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post #91 of 179
I had the B7000 for a short period of time but just like my last Pana V10 I have returned it because of trailing (phosphor trailing on Pana V10).

Has anyone been able to eliminate the trailing on B7000/B6000 with calibration?

This review has a short video of the trailing on B7000. I experienced the same: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1241084220
I tried their settings by the way. Very nice (besides the fact that I still found it to have too much trailing).
post #92 of 179
I have a 40 inch B7000 being delivered (hopefully) Friday for my home office. I know the B650/750 is supposed to offer slightly better PQ, but this is not my primary display and form won over function this time. The outstanding price I was offered didn't hurt either. I have access to some professional calibration equipment, so I'm sure I will be able to dial in a very good image. I will post my settings when I am satisfied with the results so others can compare them with their own settings.
post #93 of 179
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Originally Posted by patrickjack View Post

I had the B7000 for a short period of time but just like my last Pana V10 I have returned it because of trailing (phosphor trailing on Pana V10).

Has anyone been able to eliminate the trailing on B7000/B6000 with calibration?

This review has a short video of the trailing on B7000. I experienced the same: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1241084220
I tried their settings by the way. Very nice (besides the fact that I still found it to have too much trailing).

I have a hunch that most people have the back light set too high. You should really only need 3 or 4. depending on the media you are viewing.
post #94 of 179
Does this actually work? and anyone has a setting for this mode? thanks
post #95 of 179
I purchased a 32 inch B6000. As others, I have noticed significant black crush, esp in dark scenes (I cannot notice any detail in the dark parts). I also notice a bluish halo/tinge where white should be at certain times.

I have tried numerous changes to the settings, based on recommendations on CNET and this forum. They do not help.

Would a professional calibration help or are these problems inherent in the B6000?

I am thinking of returning this and getting a Samsung B650.

Thanks for your help.
post #96 of 179
I forgot to also inquire whether the black crush and occasional bluish tinge problems might be related instead to source and nature of connections as opposed to problems inherent in the B6000. I have regular DirecTV service, not HD, and I am running composite cables from the DirectTV receiver unit to the TV. If I upgraded to HD DirectTV and used the proper cables, would that eliminate these problems or significantly reduce them? Thanks
post #97 of 179
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Originally Posted by VillageBoca View Post

I purchased a 32 inch B6000. As others, I have noticed significant black crush, esp in dark scenes (I cannot notice any detail in the dark parts). I also notice a bluish halo/tinge where white should be at certain times.

I have tried numerous changes to the settings, based on recommendations on CNET and this forum. They do not help.

Would a professional calibration help or are these problems inherent in the B6000?

I am thinking of returning this and getting a Samsung B650.

Thanks for your help.

There is no one size fits all solution to calibrating TVs. Panels are not identical and each panel will behave differently based on environment. The fact that you have "black crush" and "blue whites" tells me you need to revisit the basics of TV calibration. Your contrast and brightness are off.
post #98 of 179
pclark24 -- I know you posted a question, waaay back, on input selection. It's the button between the Volume & Channel select controls (just above the "Mute" button).

I just got my UN32B6000VF yesterday. I found this thread after doing a lot of searching (I still haven't found the "Owners" thread, it must be buried deeper inio this Forum).

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Double Exposure -- Thanks for your effort at posting some calibration help. It would be nice if you also posted what calibration discs you used (it sounds like you did mostly an eyeball & memory adjustments - Ok if you have a lot of experience).

One thing that was not stressed was the use of the "Blue Mode". This control is supposed to be used only with a calibration disc and then only to set the Color (Saturation) and Hue (Tint) controls.

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RE: Calibration
Please refer to the Calibration Forum for details on how to preform calibration (see the "Sticky" threads for references).

There are 2 "best" sources for Blu-Ray calibration discs. The cheapest (free) is the "AVS HD 709" disc: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496. All of the details are in Post #1. You do need to have a DVD burner in your PC to burn your own copy (on a standard DVD-R, but it will only play in a BD player - there is also a HD-DVD version).

The Second is the Spear & Munsil disc: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131344 (if you haven't purchased the Oppo BDP-83 BD player - which includes that disc).

FOURSCOMPANY4 -- Yes the Spears & Munsil disc is better (IMHO) than the DVE HD Basics. However, either will do the job if you are not using just your eyeballs as your measurement instruments. The Spears & Munsil disc has better test patterns.

NOTE: There is no difference in the gray-scale calibration between the SD calibration discs and the BD versions. Those specifications are identical. However, there is a difference in the color settings between the two (SD-DVDs use the Rec. 601 standard and Blu-Ray DVDs use the Rec. 709 standard, and they are not the same. Your color calibration will depend on how well your system (player, AVR, & Display, and anything else in the signal chain) handles the translation between these two standards when watching in the HD modes (720p, 1080i, 1080p).

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VillageBoca -- It sounds like you made all of the wrong adjustments (or you got a defective set). I have that same model and it puts out an excellent picture, even without calibration. You should Reset all of your adjustments (there is a menu item that does just that).

Right now I have everything set to defaults except I run the "Standard" picture mode suring the daytime and the "Movie" mode at night. I reset the Back-Light to 4 (default was 5 in the Standard mode and 7 in the Movie mode). I have done no other adjustments until I get a chance to run one of my calibration discs.

As Vermifuge said, "one size does not fit all". But you should not use the CNET settings (IMHO), and just doing random tweaking without knowing what you are doing will just make it worse.
post #99 of 179
I realize D-nice is a plasma guy but is there a universal D-nice-like settings for the B6000 series? His settings work perfectly for my Pio 5020. I need reference settings similar to his for the 32B6000 before I purchase.

Thanks.
post #100 of 179
I have the UN55B8000 Set. My set is in a very large room that is flooded with light all day long. I live in South Florida and the room has an entire wall of sliding glass doors and then many windows behind the seating area. So, high room ambient lighting, was a major concern during calibration. I have posted my calibration results in the 8000 Calibration thread. Here is a link to that thread. I used the Oppo BluRay Calibration Disk to set the basics, then tweaked various settings to overcome the room lighting. I hope these settings help.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16942490

Regards,
Adamg
post #101 of 179
Adamg (Ret-Navy) -- FYI (for you and others in this thread), the "Oppo calibration disc" is the Spears & Munsil disc that was mentioned earlier. It is included with the purchase of every BD-83 player.
post #102 of 179
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

Adamg (Ret-Navy) -- FYI (for you and others in this thread), the "Oppo calibration disc" is the Spears & Munsil disc that was mentioned earlier. It is included with the purchase of every BD-83 player.

Thank you.
post #103 of 179
I just received my 40B7000 today for my home office, and even though it has a nice picture, I'm not overly impressed. I think it all has to do with the settings though.

My source is digital cable hd via component video cables. I've been told that using component cables with a Motorola HD box is actually better than using HDMI, not sure if that's true or not though.

Anyway, the blacks *are* very nice, but the overall pq I'm just not happy with. First of all, while watching sports and action movies motion blur gets pretty bad so I have to turn on AMP to get rid of it, but then when I switch over to a regular movie without lots of fast movement it looks stupid and unnatural. I am finding AMP to be quite finicky to say the least.

Anyway, I compare everything to my HL61A750 that, in my opinion, just blows away any LCD I've ever seen, including this one. No, it doesn't have the black levels but I find it has a more natural film look when watching movies, and motion blur is just non-existent. Now, that being said, it didn't look good at all until I found the correct settings which were posted by a member here that painstakingly tweaked his tv using all kinds of professional calibration equipment. I changed the settings to his recommendations in the service menu, and wow, what a difference. It really woke that tv up!

I'm wondering if anyone has done anything like this with the B7000's yet? I've played around with the cnet settings, and they're probably great for a BluRay movie, but not for watching regular tv during the day with some glare, I find the picture to look washed out and dimm.

After tweaking the settings some more I am at point where I can live it, but I was really hoping to have a much better picture. It just doesn't "pop" like I thought it would.
post #104 of 179
I just bought 2 47B7000 and a 55B8000 to replace my HOT energy draining Plasmas ....
post #105 of 179
I'm sorry I didn't look hard enough. but could someone please post how to disable the auto dimming function that's inside the service menu again?? the auto dimming in dark scene really driving me nut....!!

thanks in advance guys!!
post #106 of 179
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Originally Posted by landshark1 View Post

I'm sorry I didn't look hard enough. but could someone please post how to disable the auto dimming function that's inside the service menu again?? the auto dimming in dark scene really driving me nut....!!

thanks in advance guys!!

nevermind, got it!
post #107 of 179
any new settings out there????? post your settings please
post #108 of 179
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Originally Posted by benca1 View Post

any new settings out there????? post your settings please

here's mine. I only use this TV for regular TV watching during daytime or with bright ambient light at night, I mainly watch movies in the HT. but I did watch a movie or two on it tho. so, it might not be the best movie viewing setting in a dark room for most, but still pretty decent PQ. also, I use DVE Bluray to calibrate the set with some ambient light on.

Mode: Standard
Backlight: 3
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 45
Blacklight: OFF
Dynamic Contrast: OFF
Gamma: 0
Color Space: Auto
Advance & Picture Option:
ColorTone: Normal (only cold or normal in Standard mode)
Digital NR: OFF
AutoMotionPlus: OFF

also, CE Dimming is OFF too in service manual.
post #109 of 179
Does anyone have any updated calibration setting for any of these sets?
post #110 of 179
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Originally Posted by SacredENA View Post

Does anyone have any updated calibration setting for any of these sets?

Funny you should ask.

OK, first the disclaimers. YMMV. This calibration was done on a UN55B6000. These settings may apply to the 7000 since it has the same panel. I would be careful about using these on an 8000 since it has a totally different panel.

Each set is different and I'm not a professional calibrator. However, I followed this excellent guide: http://curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
and I used a sensor, not my eyes. (Eye-One LT < $150.)

After several times through the adjustment process, here are my settings:

Mode: Movie

backlight 4
contrast 92
brightness 48
sharpness 20
color 49
tint G50/R50

Advanced
black tone off
dynamic contrast low
gamma 0

Color Space
R=41
G=59
B=80
Y=41R/47G
C=50/50
M=50/50

White Balance
R-GAIN=48
G-GAIN=22
B-GAIN=23
R-OFFSET=24
G-OFFSET=24
B-OFFSET=21

flesh tone 0
edge enhancement off
xvYCC on

Picture Options
color tone warm2
size 16:9
Digital NR off
HDMI grey out
flim mode auto2
blue mode off
auto motion custom blur 10 judder 3

These settings give a very flat RGB level resulting in a near perfect 6500K grey scale. ftL was about 41 with these settings. DeltaE from IRE 30-100 were from 2.8 to as low as .5. According to the guide linked above, these deltaE numbers are extremely good.

In addition, unlike most HD displays, the Sammy allows you to access the Advanced Color Management (ACM) system in the user menu. That's the Color Space settings above. Default settings showed the set was deficient in green. (This is not the same as green in the grey scale)

The results were a noticeable improvement in color accuracy. But, this unit is not bad out of the box. Warm2 definitely gives you the most accurate grey scale, but as you can see from my settings, red is still much too low (R-Gain) at 80% IRE. Low IRE (30%) is pretty close.

My wife and I both found this calibration to be a bit too dim so I raised the back light to 5 and turned on dynamic contrast to medium. This gave the unit back its "pop" without messing up the color.

For a $150 investment in a sensor and an incredibly useful guide along with free software: http://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre/index_en.php and a free HD test patterns disk: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496 you can get your Samsung to look even better than it already does. As an added bonus, the sensor comes with software that allows you to easily adjust all your computer monitors to get them looking great too.

BTW, for a tech geek like me, this was also unbelievably fun to do, especially given the result.
post #111 of 179
I just got my Samsung UN40B6000 on Friday and have been very happy with it so far.

Thanks for all the advice re: calibration...I'm a total newbie at that aspect. I was actually pretty happy with the settings the way they were set up initially, so I'm still trying to figure out what adjustments make the picture look best. This TV is so much better than the one I had that ANYthing looks awesome at this point!

DGK
post #112 of 179
Can anyone tell me what the benefit of a 240 refresh rate is if you leave the automotion plus off or set to low? Is it still using algorithms to add data that isn't really there or does it just throw up the same image twice as many times?
Thanks
post #113 of 179
To be fair I think I've hypersensitized myself to fast motion blur on lcds. I'm a very perceptive person with fast reflexes and that is tied in with my eyesight. I've viewed several other LCD's this week in people's homes and at other non-store locales including a few toshiba regza's, a sony a4000 series, and my own LCD computer monitors and I'm noticing the same glitches on fast movement of hands, face turns, and when the person's whole frame / silhouette moves quickly. I've always been able to see rainbows on DLP's too btw.

In viewing the 240hz version at bb with the 240hz settings turned on I saw the same motion artifacts: a sort of thin, often greyish plasma-ghost-outline (a.k.a. halo) on moving silhouettes/character outlines occasionally if you look closely for it (I was standing only a few feet away from the screen), and occasional digital "blocks/jaggies" on dark legs moving at a quick pace or at a run in the background, (or the kid's dreadlocks spinning with a quick head turn in Day the earth stood still), etc. Considering what i saw there I don't think 240hz vs my 120hz would make much difference in the interpolation, though it might reduce the frequency of the jaggies appearing if that effect is caused by the processing not being fast enough to 'catch' that movement and process it correctly.

I think my 46b7100 looks better when I turn on the blur reduction(to 10) and push the dejudder to 5 - 7. It does produce slight motion artifacts occasionally but the amount of regular blur it "blends" out with the extra frame interpolation throughout the whole viewing time is worth it to me. If I turn the dejudder up too high it seems to make the jaggies too frequent so I'm trying to find a good balance. Perhaps further updates will help with the digital blocks/jaggies in the future though if they develop some better code.
post #114 of 179
Any updates to the calibration. I would love to see some professional calibrations. Thank you.
post #115 of 179
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

I would have liked to see this stay in the owner's thread, I don't know why we always split calibration from owner's threads here.

See, this kinda makes it more efficient for a "new owner" in late Oct. to find the information they need. Ironically, doing a search for the model number showed this result long before I was willing to keep sifting for the "owners" thread. I Came across lots of hits for an owners thread of a near model and the calibrations was NOWHERE near the first post. Indicating the person who decided to post an "official" thread is not doing a very good job of maintaining his/her thread.

To be honest, I'm surprised sub-forums like this are not subdivided by manufactuer yet.
post #116 of 179
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Originally Posted by JagMag View Post

Any updates to the calibration. I would love to see some professional calibrations. Thank you.

I would love to see some PS3 & Xbox 360 settings too!!!
post #117 of 179
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Originally Posted by notebook_gamer View Post

I would love to see some PS3 & Xbox 360 settings too!!!

Using game mode not only helps reduce input lag, it also produces optimal settings for gaming, IMO. Using any of the four picture presets results in a picture that is much too dark. Game mode seems to get everything tweaked just about right for gaming. You might need to make a couple of other small adjustments, but I doubt it.

Long story short: You don't really need settings for gaming. Once you initiate game mode, the picture adjustment options shrink drastically ... and the default settings are more than optimal. Only drawback is turning game mode on and off, which is a pain.
post #118 of 179
wow even though it's not everyone's preferred setting, but watching the Tinkerbell Blu-ray disc on Dynamic (factory settings) is purty mind blowing heheheee ....
post #119 of 179
Hi,
I just purchased the 55" 7000 series a few days ago. Just couldn't find any info neither on the manual nor Samsung website about QAM.

I went to Samsung Plasma website, and it clearly indicated of QAM there for the plasma.

Can anyone verify that this set doesn't have QAM? Thanks in advance
post #120 of 179
Thought I would post my settings for the 46" 8000series. Any feedback appreciated. My 360 seems to have studdering issues unless I am in game mode so I calibrated on my PS3 using color bars cal. Then convered setting to 360 and looks great. I compared this cal vs. the CNET cal and they are very close but the CNET cal has a slight haze as mine doesn't. My only issue to get perfect is my white balance I think. These settings are for both PS3 and Xbox360. I also use these settings for over the air TV and football games look spectacular!

mode: standard
backlight: 5
contrast: 75
brightness: 55
sharp: 0
color: 50
tint: 50/50

blacktone: off
dyn contrast: off
gamma: 0
color space: custom
red 50, 0, 0
green 0, 50, 0
blue 0, 0, 52
yellow 52, 76, 0
cyan 0, 59, 49
magenta 48, 0, 51
white balance... 15, 13, 10, 25, 23, 20
flesh tone: 0
edge enhancement: 0n

color tone: normal
size: screen fit or 16:9
DNR: off
HDMI: low

Game MODE: on (for xbox360 due to video studdering issues... not sure why xbox does this but PS3 is OK)

Add: for TV viewing/sporting events
Automotion 240Hz: Custom
Blur= 10
Judder= 0

Latest Firmware: 001017

CE Dimming turned OFF for standard in service menu
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