 of 1399
Maybe your signal isn't strong enough coming from the receiver. I have the gain on the sub turned way down to around the 9 o'clock position and the output of my Denon set higher on the LFE channel to give the sub's auto sensing circuit enough voltage to kick on. Another snag I had is when listening to cd's it wouldn't come on until I selected my front mains to "small" when the cd is playing. This didn't affect the tv viewing's 5.1 sound since it's a different source.
post #1304 of 1399
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

Maybe your signal isn't strong enough coming from the receiver. I have the gain on the sub turned way down to around the 9 o'clock position and the output of my Denon set higher on the LFE channel to give the sub's auto sensing circuit enough voltage to kick on. Another snag I had is when listening to cd's it wouldn't come on until I selected my front mains to "small" when the cd is playing. This didn't affect the tv viewing's 5.1 sound since it's a different source.

When you say 'gain' are you referring to the volume control on the sub. Even with half way up(@ 6), my receiver's MCACC complains it is too loud.
post #1305 of 1399
so is this still the sub to get for under $300? I have the BIC H-100 in another room and am in the process of setting up my man cave wink.gif I mostly watch movies/play games, maybe 10% music.

I LOVE my H-100, but am thinking the PL200 is worth the extra $50. Unless there's another recommendation...?

BTW, I have all BIC speakers. TIA!
post #1306 of 1399
At this price point, to many, obviously, the Top Dog of the budget minded subwoofers is the Klipsch, RW-12d. But the PL-200 runs a fairly close second and, if the only solution available, would be a worthy addition to your all BIC speaker system.

(subwoofers are not brand dependent nor loyal to a given speaker timbre)

Subwoofers are all about driver based sound reproduction quality. If I were to give a recommendation, it would be for a much more expensive subwoofer like a Rythmik, LV12R. Now that's an upgrade. And if one must keep to a budget, then look for an on sale, Klipsch, RW-12d at Newegg. They're showing that they're running out so next sale, jump on it and be happy.

Typically, once shown to be in stock, after about a week, they go on sale for <$300.00.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 5/25/13 at 6:58am
post #1307 of 1399
The Klipsch is $500, and the PL200 is $300. Pretty huge price difference, unless I'm missing something here...

BTW, this will be placed in my basement on a concrete floor, if that makes any difference.
post #1308 of 1399
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Originally Posted by bgstewar View Post

The Klipsch is $500, and the PL200 is $300. Pretty huge price difference, unless I'm missing something here...

As linked in my above post, the RW-12d is currently listed on Newegg at $350.00 and Newegg is well known for listing them, on sale at <$300.00.

In honesty, I can't speak to the concrete floor issue and would have to encourage others to chime in with their experience.
post #1309 of 1399
I don't know...that Klipsch has some pretty sketchy reviews with parts breaking or coming loose, needing burn in and proper turning, muddy sound and no LFE input...? Think I'm going for the PL-200. Thanks!
post #1310 of 1399
As an aside, the RW-12d doesn't suffer from broken parts other than cover lugs which Klipsch is quick to replace. The loose vent is easily moved into place and overall, gives the best reviewed testing data.

As to burn in, all speaker drivers need to be burned in so as to loosen them up so as to improve responsiveness but in the end, all drivers automatically burn in, with or without anybody's personal assistance.

All subwoofer systems need to be tuned to a room's acoustics and that's the way it is and if one doesn't take the time to tune a subwoofer to their room's acoustics, they'll "NEVER" get the best out of their subwoofer system.

In the end, I always encourage one to go with that which makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 5/25/13 at 8:28am
post #1311 of 1399
Has anyone here heard both the Cadence CSX-12 II & the BIC PL-200? I own a Cadence CSX-12, but the auto power on feature is starting to give me issues and I'm thinking about a PL-200.
post #1312 of 1399
i am thinking about getting this for my garage aka man cave. My current sub Polk Audio PSW10 doesn't give me enough power. I got it for 50 dollars. Anyways.

Is there a better sub for the price range?

Here is my set up
1. denon 2113ci

Speakers---
1. Jamo-426-HCS
2. 2 fisher speakers.--- goodwill speakers ( prolly replace with the klipsch quintent()

What i own but just sit idle.
1. 4 satellite speakers--- Klipsch Quintet II
2. 2 KLIPSCH ProMedia Ultra Computer Satellite Speakers
3. 1 center KLIPSCH ProMedia Ultra Computer Speakers
4. DV62CLRS center speaker
post #1313 of 1399
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Originally Posted by Sting82465 View Post

i am thinking about getting this for my garage aka man cave. My current sub Polk Audio PSW10 doesn't give me enough power. I got it for 50 dollars. Anyways.

Is there a better sub for the price range?

For a self-respecting "man-cave".........no!

A self-respecting garage based man-cave has many things. Among these are:

1. Lot's of tools.

2. A name brand tool chest to categorically store all these tools in.

3. A refer to store quality cold beer in and yes, I mean quality, not Bud-lite.

4. A subwoofer based sound system that will impress a date.

Now, how one replicates my above is up to them but without "Man-Cave" standards, you're definitely not talking..."Man-Cave."

The point (I know my comment is offensive), a fifty dollar subwoofer does not qualify for man-cave status.

Now we're talking "Man-Cave."

If you want "Man-Cave" status, you're going have to step up to more than a ladies "Tea Party."

"Mas Tequila"

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 5/27/13 at 10:41am
post #1314 of 1399
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

For a self-respecting "man-cave".........no!

A self-respecting garage based man-cave has many things. Among these are:

1. Lot's of tools.

2. A name brand tool chest to categorically store all these tools in.

3. A refer to store quality cold beer in and yes, I mean quality, not Bud-lite.

4. A subwoofer based sound system that will impress a date.

Now, how one replicates my above is up to them but without "Man-Cave" standards, you're definitely not talking..."Man-Cave."

The point (I know my comment is offensive), a fifty dollar subwoofer does not qualify for man-cave status.

Now we're talking "Man-Cave."

If you want "Man-Cave" status, you're going have to step up to more than a ladies "Tea Party."

"Mas Tequila"

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Hey Bee... You really need to get out of retirement and go back to work biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #1315 of 1399
LOL!

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And then reality enters.

Ain't found nothing better than retirement as now I'm being paid to do nothing all day.......biggrin.gif

"Taking Care of Business"

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My imperative is how to make more out of less......"MONEY!"

And the effort is paying for itself.

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(the incompetent makes a living doing nothing all day)

(I'm on my third holiday cocktail on my way to a fourth (as I gave up my family history to this day), so please, forgive me as I simply ask that you will hopefully bear with me on this day of remembrance)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 5/27/13 at 11:52am
post #1316 of 1399
Beeman keep drinking the good stuff
post #1317 of 1399
...biggrin.gif

Canadian whiskey on an American holiday.

David Essex: "Rock On"

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 5/27/13 at 11:57am
post #1318 of 1399
Deciding between this sub and the F12. Heard both, prefer this one, but the $$ is telling me the F12 (College budget).

Any deals going on that would put this near the $200 F12?
post #1319 of 1399
Save up the $79 and get the PL200. I just bought it from Acoustic Sound Design (submit best offer) on ebay. 100x better than the F12.

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post #1320 of 1399
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Originally Posted by bgstewar View Post

I don't know...that Klipsch has some pretty sketchy reviews with parts breaking or coming loose, needing burn in and proper turning, muddy sound and no LFE input...? Think I'm going for the PL-200. Thanks!
I own both. The klipsh is slightly better sounding IMO. That doesn't mean that the bic sounds bad though! I got my klipsh on sale for $280 at the egg.
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