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post #811 of 1399
@ack_bk

Thanks!!
post #812 of 1399
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Originally Posted by Bigotis View Post

Thanks RangerEz, my split is about 70/30 toward more music. The room is 20 by 23 with a large opening. The emos are better for music as I've read. I've got two 7 channel emo amps I love so I know emo products are great. I need to make a decision soon as the price and availability is not constant. Thanks for your time.

It sounds to me like you would be better off with the Emotiva subs. For music it seems the consensus is a sealed sub is preferred vs a ported sub.
post #813 of 1399
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Originally Posted by Bigotis View Post

I'm considering bidding on Ebay, what is the $ I should bid? Thanks. I'm also considering 2 Emotivas 12's , any one heard both, the emos will be more.

I have both the Emo Ultra 12 and the Bic PL-200. The PL-200 is very good for HT for the price or even a little higher but only acceptable for music, IMHO. The Ultra 12 doesn't go as deep or loud but sounds cleaner and tighter for music. Both on for HT do a great job together and are very enjoyable with lots of impact and clarity after careful adjustments. For music, I turn the PL-200 down a little mainly to support esp. with the lower extensions. They both sound very different and have different strengths. The PL-200 is loud, deeper and right in your face (HT) while the Ultra 12 is more accurate and tighter (music). The PL-200 is truly a bargain for the going rate when used mainly with HT. The Ultra 12 while isn't as deep or loud, it does a decent job there and is more transparent but I'd want at least two of these for HT if they'll be the only subs.

I've been enjoying a lot of movies lately and the whole system been sounding (and looking) great.
post #814 of 1399
I am stoked to get mine in. Not to hijack the thread, but just thinking out loud a bit here: The dilemma I need to solve over the weekend is which of my two Onkyo receivers I hook them to. I have a 706 from a couple years ago doing living room duty and am running a 608 in my new HT where the subs are going. I bought the 608 for its price and before I knew about the difference in the Audyssey EQ systems in each. They are similarly spec'ed, but the 608 doesn't seem to have the HDMI handshake issues the Onkyos of two years ago had which are frankly a PIA. But, the Audyssey of the 706 is the MultiEQ where the 608 is only the 2EQ. With the new 2-sub setup, I might well want to swap them to get the best Audyssey help. Decisions...
post #815 of 1399
Thanks Sobhano, good info. I also didn't mention I have a SVS PB12 Plus that I enjoy but we are moving to a new house soon and the basement area is mine for music and tv, no concerns about wife approval as this is my area. Do you think blending 2 emos in will be a problem?
post #816 of 1399
After much reading and since I do 80% or more HT, I am going with the PL-200 over PSW505, sold PSW450 for $160, so it will be a $109 upgrade, hope and feel it should hit better newer model and upgrade, not sure why some do not like them for music, but then again, I am not that much against ported woofers if adjusted and boxed correctly, newer to home subs vs car subs, so time will tell. Old PSW450 worked, just had Pioneer VSX9040THX plus on sub using Polk Monitor 70 ll up front CS1 for center. With past system, we set sub a little below half way and then after MACC adjusted system, we bumped it just above half way. Have to see how much more sub this is maybe it will be enough with out plus settings, have to see if there is any adjustment on crossovers to Polks vs. just small or large not sure where that puts them at. I based my choice for a new sub purchase on this sight other reviews of BIC new to me, so I appreciate all the info and I like something that goes low, as old car system had two 18 comp kickers :-) 2000 watts. Sealed, but a good tune port should work, will see. One reviewed it to a expensive speaker and it seems to have some impressive specs earlier in this forum, again thanks all. Some might see there are some sites with tons more reviews of Polk subs just maybe more known as far as Polk speakers which unfortunately, might lead one that way, so I am gambling on BIC reviews and sub, example one site had 1500 reviews on Polk subs, one in this forum claimed they were better for music, then again might depend on music you listen to as well, not a classic music person myself-unless classic rock qualifies me :-).
post #817 of 1399
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Originally Posted by Bigotis View Post

Thanks Sobhano, good info. I also didn't mention I have a SVS PB12 Plus that I enjoy but we are moving to a new house soon and the basement area is mine for music and tv, no concerns about wife approval as this is my area. Do you think blending 2 emos in will be a problem?

For music, no question about the 2 Emo's. It's just they aren't the deepest sub 30Hz mainly and not the loudest (500 vs. 1000 watts max dynamic against the Bic) so again, it's personal preference esp. with HT. Room gain and corner loading do help some and depending on the size of the listening room and how reflective the surfaces/walls are. While I didn't hear two Emos, one is very good at blending in with the other speakers and is significantly more transparent and not just because of the loudness. If the Emo went down with more authority to 20Hz, it would be a better all around sub but then it might be called a Legend. I like both and that's why I have one of each. It's the standard dilemma of SPL vs. SQ, their balance, budget and preferences so whatever works for you.
post #818 of 1399
Has there ever been a test of actual usable output of PL-200 on power of frequency, 1000 watt dynamic or any dynamic for me is useless, actual usable power as any amp will exceed its rated power but will clip etc.
post #819 of 1399
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Originally Posted by mdwerner6942 View Post

Has there ever been a test of actual usable output of PL-200 on power of frequency, 1000 watt dynamic or any dynamic for me is useless, actual usable power as any amp will exceed its rated power but will clip etc.

Another data point is that both subs sound good with the Xbox/Kenect.

Without knowing distortion levels and actual measurements, I’m with you on this and I put it out there for what it’s worth but no question about it to my ears and leg pant that the PL-200 sounds louder and deeper before it’s noticeably clipping but that could mainly be in the lower frequencies for the most part as the Ultra 12 puts out significant dB’s above 35Hz.

I know the Ultra 12 has been tested to 114dB max SPL by Audioholics so it will be interesting to see how the PL-200 performs across its whole frequency range but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some exaggerated lower frequencies due to the port tune or what have you. Let me reiterate, the Bic is an amazing sub for HT/gaming when considering the price. It just doesn’t live up to the same level with music, IMHO. My preference always has been toward sealed vs. ported subs with music so that could be a large part of it too.

BTW, I do have two PSW505’s and the PL-200 sounds cleaner overall, deeper and louder.
post #820 of 1399
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Originally Posted by Sobhano View Post

Another data point is that both subs sound good with the Xbox/Kenect.

Without knowing distortion levels and actual measurements, I’m with you on this and I put it out there for what it’s worth but no question about it to my ears and leg pant that the PL-200 sounds louder and deeper before it’s noticeably clipping but that could mainly be in the lower frequencies for the most part as the Ultra 12 puts out significant dB’s above 35Hz.

I know the Ultra 12 has been tested to 114dB max SPL by Audioholics so it will be interesting to see how the PL-200 performs across its whole frequency range but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some exaggerated lower frequencies due to the port tune or what have you. Let me reiterate, the Bic is an amazing sub for HT/gaming when considering the price. It just doesn’t live up to the same level with music, IMHO. My preference always has been toward sealed vs. ported subs with music so that could be a large part of it too.

BTW, I do have two PSW505’s and the PL-200 sounds cleaner overall, deeper and louder.

Thanks, as guess the PL-200 is what I will get if it sounds better then PSW505 which should be better then PSW450 just sold for $160, should be a good $109 upgade for HT, little music then the PSW450 for me worked sometimes maybe adjust bass but worked, assume from reviews this is a upgrade and apparently my denied order on PL-200 was redone and it is on its way, must of keep my am exp info, might of been nice if they confirmed it, but from review it seems to be what I can afford in this price range, like 80 Hz down, Front Polk Monitor ll 70s, CSI 7.1 monitor ll 30s. Music mostly rock some country, little rap with son tu pac, so for us it worked with PSW450 accept had VSX9040THX receiver on Plus adjusted sub set below half and just above half when MACC got done, never seemed to bottom out and my ears did not notice any port noise, so some more power and hope lower bass then it will be perfect for us. Thanks to all on site. Review that ended like this was also interesting:

The first thing that caught my attention was while running my test tones starting at 80HZ down to 15hz for each sub independently, was my EP350 would not even register any decibels at 22hz. The PL-200 easily hit 76db @22hz. I knew then the Axiom sub was in trouble......The PL-200 is an incredible value and when cranked up some, will produce test tones down to 20hz and 18hz nicely. The Axiom EP350 just can't do that, and it's more than twice the price. I'll try to report back here when I get some more bass intense movies, plus I need to tweak some more. Thanks for the help anyways.
post #821 of 1399
I do believe the PL-200 is an excellent sub as I have one ( and another arriving monday or tues) esp. if you take in the amount of $269! Just to be fair thou as you had posted thr quote of the Axiom not going as low as the PL... (in which I do believe that as I'll explain it below) but the Axioum's are better matched with thier line of speakers as they tend to be for music rather than HT.

Just going off what I have experianced within the past few months...

As comming from an older Onkyo HTIB ( HT-SR800 set up... since replaced now) my first purchase for a sub was the PL-200 and LOVED it ( still do by the way). I was able to compare the older sub to the PL as there was no contest at all! I always read "muddy" in reviews but never quite herd or understood it untill I was able to compare. Once I was able to compare TEHN I realized what they ment as the older Onkyo sub sounded "muddy". Of corse a quick note here, I can make the PL sound a bit muddy and boomy if I set it up incorrectly or place it to close to the wall as I found out at first ( works best at least 12" from the wall BTW) buy not as bad as the Onkyo sounded. I never realized it produced that sound until I was able to compare the PL to it.

Since owning the PL-200 I was in the "mood" to add another sub to my system in the back portion of my room to equal the bass out. Not that I really needed to add another sub as the PL-200 does VERY well all by itself ( as my wife would say "good lord, the whole house is shaking! ) but in all respect "its a guy thing" I told her as I love action movies and I want to be "into" the movie when thier is "action" I guess.

So when I was about to get another PL-200 it was out of stock ( quite a while actually) as I came across an Outlaw LFM-1 used for sale so I purchased it for a good price. When I first introduced the LFM-1 to the system the two subs did not work good at all as I would say "they didnt get along very nicely". After about a wekk of trying differnt postions, setting and etc. I was able to get the setup to work out pretty good, not perfect but to where it worked well.

As I was able to compare the Outlaw to the PL I was able to pick out the differnace in sound, not a drastic differance as the PL vs the Onkyo by no means but to where I could tell/feel it per say. The Outlaw seemed to have a more balanced bass or should I say "smooth" as compared to the PL but not to the point that would make the PL sound bad just a differnt puch is all. I do realize there is a differnace between the two such as rms, porting & size goes. The PL has 250 as to the Outlaw has 350, the Outlaw has a downfiring dual port and is a little larger cabinet to where the PL has a single rear port and front firing... I just thought I would point this out in case some where not aware of the Outlaw subwoofer.

The outlaw did sound a bit tighter with music then the PL but the PL excelled in the HT department. I still believe the PL sounds great with music btw but I give the edge to Outlaw on the music department. I am selling the Outlaw to a good friend for what I paid for it as I am getting the PL to replace it. Dont get me wrong here, I do believe the Outlaw is a fantastic sub that is without a doubt but if I were to look at buying a new sub ( as in someone looking to replace what they have that is ) it would be hard to justify spending the extra cash for the Outlaw LFM-1 plus ( newest model to replace the LFM-1) since the Outlaw is $549 to where the PL can be had for as low as $270 ( as I am writting this that is ).

I do also realize that everyone has thier own opinions to which I say " thats excellent" as to they should! Some value thier SVS, HSU, EPIC's, Outlaws and so on ( the list can get LONG here) and I think thats great as I do believe they are all an excellent line as well, it's just a bit harder for me to justify the extra money for what I know works well for me.

The main reason I am replacing the Outlaw is only for these facts:
1) The PL has a smaller cabinet and looks so much better then the Outlaw as the PL has a very nice piano black gloss finish to it as the Outlaw has the flat black. Since I have this sub in the open ( cant hide it due to the layout ) it looks much better to acomadate the surroundings ( as the wife would agree )

2) I was able to get back what I paid for the Outlaw and save a few dollars ($100 in fact). The Outlaw sub was 3-4yrs old to where the PL is brand new.

Just as a reminder...
This is my experiance with what I have done within the past couple months. By no means am I trying to "down play" any other line (esp. the Outlaw ) and this is just my opinion. I feel the PL has performed excellent for my situation!
post #822 of 1399
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Originally Posted by skally View Post

I do believe the PL-200 is an excellent sub as I have one ( and another arriving monday or tues) esp. if you take in the amount of $269! Just to be fair thou as you had posted thr quote of the Axiom not going as low as the PL... (in which I do believe that as I'll explain it below) but the Axioum's are better matched with thier line of speakers as they tend to be for music rather than HT.

Just going off what I have experianced within the past few months...

As comming from an older Onkyo HTIB ( HT-SR800 set up... since replaced now) my first purchase for a sub was the PL-200 and LOVED it ( still do by the way). I was able to compare the older sub to the PL as there was no contest at all! I always read "muddy" in reviews but never quite herd or understood it untill I was able to compare. Once I was able to compare TEHN I realized what they ment as the older Onkyo sub sounded "muddy". Of corse a quick note here, I can make the PL sound a bit muddy and boomy if I set it up incorrectly or place it to close to the wall as I found out at first ( works best at least 12" from the wall BTW) buy not as bad as the Onkyo sounded. I never realized it produced that sound until I was able to compare the PL to it.

Since owning the PL-200 I was in the "mood" to add another sub to my system in the back portion of my room to equal the bass out. Not that I really needed to add another sub as the PL-200 does VERY well all by itself ( as my wife would say "good lord, the whole house is shaking! ) but in all respect "its a guy thing" I told her as I love action movies and I want to be "into" the movie when thier is "action" I guess.

So when I was about to get another PL-200 it was out of stock ( quite a while actually) as I came across an Outlaw LFM-1 used for sale so I purchased it for a good price. When I first introduced the LFM-1 to the system the two subs did not work good at all as I would say "they didnt get along very nicely". After about a wekk of trying differnt postions, setting and etc. I was able to get the setup to work out pretty good, not perfect but to where it worked well.

As I was able to compare the Outlaw to the PL I was able to pick out the differnace in sound, not a drastic differance as the PL vs the Onkyo by no means but to where I could tell/feel it per say. The Outlaw seemed to have a more balanced bass or should I say "smooth" as compared to the PL but not to the point that would make the PL sound bad just a differnt puch is all. I do realize there is a differnace between the two such as rms, porting & size goes. The PL has 250 as to the Outlaw has 350, the Outlaw has a downfiring dual port and is a little larger cabinet to where the PL has a single rear port and front firing... I just thought I would point this out in case some where not aware of the Outlaw subwoofer.

The outlaw did sound a bit tighter with music then the PL but the PL excelled in the HT department. I still believe the PL sounds great with music btw but I give the edge to Outlaw on the music department. I am selling the Outlaw to a good friend for what I paid for it as I am getting the PL to replace it. Dont get me wrong here, I do believe the Outlaw is a fantastic sub that is without a doubt but if I were to look at buying a new sub ( as in someone looking to replace what they have that is ) it would be hard to justify spending the extra cash for the Outlaw LFM-1 plus ( newest model to replace the LFM-1) since the Outlaw is $549 to where the PL can be had for as low as $270 ( as I am writting this that is ).

I do also realize that everyone has thier own opinions to which I say " thats excellent" as to they should! Some value thier SVS, HSU, EPIC's, Outlaws and so on ( the list can get LONG here) and I think thats great as I do believe they are all an excellent line as well, it's just a bit harder for me to justify the extra money for what I know works well for me.

The main reason I am replacing the Outlaw is only for these facts:
1) The PL has a smaller cabinet and looks so much better then the Outlaw as the PL has a very nice piano black gloss finish to it as the Outlaw has the flat black. Since I have this sub in the open ( cant hide it due to the layout ) it looks much better to acomadate the surroundings ( as the wife would agree )

2) I was able to get back what I paid for the Outlaw and save a few dollars ($100 in fact). The Outlaw sub was 3-4yrs old to where the PL is brand new.

Just as a reminder...
This is my experiance with what I have done within the past couple months. By no means am I trying to "down play" any other line (esp. the Outlaw ) and this is just my opinion. I feel the PL has performed excellent for my situation!

Thanks, sort of what I seem to be getting, for me the PL-200 is what I can afford right now. If it is a little loud on music can tone it a little, but all said it should be a upgrade from other options like Polk PSW505 after selling PSW450. HT is my biggest issue, music well classic if you consider classic rock, :-), some new rock, little country, my son likes rap I can stand Tu Pac Dre, and a few as long as the voices flow well with the music, and maybe little bass head from car subs, 2 comp kicker 18s sealed 2,000 watt ported into customer pickup cab, to now economy car with two alpine R 12s ported Rockford 1800 watts. Slight hearing issues from age as well, so thinking PL-200 due Monday will work fine for me anyway, IMHO. I understand even in truck the 18s were sealed, while now 12s are set at factory porting specs not that unhappy with the 12 Rs, other then they do not go as low as a larger woofer will in car aps like old 18s I sold might try 1 square kicker 15" L3 or other not sure, so again thanks to all still learning about home subs amazed one sub can do as much as it does.
post #823 of 1399
So I'm building a second home theater in the basement to complement my main HT which consists of DefTech ProMonitor 1000's, ProCenter 1000 and ProSub 200TL in the living room. I'm going with Polk Monitor speakers, already bought the CS2 and Monitor 30 surrounds, just waiting on the Monitor 60's to go down in price on Newegg, and looking for a decent sub. Yeah, I know the Monitors aren't going to sound as good as the DefTechs, but they're also good enough for a second HT, and a whole lot cheaper.

Anyway, continuing on the "cheap" theme, I did some research on cheaper subs, and I came across the PL-200. I haven't seen any direct comparisons between this and DefTech subs, so I'm curious if anyone has any insight as to how they compare. I'm looking for something that sounds at least as good as my ProSub 200TL, and I'm willing to spend more than the $275-300 for this if I need to, but I'd rather keep it cheap if I can get comparable sound. Any thoughts?

Thanks!
post #824 of 1399
So far new PL-200 does not work, 888-242-4551 tech help is some chat thing disconnects, so any ideas, tried in and out on crossover have sub out but it did not work just switching out subs so it should of had enough to play as little sub we used once Polk PSW450 was sold Onkyo little 10 bedroom sub.

Update use to go to a adult site after they lost number service can be reach at Questions: Call Toll Free 877-558-4BIC (4242)
post #825 of 1399
Random curiosity, how do you guys have the sub placed. Still trying to find that optimum point for the H200. Right now I have it sitting sideways between the LCR and it sounds phenomenal
post #826 of 1399
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Originally Posted by clwither View Post

Random curiosity, how do you guys have the sub placed. Still trying to find that optimum point for the H200. Right now I have it sitting sideways between the LCR and it sounds phenomenal

I just received my PL-200 last night and put it were the old sub was sitting. It just fits on my subduded. After I get some more time on it I'll do the sub crawl and find where it wants to live.

My old sub was happy behind and to the right of the couch. I don't have a ton of options on placement so given the size of the PL, things could get interesting.
post #827 of 1399
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Originally Posted by pdxfj View Post

I just received my PL-200 last night and put it were the old sub was sitting. It just fits on my subduded. After I get some more time on it I'll do the sub crawl and find where it wants to live.

My old sub was happy behind and to the right of the couch. I don't have a ton of options on placement so given the size of the PL, things could get interesting.

I've actually never done the crawl. Hmm, Definitely gives me an idea for later on.
post #828 of 1399
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Originally Posted by mdwerner6942 View Post

So far new PL-200 does not work, 888-242-4551 tech help is some chat thing disconnects, so any ideas, tried in and out on crossover have sub out but it did not work just switching out subs so it should of had enough to play as little sub we used once Polk PSW450 was sold Onkyo little 10 bedroom sub.

Update use to go to a adult site after they lost number service can be reach at Questions: Call Toll Free 877-558-4BIC (4242)

Quite a few DOA's. Literally has never been like this. We have determined the factory never crimped the negative wire on the amplifier causing it to fall off in shipping.

Problem Solved if you are reading this.
post #829 of 1399
Hey guys, I'm new to the forum. After doing a ton of research I finally settled on the pl-200, largely due to this thread. Thanks guys. Now to the bad news, it finally arrived today, D.O.A. I called Mike at a.s.d., told him what my problem was and before I finished he already had a solution. Apparently he has had many people with the same prob. Something to do with a loose wire. He has scheduled an appointment for UPS to pick up the body and deliver a new one, supposedly three days. We will see, so far the customer service has been impeccable. I will keep you informed of the situation. I have a few questions to run past you guys, typical what to do with my money crap. hopefully you can steer me in the right direction. thanks for all the help so far
post #830 of 1399
Sad to hear a few of the Pl's came D.O.A. ! I just received my 2nd PL that I had ordered from Mike as it works like a champ.

@ Tank... I'm sure Mike will do as promised, as he has always been about customer serice with me anyhow. Hope all goes well.
post #831 of 1399
I hoped as well, but mine seems to be slow in getting going, hoped it shipped this morning 3 days be here by friday, but looks more like maybe next week tuesday, just after all the research just hoping to hear it soon and see what the buzz on them have been in this price range, anticipation sucks though. Guess it will get into shipping Thurs. DOA Tues AM, some body maybe for getting to hook up something. Guess their not tested for operation when assembled which seems a little curious.
post #832 of 1399
I'm in the same boat as you brotha. Mike sent me an email explaining the problem and said some of his customers have fixed it themselves. although it seems like an easy fix I would rather have them do it. I don't want to give any excuse to void the warranty. asd' customer service has been great though, I guess in this situation that's all I can ask. best of luck - Tank
post #833 of 1399
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Originally Posted by Tankramer View Post

I'm in the same boat as you brotha. Mike sent me an email explaining the problem and said some of his customers have fixed it themselves. although it seems like an easy fix I would rather have them do it. I don't want to give any excuse to void the warranty. asd' customer service has been great though, I guess in this situation that's all I can ask. best of luck - Tank

I was just surprised they do not test them to be operation when built. If it works as good as some say for the cost, it will all be good.
post #834 of 1399
So given the $100 difference between the V1220 and the PL-200, is there really that much of a Noticeable difference between the two to justify spending the extra money?
post #835 of 1399
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Originally Posted by sspydy43 View Post

So given the $100 difference between the V1220 and the PL-200, is there really that much of a Noticeable difference between the two to justify spending the extra money?

I own both and in my opinion, the PL-200 sounds more powerful. The V1220 is good but when playing deep bass movies the PL-200 just sounds stronger. I positioned my Pl-200 in the same spot as the V1220 and the sound is NOTICEABLY stronger. As far as the $100 worth? For me yes.
post #836 of 1399
Just a short post here because it's late: I got both of mine and both work. Sub #1 is amazing by itself--placement matters and it's obviously sitting in a sweet spot!--and the second fills in nicely. Once I explore placement options with #2 for a while, I expect it to really add a lot. As it stands, I am absolutely thrilled with my purchase and my decision. For $538, and my big room, I'm just thrilled with how good my system sounds. I can hardly imagine a better sound for the same money.

Watching the Ironhide city transformation scene in Transformers is one of those things that just brings a grin to my face.
post #837 of 1399
I have had this for a few days and really like it. Decided to take a detailed look at the owner's manual coming with it. Found several errors in the "PANEL TOUR":

1) In page 3, right bottom, about the "5. crossover frequency control", it says, "...and 120 Hz. with small mini-speakers. However, the highest it can go is 90 Hz. Then it further says "If you use the SUB IN connector, the RECEIVER TYPE switch must be in the Pro Logic mode...", however, there is no receiver type toggle switch at all (see below).

2) Page 4, it says "7. RECEIVER TYPE TOGGLE SWITCH. You must set this switch to type of the receiver mode you are using. Note: when the switch is set to DIGITAL RECEIVER 5.1, 6.1, 7.1....". As mentioned above, this is not a receiver type switch. It is CROSSOVER out/in switch.

Found a picture of H100, looks like they just copied from H100's manual and didn't change accordingly to match PL200.

Luckily I followed the advice from this thread to set up mine, otherwise it's pretty confusing if you just follow the manual.
post #838 of 1399
LOL... I had read through that as well D-Deal but I guess I didnt pay to much attention to it as I had played with all the setting awhile back on the first PL I had. Good to mention that thou so others dont get a bit confused.
post #839 of 1399
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Originally Posted by AcousticSound View Post

will be delivered on Friday. Same guy as last time. We truly believe he will not make the same mistake 2x but we are waiting till we "see the truck" this time.
There was a price increase from BIC but we are holding the price till 4-15-2011

Best Regards,

Mike Embers

Hi Mike -

Ordered a PL-200 from you on ebay about 6 mos. ago. Thanks for the great price and service. Love the sub-woofer with my system in living room... and was able to move my Polk PSW500 into my master BR.

Subwoofer heaven!

Thanks again

David
post #840 of 1399
+1 for Mike as well
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