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I'm gathering that now.

I ordered from the same. As I said, mine was supposed to come last week, and now they are saying this Monday. We shall see...

Run the break-in slides at 50 (half of full) for contrast and brightness and don't worry about anything. I have done this with a pz80u, pz850u, and a V10. Never had any problems. I slept while my tv was breaking in. Never left the house with it on though...just some crazy superstition.

I'm trying to decide between the KRP-500M and a 50V10. What is making you guys choose the Panasonic over the Pioneer, when they are roughly about the same price? Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Not sure about others. For me, I did not get a chance to compare it. The only review/shootout was done by TweakTV. And they used the THX mode which none of us use. Granted the THX mode was calibrated which would make it much better than our THX. However, since consumers were rating it, there is a chance they would not warm up to THX since it is dim. A better comparison would have been to compare a calibrated custom. If it were only calibrators reviewing the shootout, it would have been ok.

The KRP comes as just a monitor. I did not think (guess) it was that much better than the Panny. Maybe not better in some areas. I had no intention of running the Home theatre just to see TV. People who have seen both will be able to provide a better input.

Does the KRP-500M have a built-in over the air digital tuner? I'm a big fan of over the air broadcast HD content on my 54V10. I use several HD shows as reference source content when I evaluate the various picture modes. I use the Vieracast to watch Mad Men but the buffering is very distracting. Let us know what you decide and why. good luck!

I use the THX mode a lot. It provides the best picture the 65V10 is capable of. The difference may be that I did have my set professionally calibrated for both THX and Custom. THX set for night and Custom for day, but the calibrated THX still looks great during the day. After calibration my THX "correlated color temperature" is 6499, delta E is 2.23, lower than the eye can discern. My viewing room has several north facing windows and I can still enjoy the THX mode in the daytime. For critical viewing THX is a must for me. I can't tell you how much we are enjoying this TV.

I have seen some Blu-Ray content on my unit, when it was calibrated the technician did a Blu-Ray demo for me during which he explained what to look for to evaluate the performance. It is absolutely stunning. I went to play the first Blu-Ray this week-end and since it was letter-boxed I decided to hold off until I get over 150 hours in. I am also waiting to hear more than a few minutes HD def sound is since I added a Pio SC-25 to my system at the same time.

While I normally watch Dish Satellite programming I also have added a terrestrial antenna and you are right, the picture is almost 3D.

Know what you mean. I have been waiting on my 65" V10 for 5 weeks. Placed the order 5 weeks ago at one of the top electronic retailers and still have not received it. I have been told twice now they would be coming in and I would get one. But no luck, this does not seem likely to improve anytime soon. May as well quit reading about it until I get it.

At the insanely cheap price of a 500m I would feel the same as you do. Im not downing the V10 like most will prolly say I am again but I dont care with the 500m you would have technology that no other company will be catching up to or putting into their TV's for at least another 2-3 years

To me, since i previously owned a KURO, Panasonic will most likely not be putting the Pio techs into any of their upcoming TV's, and if they do they will do it over a period of years. So with that said I cant fully say Pioneer is dead, they are only out the business but the TV"s that are still around you will be getting another 2-3 years of "better" technology in those TV's than in the current techs of the Panny's. Im sure the V10 is a great set but its hard to say that this product comes close when they have less tech than a Pioneer plasma that is no longer made. You are right Pioneer knew what they were doing but they also knew that TV's such as the 500m (which possibly has some of the 10g tech that was going to be used on the Pioneer 10g product which obviously wont be coming out now) would out do any other TV's becasue they are basically future proof for another 2-3 years and Im sure by then something will finally come out by either Panny or someone else that can be considered a Pioneer Killer but until then i dont think any technology out there can beat Pioneers left behind techs rite now. And btw I am highly planning on buying a V10 soon if the PIoneers are all gone as I do hear and see great things about them. Id also like to save some money so Panny is right up there for me but if the 500m is still around and for the same or cheaper price then i will be getting that.

Well I think in the end that you need to be happy with your purchase. If you believe that the Pioneer has superior technology then of course you should get it otherwise you will always lament that you could have had a V8. As for my point of view I believe that Panasonic V series is state of the art. How you make something is as important sometimes as what goes into it. Design for manufacturability is critical in todays environment. I have to assume that as popular as Pioneer TVs were they were too high priced to generate the volume that Pioneer needed to sustain the business. When you think about it, in design you must consider all aspects. It does no one any good to have the best product that no one can manufacturer or manufacturer at a resonable cost. Look at what Panasonic did in one product cycle from 2008 to 2009. Their TVs became homeruns. Now I consider that less an accident and more of purposeful effort. So from a technological standpoint Panasonic may in fact have more horsepower than Pioneer. You cannot just look at what goes into the product but how it is manufactured etcetera. In one year panasonic dropped how many pounds from their 65 inch TV. About 40lbs. That is hard to do and generally requires great expertise. They have also reduced the thickness of the panels as well. Many people believe Pioneer has the best blacks. From my point of view what good is a black if I cannot see the details. Show me a black jacket and in real life I can see the folds or drape of the jacket as it is worn. With Pioneer I would see a very black jacket. With the Panasonic I would see a less black (I still saw it as black not gray) jacket and I would see the drape or details. That is what is important to me the details. So Pioneer can keep the deep blacks and I can have my details.

I believe that Panasonic is passing Pioneer in technology and performance. I don't think we will have to wait too long for a consensus on that. I could have easily afforded either the Pioneer or the Panasonic so price was not a determining factor.

In the end you have to live with it. This technology changes so quickly that I bet within another 3 years most of us with our V series will be trying to figure out how to unload the set and get their newest creation. So thank goodness for Panasonic

Manny

I think so, yes. The point is to age the phosphors -- move them down their aging curves, quickly and uniformly. The point of using the "slides" is uniformity, getting the same aging all across the panel, corner to corner. This is a very good thing to do IMHO.

Likewise stressing the power supplies and all the electronics is a good idea. If anything is going to fail, it will fail early on (see the bathtub curve). Stressing the electronics will just make any pending failures happen a little sooner. But not stressing the electronics won't prevent the pending failure -- the part will still fail.

Just so everyone understands why I talk so highly about Pioneer products is becasue of posts like this. At 100 hours i was playing video games and letter box movies all day without having any single bit of IR or anything like that so it starts to become obvious that Panasonics tech is not as good as Pioneers in the IR department. Hopefully that problem doesnt persist after 200 hours or so cause I hear great things about this TV and will most likely get it but not with posts like that...that just scares me away.

Thank you for responding so professionally. Everyone else would of bashed me. But anyway I wasnt trying to say Panny was bad or anything like that cause from this thread they seem to be great plasma sets. But the reason I mention Pioneer is becasue I owned one and never experienced any of the problems on here that people talk about with their Pannys. Such as IR after 100 hours, flicker, etc. Thats why I say the Pio tech is more advanced because they obviously do something with their tech that is better cause I have never once experienced IR, and if I did it was no more than 10-20 seconds, not a 30-40 minute challenge or 2 day challenege to get rid of IR and have a heart attack. I was playing letter box movies at like 50 hours with no problems at all. Maybe Pioneer just has a better orbiter tech and it has nothing to do with anything else. But anyway Pannys have made HUGE strides in every aspect and its nice to see that a company propells for their customers at all costs not just in design. And thats comforting to me because Panny obviously stands by their product and does what they can to update them.

Thanks for the heads up. Do you by chance have a link to the thread? What is the max my brightness can be set at before the lights appear?

Just curious.

Does anyone know, as in they've actually checked to see, that they have an absolutely clean V10 with 100% working red green and blue subpixels?

It seems from all the ones I've seen or heard of that there are a least one or two to be expected. Took the slides into the display model at Magnolia and saw 2 dead subpixels, one green and one red, on the display model. I'd say they were invisible unless you were looking for them at 6 feet, and invisible even if you were looking for them at 7 feet (my eyes are very slightly worse than 20/20, pretty average I'd guess).

Just trying to decide whether or not to go through the hassle of an exchange if another 58V10 might have IR or clouding problems but zero dead subpixels. Because other than the one subpixel on a green slide it's absolutely amazing.

Is it still safe to run the slides in vivid mode and contrast at 100?

Why do u put the contrast down to 50? Doesn't that diminish the point of the slides?

Greetings from the UK!!

I have had a 65v10 on order for over a couple of months now, just been told that Panasonic have now shipped the first 10 of these into the UK, so should finally have mine within the next two weeks!!

Just hope it has no problems, I don't think I could wait until January/February until the next batch are shipped!!

Jason

I chose not to run the break in slides not because of any problems, just because we wanted to watch TV. I was careful to keep the screen in zoom mode if any of the pictures showed up letter boxed. Other than that I used one of my old video user calibration disc's to set the contrast, brightness, color, tint, and sharpness. That brought the contrast down from about 100 to about 70. From there we just watched TV. I did run some blu-ray movies and a couple were letter boxed. However, I never saw any signs of image retention, or burn in. These TVs have improved a lot over the years.

We waited until the set had approximately 300 hours for actual calibration (Recommended by Best Buy ISF Certified Tech). I would strongly recommend that if you are spending several large that you consider having your set calibrated for gray scale. It does add to the general enjoyment of the set. If you shop around you can probably get a good deal on calibration. It goes a long ways toward bringing the TV viewing closer to what the directors intended for you to see.

It is like anything in life, consider moderation. If you purchased a new high performance car you would not use launch control in the first several hundred miles.

I cannot believe how lucky I was to have ordered my set and have it shipped in one week.

If I had a complaint it is that the TV did not come with a universal remote. Having said that, I realize even if it had it would probably not have performed to my expectations. My next addition is the new Direct TV Tivo unit that is scheduled sometime next year. Isn't this fun?

Well here it is, Monday, and I hadn't received a call back yet. I was promised call back within 24 hours last Wednesday. So I decided to call and see why I hadn't been contacted yet. Yet even more bs from Panny....

When I got a rep on the phone, he tells me that the Field Service rep simply called the repair shop and said, please don't transport the television on its face, and never bothered to contact me at all. I SPECIFICALLY told the last guy that I will NOT be letting this company take my television regardless of what anyone from Panny says to them. I said that I wanted to be contacted directly, yet the field service rep went behind my back AGAIN and contacted the repair shop instead of the customer.

I'm furious because once again they didn't do as I requested, didn't consult me, and told the repair shop to go ahead with the pickup. They said that the shop had the part in stock, to which I said..."I never authorized them to order anything, especially since they never even looked at the television. I've been saying since day one that I will not allow this company to work on my television, yet Panny keeps telling them to order parts and schedule pickups. Now these guys think they're coming to pick up my tv tomorrow and I'm not letting it happen. I told the rep that this should have been handled last week, but now I have to call and speak to this repair guy again to tell him AGAIN that he is not taking my television.

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Panasonic is being horrible about the whole thing. They don't call me back and keep reassuring this shop that everything is on schedule. I'm ready to threaten legal action at this point, because it's turning into harassment. I already told them I'd rather keep my defective set than let this company touch it. I said I'm more than happy to take a replacement or a credit toward next years line..but I'm not seeking a refund at all. Yet they still will offer no recourse, even with this having been over a month in the making.

Also it normal to hear a slight buzz when using the break-in-slides and the colour is bright? I only hear slight buzz when using slides other then that no buzz? Makes me want to stop using the slides.

Also when watching blue ray movies when the credits come on at the end the words going up on the screen are not moving smooth they are jumpy for lack of better words, is this normal?

I agree with manny on this one. this set has been perfect for me. can not wait until COD4 2 comes out tom. I never use break in slides either.. to me there only use is to get your ISF calibration faster thats it. It will make sure that the calibration will stick by aging phosphers. I used some settings on here for custom and use THX. I have played video game, played HD Tv, and watched blu rays since I have bought the tv. No problems at all. I have seen some images stick for a bit but they go away. ENJOY YOUR TV..

I can confirm that I am lucky enough to have a fully clean 65V10. I played through Evangelo's 120 break-in slide show and checked the entire screen. No dead or stuck pixels or sub-pixels. I also had no issues mentioned in numerous posts, no green slime, no IR issues, no clouding, or anything else to be concerned about. The build date for my panel is Aug 09 and I am loving every second of it. BTW, I did not use the slides for breaking in my panel. I did download them before I received unit and have used them to test, but not to break-in. Heck man, it's a TV, that's what I use it for.

deathrattlehead,

Can you let you TV be "serviced" by your local tech that you do not trust on the condition if you do not find the repair to be acceptable Panasonic will replace your set?

Panasonic *may* have a policy that the TV must be at least repaired once before they will replace it.

Craig

No slides here either. The only time i see IR is when I turn off the TV and its pitch black in my room.

I would be more than happy to let that happen, but Panasonic doesn't cover physical damage caused by the repair tech. It's a sneaky little thing they throw in there which screws you over. If he damages the tv in any way, I have to take him to court. That's why I wanted him to sign the paper acknowledging the condition of the tv at the time of pickup. He refused.

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To those commenting on stuck pixels, running slides, etc.

I have had my set since early August. Almost 1200 hours on the set.

I did run the slides for 3 hours each night when I went to bed and 3 hours each morning when I went to work intermixed with normal television watching being careful to keep the set at full screen during the first 150-200 hours.

There were no stuck pixels on the set when new. No stuck pixels now. I have never seen any IR on this set or on my previous Panasonic 42px60u. Never did any break-in whatsoever with the 60u, just watched full screen for about the first two weeks.

I have had zero problems with the V10 and it delivers the best picture I have ever had in my home.

The set is used for OTA sports / all sorts of cable-DVR / Blu-Ray and DVD movies. If there is a problem or anything that does not measure up, I have been unable to find it.

I watch from 10-12 feet away most of the time. Occasionally from as close as five or six feet from the floor so quite off angle.

I do not believe that most of the users reporting problems are dreaming or being overly picky. I do believe that the units with problems represent an insignificant percentage of the overall units sold.

If you have ever done statistical analysis, you would know that most users would never search the internet to find critical analysis of any purchase. Most average users would certainly not find their way to this forum. My guess is this forum represents an extremely small percentage of owners. And of the posters to this forum, only a small percentage have noted any type of problem. Also, since the posters to this forum have a greater understanding of what they were looking for initially as well as the technology, they probably have a more critical eye than the average consumer.

Also, when comparing to Pioneer, remember that various Pioneer models have been noted for numerous problems. Review some of their forums. I still believe the most recent generation of Pioneer panels to have the best picture I have seen. I selected the V10 over the Pioneer due to worries over continued customer support as Pioneer has other financial problems besides the Plasma division that was not making money for them. That does not diminish in any way their product.

If you have a V10 (or G10 or S1 or Pioneer) and you do not notice anything wrong, don't go out of your way looking for it as it is quite easy to convince yourself that something is wrong when it isn't. If you do find something wrong, handle first with your seller and if you can not get resolution there, then with the manufacturer.

Panasonic and Pioneer both have the highest reliability ratings according to Consumer Reports (between 1% and 2% are reported to having problems). While their surveys are unscientific, the do cover many more consumers and total units, I believe, than the AVS Forum. And just in case anyone on this forum takes offense at the last remark, that was not a condemnation of this forum (I personally love it), but just a realistic guess at the number of people who view it.