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post #3931 of 10509
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Originally Posted by darb215 View Post

I just want to say I use the cnet settings on my 54v. Last night I popped in "push" on dvd and unfortunately it had bars on the top and bottom. I lowered the contrast and brightness below 40ish and the picture popped! I CAN see the difference between blu-ray and dvd's but seriously dvd's do look amazing on this set. The set was solid black in dark scenes with great detail where it needed to be. I think the 100 contrast and 61 brightness for cnet is super high in some cases.

I thought the Cnet settings were way off, at least for my 54V. The brightness level especially was exceedingly high compared to what a test disc showed that it should be.
post #3932 of 10509
-At the risk of getting flammed I will say the TC-P58S1 and TC-P65S1 Just hit nationwide.

-We would think that the TC-P65V10 should be right around the corner.
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post #3933 of 10509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

-At the risk of getting flammed I will say the TC-P58S1 and TC-P65S1 Just hit nationwide.

-We would think that the TC-P65V10 should be right around the corner.

Why would you get flammed for providing information ?
post #3934 of 10509
Quick question, why don't the slides have yellow in the pattern?
post #3935 of 10509
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Why would you get flammed for providing information ?

Because some people are very anal...

This being a V10 Thread and all.

Thanks for the info CP...
post #3936 of 10509
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

-At the risk of getting flammed I will say the TC-P58S1 and TC-P65S1 Just hit nationwide.

-We would think that the TC-P65V10 should be right around the corner.

awesome news cleveland.... I'm going for the 65V10 and any updates/info are greatly appreciated!!!
post #3937 of 10509
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Originally Posted by asacam View Post

.............Having said all that, this set seems the most CRT-like as far as seamless fluid motion. Everything is quite natural and unoffending. The colors are vibrant, not too much,(turned off DCC but left color management on). The picture is crisp. I sit 14 feet away. The reflections are controlled with a little bit of care. Off angle viewing is as good as sitting dead center. I do wish the bezel under glass was thinner, but it is very attractive in an industrial not over the top type of way. SD is OK but there basically is no reason to watch it with a FIOS cable box and BD discs. Standard DVD with an upconverting player is very good also. For the money, I believe this set is currently the best HDTV out there. I think it's great!


I find the statement about the V10 being the most CRT-like quite interesting. There was someone else earlier on that made the same CRT comparison. I have a Pioneer Elite 53" CRT base RP HDTV that is quite amazing. I know there have been many on this forum that say they would never go back after going over to LCD or Plasma HDTVs while there are still die hard CRT fans that say they will keep their sets until they die before buying something else. I've lived with my set since 2000 with having the PQ optimized by professional calibration which really transformed the tv to a reference picture. I haven't been to a store lately to view the G10/V10 sets but did look at 50" - 52" sets about a year or so ago from Toshiba, Sony and Panasonic. I do have a 32" Panasonic LCD that was rated the best but never have been satisfied with the black performance on it even though many said it didn't display black crush or other typical problems with LCDs. I have to disagree having lived with my Elite CRT based HDTV. I just prefer my Elite but have to admit that it isn't fair trying to compare a 32" LCD to a 53" CRT PRTV. I have compared lots of 50" LCDs and Plasmas in stores and tweaking them as much as possible only to not like the PQ as much as my Elite CRT HDTV. I know the colors aren't as vibrant on my Elite but they are very realistic along with giving very good gray and black details plus having a very, very natural film-like appearance. The most important aspect is that movement always looks natural with movement that is real and not jerky. I don't think people pay attention to this aspect as much as trying to get ultimate sharpness.

Basically the Elite I have has never made me feel like I was missing anything even though it can't provide 1080p. I've read many articles that say you would really need to almost have two sets side-by-side to see things in the background that would be slightly clearer on 1080p materials as compared to 1080i.

I guess my point on all this is that it seems to me that LCD / Plasma PQ has not made any great leaps or bounds like I would have thought should have been made by now and actually put the advancement in PQ behind quite a bit compared to CRTs since it was many consumers wanting thinner displays. I actually like the fact that LCD / Plasma HDTVs can be mounted on a wall or put on a much smaller table compared to the size and weight of CRT based TVs. Does anyone out there feel the same as me when it comes to all the LCD / Plasma TV's that can't display blacks or gray scaling like they should along with having banding, buzzing or some other nagging issues. Maybe it won't be until LCD based TV's really become in demand that PQ will be amazing with reference quality grays, blacks, colors and everything else but that will take many, many years to get the price low enough. Until then, I guess I'll go see the G10/V10 to see what I think about the PQ. Oh, the one area that my Elite absolutely excels in is SD PQ. It is amazing and reviewed multiple times as being unmatched. I have a Toshiba HD DVD player, XA2, that is incredible in upconverted PQ since the Elite is able to bring it up to 1080i that looks like HD PQ when the DVD transfer is of high enough quality.

Boy........when will there be a plasma that will give a reference quality picture at a reasonable price and high reliability (no problems)???????? The movement discussed by some on the V10 where Panasonic says it is normal is a joke when another HDTV can display the same scene without the bricks looking like they have movement. I don't see this on my 9 year old CRT based TV.

Maybe I am expecting too much?!.........but I don't think so since this is what AVS is all about.......trying to get the manufacturers to provide the best even though I don't think they really care since it seems they keep pumping out various models without thoroughly testing each one. Example is the fact that it took the V10 to get rid of the flickering problem on the G10 and other earlier models. I believe this problem was indirectly addressed by accident.
post #3938 of 10509
What settings are people using? Cnet? What?

Is it weird that I want to see peoples setups with their v10s? Please post some pics!
post #3939 of 10509
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Originally Posted by Audiotitis View Post

Maybe you could ask other members for a recommendation on D-Nice. If they liked his work. I'm going to guess they did.

For information from owner's about their professional calibrators just check the link at the bottom of my post.
post #3940 of 10509
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Originally Posted by darb215 View Post

Is it weird that I want to see peoples setups with their v10s? Please post some pics!

It's something everyone goes through at some point. Nothing to be ashamed of at all. I'd like to see more setup pics too
post #3941 of 10509
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Originally Posted by dalepm View Post

I made a mock up of the 65V10 out of 1x2's and have set it up in front of where my 50" Panasonic is sitting now. I have a pre-order and I am waiting for shipment.

I did something similar. I laid out flat a cardboard packing boxes and then trimed length and width to the outside dimensions of both the 50V10 and 54V10 and then with a marker outlined the screen dimensions. This has been our HDTVs for the past 2 weeks. This gives us an idea on the size of the TV either the 50 or 54 and how it will fit in. We now have just a Sony 21" CRT.
post #3942 of 10509
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

I find the statement about the V10 being the most CRT-like quite interesting. There was someone else earlier on that made the same CRT comparison. I have a Pioneer Elite 53" CRT base RP HDTV that is quite amazing. I know there have been many on this forum that say they would never go back after going over to LCD or Plasma HDTVs while there are still die hard CRT fans that say they will keep their sets until they die before buying something else. I've lived with my set since 2000 with having the PQ optimized by professional calibration which really transformed the tv to a reference picture. I haven't been to a store lately to view the G10/V10 sets but did look at 50" - 52" sets about a year or so ago from Toshiba, Sony and Panasonic. I do have a 32" Panasonic LCD that was rated the best but never have been satisfied with the black performance on it even though many said it didn't display black crush or other typical problems with LCDs. I have to disagree having lived with my Elite CRT based HDTV. I just prefer my Elite but have to admit that it isn't fair trying to compare a 32" LCD to a 53" CRT PRTV. I have compared lots of 50" LCDs and Plasmas in stores and tweaking them as much as possible only to not like the PQ as much as my Elite CRT HDTV. I know the colors aren't as vibrant on my Elite but they are very realistic along with giving very good gray and black details plus having a very, very natural film-like appearance. The most important aspect is that movement always looks natural with movement that is real and not jerky. I don't think people pay attention to this aspect as much as trying to get ultimate sharpness.

Basically the Elite I have has never made me feel like I was missing anything even though it can't provide 1080p. I've read many articles that say you would really need to almost have two sets side-by-side to see things in the background that would be slightly clearer on 1080p materials as compared to 1080i.

I guess my point on all this is that it seems to me that LCD / Plasma PQ has not made any great leaps or bounds like I would have thought should have been made by now and actually put the advancement in PQ behind quite a bit compared to CRTs since it was many consumers wanting thinner displays. I actually like the fact that LCD / Plasma HDTVs can be mounted on a wall or put on a much smaller table compared to the size and weight of CRT based TVs. Does anyone out there feel the same as me when it comes to all the LCD / Plasma TV's that can't display blacks or gray scaling like they should along with having banding, buzzing or some other nagging issues. Maybe it won't be until LCD based TV's really become in demand that PQ will be amazing with reference quality grays, blacks, colors and everything else but that will take many, many years to get the price low enough. Until then, I guess I'll go see the G10/V10 to see what I think about the PQ. Oh, the one area that my Elite absolutely excels in is SD PQ. It is amazing and reviewed multiple times as being unmatched. I have a Toshiba HD DVD player, XA2, that is incredible in upconverted PQ since the Elite is able to bring it up to 1080i that looks like HD PQ when the DVD transfer is of high enough quality.

Boy........when will there be a plasma that will give a reference quality picture at a reasonable price and high reliability (no problems)???????? The movement discussed by some on the V10 where Panasonic says it is normal is a joke when another HDTV can display the same scene without the bricks looking like they have movement. I don't see this on my 9 year old CRT based TV.

Maybe I am expecting too much?!.........but I don't think so since this is what AVS is all about.......trying to get the manufacturers to provide the best even though I don't think they really care since it seems they keep pumping out various models without thoroughly testing each one. Example is the fact that it took the V10 to get rid of the flickering problem on the G10 and other earlier models. I believe this problem was indirectly addressed by accident.

I agree that the rear projection Elite produces a really great picture (Sisters 710)
I disagree on the SD picture quality and didn't think it was as good as my Sony rear projection set.

But my Sony died and I'm not going back rear projection- my wife said go buy one of those flat panel TV's. So I'll buy a V10 plasma.
post #3943 of 10509
I thank everyone who posts on this and the other forums. Although basically familiar with most HD concepts, I have learned far more than I would have expected.

New 50" V10 was delivered yesterday from national brick and mortar chain. Their delivery service was not as promised and I will visit them later today to discuss. However, the V10 was everything I expected and more.

The V10 replaced a 42" 60 series Panasonic plasma (circa 2006). I have been trying to find a 50" plasma to fit in an enclosed corner cabinet at our condo since 2007. WAF demands that televisions be seen only when in use. This year Pansonic offered a number of entries that would work. My original thoughts were to get either the 50" S1 or G10 model as they seemed to offer everything I needed, followed by professional calibration. However, my wife and I both enjoy movies and have an extensive DVD and Blu-Ray collection and the 96hz feature for 24P movie playback sealed the deal. Also, my wife suggested I get the TV that will keep me happy for the longest time as she is planning on an early retirement at the end of this year.

My first observation of the V10 was there was not a night and day difference in picture quality over the 3 year old 42" Panasonic. The older TV was never professionally calibrated, but was set up using DVE. Color, contrast, black level all appeared quite natural to most who have seen it. Usually the comments would come after watching something for a while and a friend would comment how the colors looked right or how deep the picture looked. The V10 did look almost this natural out of the box. I watched some hig-def channels yesterday and all looked very good on the "Standard" setting. Also switched over to Blu-Ray and changed to the THX settings with the 96hz refresh rate. At this, I was knocked out. I had thought that movies had a lot of depth on the old plasma, but nothing like this. We go out to the movies at least 3 or 4 times a month and this is the closest to film I have ever seen in someone's home (glad it's mine). Also, my room is quite bright with 2 (6'x6') windows, an arched skylight above one of the windows, plus the room is right next to our sunroom which is windows all around with another arched skylight. Even on THX there was more than enough light output to make viewing normal with bright sun shining in. I guess the TV sitting slightly inside a cabinet helps some. Also, never noticed reflections during the day or from lamps in the evening. Definitely a huge improvement from the older Panasonic. Television is running the break-in slides overnight and while I am at work. I plan to follow this routine for several weeks before trying the CNET or dNice settings or resorting to DVE.

By the way, out of the box I saw absolutely none of the problem areas as mentioned from many of the earlier posts. And I did have my eyes ready to try to find any flaws. My hope is that this set is a reliable as my previous plasma (soon to take up residence at my son's home) and that I can sit back and enjoy watching.

I have one question, but since this post runs long, will ask it seperately.

Although I have been viewing these posts for the last 6-8 months, this is only my second entry. Trying to follow the old addage of keeping my mouth shut and letting everyone think I'm stupid.
post #3944 of 10509
This really more of a Panasonic question. I tried Panasonic technical support as well as the Plasma Concierge and no one could give me an answer. From other posts, this seems to be the norm.

50" V10 resides in a corner cabinet. Close the doors so all you see is lots of oak and wife is happy. Open the doors, turn on the TV and I'm happy. Did extensive measurements to insure the TV would fit in the cabinet before making the commitment to purchase. Problems in the past with 50" plasmas from Panasonic or Pioneer were height related (max 33.4" inside clearance). Which was why I was ecstatic to see the measurements (and later reviews) on this year's Panasonic models. Every single model would fit. Or so I thought.

My problem is the swivel stand. The stand is almost 16" deep with 8" protruding from the front. If the TV was in the open, I would appreciate this (as well as the swivel) to keep the TV steady. However, in the enclosed cabinet, the TV can neither fall forward or backward. Because of the 8" depth in front of the TV, the sides of the TV touch the side walls of the corner cabinet and approx. 1/2" of the stand protrudes from the front of the cabinet. This means the wife's beautiful doors meet but do not close completely.

Does anyone know if the mounting distances and mounting poles for Panasonic plasma's of the same size is universal? Meaning the stand from a 50" (or 42") S1 would physically allow the V10 to be mounted to it. The cheaper looking square stand that comes with the 50" S1 or X1 models is 1/2" smaller and appears that it does not portrude quite as much as the stand from the V10. In fact, the stands from the 42" models appear (from drawings) to be the same width and the mounting posts appear to be at the same locations. This 42" stand is 2" smaller in depth and would work even better for me.

I actually find it hard to believe that no one at Panasonic could give any accurate information on any of their stands. Also the info is not available (that I could find) from any of the Panasonic web sites including their site for owner's manuals or ordering parts.

Thanks to anyone who might have any knowledge. I took measurements of the mounting distance at home last night but being a man, left them laying on the counter at home this morning. Will possibly post those measurements on the S1 or X1 forum tomorrow and see if anyone there might be considerate enough to measure their stand and let me know if I am in the ballpark.
post #3945 of 10509
I'm reposting this owner's report about his professional calibration here so that other owners will have a chance to read it. It will also be included in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

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Originally Posted by Ordy View Post

I also had Gregg Loewen from Lion AV come out and calibrate my Panasonic 54V10. I am very pleased with the results from Greg's calibration. The V10 has a great picture out of the box but I was amazed at how much better the image looks now. The image is sharper the blacks deeper without losing shadow detail and the colors are richer than before. Greg was very professional and explained everything he was doing. He made sure I understood and he didn't pack up until everything was as close to perfect as possible with the TV. I don't think he likes the V10 remote too much but that's Panasonics fault for switching the buttons around on the new models. I would recommend Greg in a second for anyone considering having their TV calibrated and complete. I say complete because if you don't have a calibration done by a real pro then you are not getting the full experience.

Thanks again Greg.

Chris Simon
post #3946 of 10509
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Originally Posted by drfreeman60 View Post

This really more of a Panasonic question. I tried Panasonic technical support as well as the Plasma Concierge and no one could give me an answer. From other posts, this seems to be the norm.

50" V10 resides in a corner cabinet. Close the doors so all you see is lots of oak and wife is happy. Open the doors, turn on the TV and I'm happy. Did extensive measurements to insure the TV would fit in the cabinet before making the commitment to purchase. Problems in the past with 50" plasmas from Panasonic or Pioneer were height related (max 33.4" inside clearance). Which was why I was ecstatic to see the measurements (and later reviews) on this year's Panasonic models. Every single model would fit. Or so I thought.

My problem is the swivel stand. The stand is almost 16" deep with 8" protruding from the front. If the TV was in the open, I would appreciate this (as well as the swivel) to keep the TV steady. However, in the enclosed cabinet, the TV can neither fall forward or backward. Because of the 8" depth in front of the TV, the sides of the TV touch the side walls of the corner cabinet and approx. 1/2" of the stand protrudes from the front of the cabinet. This means the wife's beautiful doors meet but do not close completely.

Does anyone know if the mounting distances and mounting poles for Panasonic plasma's of the same size is universal? Meaning the stand from a 50" (or 42") S1 would physically allow the V10 to be mounted to it. The cheaper looking square stand that comes with the 50" S1 or X1 models is 1/2" smaller and appears that it does not portrude quite as much as the stand from the V10. In fact, the stands from the 42" models appear (from drawings) to be the same width and the mounting posts appear to be at the same locations. This 42" stand is 2" smaller in depth and would work even better for me.

I actually find it hard to believe that no one at Panasonic could give any accurate information on any of their stands. Also the info is not available (that I could find) from any of the Panasonic web sites including their site for owner's manuals or ordering parts.

Thanks to anyone who might have any knowledge. I took measurements of the mounting distance at home last night but being a man, left them laying on the counter at home this morning. Will possibly post those measurements on the S1 or X1 forum tomorrow and see if anyone there might be considerate enough to measure their stand and let me know if I am in the ballpark.

Why not take the stand off and cut about an inch off the front of the stand. A table or band saw would do the trick and you could retouch the raw plastc with black paint. A little effort could make it a professional job.
post #3947 of 10509
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Originally Posted by citico View Post

Why not take the stand off and cut about an inch off the front of the stand. A table or band saw would do the trick and you could retouch the raw plastc with black paint. A little effort could make it a professional job.

Instead of ruining the stand (and getting negative WAF) I would suggest just reusing the mounting posts and attaching them solidly to the cabinet (through bolts with bracing) - problem solved. This way there's nothing to project either forward or to the rear. It's what I was going to do with my custom entertainment center.
post #3948 of 10509
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Originally Posted by pestocat View Post

I did something similar. I laid out flat a cardboard packing boxes and then trimed length and width to the outside dimensions of both the 50V10 and 54V10 and then with a marker outlined the screen dimensions. This has been our HDTVs for the past 2 weeks. This gives us an idea on the size of the TV either the 50 or 54 and how it will fit in. We now have just a Sony 21" CRT.

Glad I'm not the only one. My wife thought I was crazy at first for cutting out a mock up of a 54" and hanging it on the wall! It really does help you see what it will look like compared to an existing TV (we have a 25" Sony CRT).
post #3949 of 10509
I went to the Magnolia store today to see if they had any V10's and they had the 58" and 65" on display. The 65" was right next to the samsung. I think it was a b860 but it was about the same size as the 65" panny so maybe it was another model. I was in and out in a matter of minutes so I didnt get a chance to really check them out. Standing far back the samsung looked like it had a brighter picture but overall quality on them seemed the same in the two minutes I looked. I didnt check any settings either. I didnt hear any noise coming out of either one of them but it was pretty loud in there with all the tvs on so not a good reference. One thing I did notice was that the samsung was really hot in the middle of the screen on the back top where the fans are. The Panasonic wasn't even warm to the touch. Sorry I wast much help, but only had a couple minutes to check them out. I am just glad the 58" and 65" are finally out. I took a couple pics with my crappy camera phone.

65" panny bezel


Samsung on left, panny on right
post #3950 of 10509
Good Job Otto...

I just saw the 58v10 on sale at EE through the Big River for a bargain.

Says in stock
post #3951 of 10509
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Originally Posted by dalepm View Post

I made a mock up of the 65V10 out of 1x2's and have set it up in front of where my 50" Panasonic is sitting now. I have a pre-order and I am waiting for shipment.

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Originally Posted by Arc3 View Post

Oh crap, for the last 2 weeks, I have my measuring tape pulled and locked to 58" right underneath my 36" CRT...

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Originally Posted by mark12 View Post

Glad I'm not the only one. My wife thought I was crazy at first for cutting out a mock up of a 54" and hanging it on the wall! It really does help you see what it will look like compared to an existing TV (we have a 25" Sony CRT).

Yes the wife thought I was crazy too, but seeing the mock up in place sure helped both of us decide that the 65 was the way to go.

I want my new TV!!
post #3952 of 10509
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Originally Posted by Otto2 View Post

I didnt hear any noise coming out of either one of them but it was pretty loud in there with all the tvs on so not a good reference. One thing I did notice was that the samsung was really hot in the middle of the screen on the back top where the fans are. The Panasonic wasn't even warm to the touch.

Yeah, i noticed teh same in regards to heat. The 860 was blazing red hot, i couldn't keep my hand on the panel in back for more than a second, the front was very warm. THe panny V10 was luke warm front and back. Of course, the Toshiba LCD LED next to them was almost cool to the touch like my crt. The 860 that was up was making alot of noise in back, but too much store noise to decern if there was a beam of buzz being emitted from the front

My buddy is in town so we are gonna hit up the stores tonight and over the weekend and see if I can't just pick one and give it a whirl.
post #3953 of 10509
Thanks for the description of your new V10 in daylight conditions, drfreeman60. I think that might just seal the deal for me in favor of it. Use it in good health, as my mom used to say whenever I got anything new.
post #3954 of 10509
I bought the TC-P50V10 today at a regional B&M chain. Even with sales tax, the price was decent and included delivery and recycling. Will get my new TV next Wednesday and can't wait.

Thanks to all the knowledgeable people who have posted here. I feel pretty good about my decision.

Jim
post #3955 of 10509
Ive been lurking around alot lately, researching like mad, and finally decided to buy the tv today. and wouldnt you know it? By the time i transfered money from one savings acct to the checking, the tv went up !. now i have to sit back and patiently wait for it to drop back in my comfort zone. Some say patience is a virtue, but waiting 2 weeks to buy hurt
post #3956 of 10509
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Originally Posted by senze View Post

Ive been lurking around alot lately, researching like mad, and finally decided to buy the tv today. and wouldnt you know it? By the time i transfered money from one savings acct to the checking, the tv went up !. now i have to sit back and patiently wait for it to drop back in my comfort zone. Some say patience is a virtue, but waiting 2 weeks to buy hurt

That stinks, sorry to hear that.
post #3957 of 10509
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post


I guess my point on all this is that it seems to me that LCD / Plasma PQ has not made any great leaps or bounds like I would have thought should have been made by now and actually put the advancement in PQ behind quite a bit compared to CRTs since it was many consumers wanting thinner displays.

So what it took CRT technology 60 years to accomplish, you expect from PDP technology to do in 10? If you really look at it objectively, PDP technology has surpassed CRT technology from a chronological standpoint.
post #3958 of 10509
To Citico and T. Morris - Thanks - two good ideas. I actually thought I had a brainstorm today. Went to the Brick and Mortar (whose initials rhyme with Best Buy) and received a partial refund due to lousy delivery. They were supposed to unbox the TV - mount on stand - connect to a single a/v component to insure all was working. Instead they sat the box on the living room floor, informed me everything is in the box and that if something didn't work, phone the salesman. Not my first negative experience with BB. But also a number of positives over the years. Main reason for using them is they did meet (within $10) best on-line price, free delivery, 36 months zero interest. Salesman was a class act and removed an extra $45 from the overall bill.

My brainstorm was hoping to find one of the S1 or X1 models hanging from display and see if someone could find the original packing and let me measure the other stand. Two salesmen went to the stockroom and found the boxes but no trace of original stands anywhere. I like the idea of attaching the mounting brackets directly to the cabinet (1" braced plywood). I may instead use a variation of that by painting a nice piece of wood black, varnish to a high gloss and attaching the mounts to that. It would make removing the unit easier and marinally steadier if necessary.

By the way - if you have a cabinet and decide to leave the slides running for an extended time, this sucker gets hot. Hot enough to melt M&M's in a candy dish on a shelf above the TV. After letting everything cool down, let the break-in slides run while taking my wife to dinner with the cabinet doors open. No excessive heat when we returned after two hours. Read the paper while my wife watched "General Hospital". The picture looked gorgeous. Set the eco mode to turn the TV off after three hours of non-activity. Will break-in 3 hours each night and 3 more when I go to work. It should still receive the requisite number of break-in hours in a reasonable amount of time.
post #3959 of 10509
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Originally Posted by dalepm View Post

Yes the wife thought I was crazy too, but seeing the mock up in place sure helped both of us decide that the 65 was the way to go.

I want my new TV!!

Hey guys...good thing the wife did not catch you with a mock up of a blow up doll!!
post #3960 of 10509
Looking thru the owner's manual and specs on the panny site, it appears that the V10's do not have picture-in-picture. Can anyone confirm one way or the other?
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